stop whining about voter ID requirements

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:You need ID to cash a check.
You need ID to buy alcohol.
You need ID to buy tobacco.
You need ID to buy a gun.
You need ID to get into many govt buildings.
You need ID to get onto secure federal property.
You need ID to rent or buy an apartment or home.
You need ID to get on a plane.
You need ID to get a library card.
You need ID to buy a fishing license.
You need ID to open a bank account.
You need ID to receive govt benefits like WIC and EBT.
You need ID to apply for a job.
You need ID to buy or rent a car.
You need ID to go into any school building in the country.
You need ID to get medical treatment.
You need ID to apply to colleges.
You need ID to get into a many bars/clubs.
You need ID to get into many community centers / pools


But voting doesn’t require an ID.




If you oppose a law requiring showing an ID in order to vote, then you are for voter fraud. There is no other plausible reason.

Voting is a right, not a privilege. Furthermore, where is any evidence that there is even voter fraud to begin with? This is just a new way to disenfranchise black people.

How many black people don't have a state issued ID? And why can't they get one if they currently don't have one?

So, this is less of a problem than it used to be. But if you think about it, there are black people alive today whose grandparents were enslaved, their parents were illiterate, etc. Having access to documents verifying your identity, like birth certificates, was a real problem. It’s still an issue for some people. It’s not really that easy if you historically haven’t had access to education and other institutions white people take for granted. Someone pointed this out to me years ago and it made sense to me. Maybe it’s not such an issue today but there are still people voting today that didn’t have access to the same banks, schools, hospitals, neighborhoods, etc. than others, under segregation.

Np here. You’re right. So create a task force to identify these people, drive to them, and help them get IDs. Our tax dollars should pay to have tech-savvy people research and find documentation to provide ID, allowing these people to vote, work, etc. We need to make sure all eligible adults are able to vote.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Aren’t IDs needed for medical care? I’m always asked for ID.

You can be treated without it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You need ID to cash a check.
You need ID to buy alcohol.
You need ID to buy tobacco.
You need ID to buy a gun.
You need ID to get into many govt buildings.
You need ID to get onto secure federal property.
You need ID to rent or buy an apartment or home.
You need ID to get on a plane.
You need ID to get a library card.
You need ID to buy a fishing license.
You need ID to open a bank account.
You need ID to receive govt benefits like WIC and EBT.
You need ID to apply for a job.
You need ID to buy or rent a car.
You need ID to go into any school building in the country.
You need ID to get medical treatment.
You need ID to apply to colleges.
You need ID to get into a many bars/clubs.
You need ID to get into many community centers / pools


But voting doesn’t require an ID.




If you oppose a law requiring showing an ID in order to vote, then you are for voter fraud. There is no other plausible reason.

Voting is a right, not a privilege. Furthermore, where is any evidence that there is even voter fraud to begin with? This is just a new way to disenfranchise black people.

How many black people don't have a state issued ID? And why can't they get one if they currently don't have one?

So, this is less of a problem than it used to be. But if you think about it, there are black people alive today whose grandparents were enslaved, their parents were illiterate, etc. Having access to documents verifying your identity, like birth certificates, was a real problem. It’s still an issue for some people. It’s not really that easy if you historically haven’t had access to education and other institutions white people take for granted. Someone pointed this out to me years ago and it made sense to me. Maybe it’s not such an issue today but there are still people voting today that didn’t have access to the same banks, schools, hospitals, neighborhoods, etc. than others, under segregation.

Np here. You’re right. So create a task force to identify these people, drive to them, and help them get IDs. Our tax dollars should pay to have tech-savvy people research and find documentation to provide ID, allowing these people to vote, work, etc. We need to make sure all eligible adults are able to vote.

I completely agree but Republican leaders want voter ID AND refuse to spend the money to make it easy to vote. Same old Jim Crow.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Aren’t IDs needed for medical care? I’m always asked for ID.

You can be treated without it.

Where?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Aren’t IDs needed for medical care? I’m always asked for ID.

You can be treated without it.

Where?

ER

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Aren’t IDs needed for medical care? I’m always asked for ID.

You can be treated without it.

Where?

ER

I've never been able to get any treatment anywhere without showing ID and proof of insurance. Have been to ER with kid or spouse 8 times in my life. Couldn't get ER care for a sibling without hers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Aren’t IDs needed for medical care? I’m always asked for ID.

You can be treated without it.

Where?

ER

I've never been able to get any treatment anywhere without showing ID and proof of insurance. Have been to ER with kid or spouse 8 times in my life. Couldn't get ER care for a sibling without hers.

You just say you don’t have one. They won’t refuse.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Aren’t IDs needed for medical care? I’m always asked for ID.

You can be treated without it.

Where?

ER

I've never been able to get any treatment anywhere without showing ID and proof of insurance. Have been to ER with kid or spouse 8 times in my life. Couldn't get ER care for a sibling without hers.

You just say you don’t have one. They won’t refuse.

Ok. Thx for info.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Have we actually done any studies on how many people intended to vote but were turned away due to lack of ID?

The mobile DMV unit is a great idea. Have one for every say 100k people and have it set up on a regular schedule. Someone in a Black Belt county in Alabama may not be able to get a ride to the regional city 35-45 minutes away but can get a ride to the county seat 10-15 minutes away. Likewise someone in a relatively isolated neighborhood.

The DNC can set up an 800 number and website where people who want to vote can get brought up to snuff. Or hell, make it appear bipartisan - bring in the League of Women Voters, the RNC, and others. It'd give political volunteering types something to do outside of election season. Alternately, set up bureaus in each state. You want voter ID laws? Good, agree to spend $2 million on helping voters get valid ID.

Obtaining an ID valid for voting should be FREE.

Dems refuse to compromise but actively refuse to help voters adjust to the new reality. Why is that? Wedge issues gotta wedge, but I suspect outside the usual Twitter progressive crowd and Bethesda liberal crowd, this dog doesn't hunt, it jsut sits there and laughs at you.

Make the obtaining of an ID easier, then you can impose voter ID requirements. Doing one without the other is suppression. But the GOP won't make getting an ID easier so...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Elections need to _look_ secure, as well as to actually _be_ secure. Many would feel more comfortable in accepting election outcomes if minimal efforts were made to provide for election security. Requiring identification from voters is one such step that could be taken. It makes sense to me.

It is my understanding that very few people do not have some form of government-issued identification. As noted above, it is virtually necessary for one to exist in modern society. That said, we should provide valid voter identification cards for free to those who do not have some other form of government-issued identification and give those people some time to obtain such identification before it is actually required.

What would be the objection to this?

This last election was secure. The only reason people don't think it was is because they believe Trump and the GOP's lies.

Ask the GA GOP who administered the election, they said it was secure.
Ask the AZ GOP who administered the election, they said it was secure.
Ask the UT GOP who administered the election, they said it was secure.

It was only Trump and his sycophants who said otherwise, and people like you believe them, and the GA GOP ad other state GOPs around the country are using it as cover for massive voter suppression.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Have we actually done any studies on how many people intended to vote but were turned away due to lack of ID?

The mobile DMV unit is a great idea. Have one for every say 100k people and have it set up on a regular schedule. Someone in a Black Belt county in Alabama may not be able to get a ride to the regional city 35-45 minutes away but can get a ride to the county seat 10-15 minutes away. Likewise someone in a relatively isolated neighborhood.

The DNC can set up an 800 number and website where people who want to vote can get brought up to snuff. Or hell, make it appear bipartisan - bring in the League of Women Voters, the RNC, and others. It'd give political volunteering types something to do outside of election season. Alternately, set up bureaus in each state. You want voter ID laws? Good, agree to spend $2 million on helping voters get valid ID.

Obtaining an ID valid for voting should be FREE.

Dems refuse to compromise but actively refuse to help voters adjust to the new reality. Why is that? Wedge issues gotta wedge, but I suspect outside the usual Twitter progressive crowd and Bethesda liberal crowd, this dog doesn't hunt, it jsut sits there and laughs at you.

Good luck getting Republicans to fund mobile DMVs. No really good luck! Let us know when you’ve found some GOPers who will sponsor a bill to create them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Elections need to _look_ secure, as well as to actually _be_ secure. Many would feel more comfortable in accepting election outcomes if minimal efforts were made to provide for election security. Requiring identification from voters is one such step that could be taken. It makes sense to me.

It is my understanding that very few people do not have some form of government-issued identification. As noted above, it is virtually necessary for one to exist in modern society. That said, we should provide valid voter identification cards for free to those who do not have some other form of government-issued identification and give those people some time to obtain such identification before it is actually required.

What would be the objection to this?

Because this is political theater. The whole POINT is to stop poor people and the disenfranchised from voting.

That must be why essentially everywhere else on earth you need an ID but in the US it is just -so- hard to get an ID that it can't be managed.

They require an ID to vote in Afghanistan. Think about that.

Think about how insane you sound to normal, functioning people when you say that needing to have an ID is "voter suppression."

And they're not required in the UK, Australia, or Denmark, countries we're much more like than Afghanistan.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Every state has a different law about what counts as ID to vote.

And the FACT is that even an state ID (not drivers license) these days is hard to get. Due to COVID waits in my state for an appointment is 4 months. There are no walk in spots.

People who are poor, or elderly, or disabled will struggle mightily to get them even in though they have the RIGHT to vote.

Beyond the appointment you need the fresh paperwork. Elderly people may no longer have access to a birth certificate at all... they may not have been issued one or their courthouse may have burned down. Disabled people who live in group homes or those in nursing homes don't have the transportation to go apply. They may have had valid IDs at one point, but they have expired.

I have friends in Florida who work with a charity that helps people get IDs. They say you won't believe how hard it can be for some people to be able to locate their paperwork.

The GOP is afraid and evil.

Voting is a right. And they want to take it away from the "wrong" people.

The fact is?

All I can say is that you must have a tough life if you think getting a valid ID is "hard."

What kind of adult doesn't have any valid ID in the 21st century?

OMG, how can educated people be so privileged that they refuse to understand reality! Every American is not an able body, young, educated, not-poor person living in DMV suburb. There are many who do not enjoy the privilege you take granted for!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is the thought that poor folks don’t have IDs?

I think the thought is that people shouldn’t be denied their constitutional right if they don’t have an ID.

A related issue is that voting should be free. Requiring an ID that requires documents that are expensive and possibly difficult or even impossible to obtain should not be a requirement to vote.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Every state has a different law about what counts as ID to vote.

And the FACT is that even an state ID (not drivers license) these days is hard to get. Due to COVID waits in my state for an appointment is 4 months. There are no walk in spots.

People who are poor, or elderly, or disabled will struggle mightily to get them even in though they have the RIGHT to vote.

Beyond the appointment you need the fresh paperwork. Elderly people may no longer have access to a birth certificate at all... they may not have been issued one or their courthouse may have burned down. Disabled people who live in group homes or those in nursing homes don't have the transportation to go apply. They may have had valid IDs at one point, but they have expired.

I have friends in Florida who work with a charity that helps people get IDs. They say you won't believe how hard it can be for some people to be able to locate their paperwork.

The GOP is afraid and evil.

Voting is a right. And they want to take it away from the "wrong" people.

The fact is?

All I can say is that you must have a tough life if you think getting a valid ID is "hard."

What kind of adult doesn't have any valid ID in the 21st century?

OMG, how can educated people be so privileged that they refuse to understand reality! Every American is not an able body, young, educated, not-poor person living in DMV suburb. There are many who do not enjoy the privilege you take granted for!

Which is why we are discussing ways to help people get their documents and IDs.