Yale discriminated against whites and Asians, per Justice Department

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Anonymous wrote:I'm still fascinated that some Asians find comfort in having white supremacists on their side on college admissions. Luckily most of us understand that those who don't want African-Americans in elite colleges would be happy to bring back the Chinese Exclusion Act.

+1. They're just using Asian-Americans here.

Asian American kids are discriminated in college admissions - it is fact.

Lol: You get that saying “it is fact” (sic) doesn’t make it one, right? So the least you could do is throw in some supporting data or something.
Also, showing that there are students with great grades, nice extra curricular activities, and wonderful test scores who don’t get accepted by Yale, or wherever, isn’t saying anything since there are a lot of Valedictorians with good scores who apply.

OP — you’re making a great point.

My guess is that Yale is thrilled to get more students like Maya Lin — who are brilliant, creative individuals, and somewhat less thrilled to get students of any background who don’t stand out from the crowd of hardworking valedictorians who write essays about their over supervised community service projects.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm still fascinated that some Asians find comfort in having white supremacists on their side on college admissions. Luckily most of us understand that those who don't want African-Americans in elite colleges would be happy to bring back the Chinese Exclusion Act.

+1. They're just using Asian-Americans here.

Asian American kids are discriminated in college admissions - it is fact.

Lol: You get that saying “it is fact” (sic) doesn’t make it one, right? So the least you could do is throw in some supporting data or something.
Also, showing that there are students with great grades, nice extra curricular activities, and wonderful test scores who don’t get accepted by Yale, or wherever, isn’t saying anything since there are a lot of Valedictorians with good scores who apply.

OP — you’re making a great point.

My guess is that Yale is thrilled to get more students like Maya Lin — who are brilliant, creative individuals, and somewhat less thrilled to get students of any background who don’t stand out from the crowd of hardworking valedictorians who write essays about their over supervised community service projects.

Talk about racist stereotypes. I’m surprised you didn’t work in the term “Tiger Mom.” This is exactly the type of racist stereotypes that are used against Asians in admissions. “Over supervised,” “not creative,” “no personality.” The fact that you describe Maya Lin as an outlier only makes it worse.

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Anonymous wrote:I went to a NE boarding school for high school with lots of smart, well-qualified kids of all backgrounds.

We used to joke that the Ivy League schools deducted 100 points from the SAT for Asian-American applicants and added 100 points for other minority applicants.

Boarding school? Used to joke? That’s the case for these groups from all schools then and now. And it’s not a joke

Most Asians are discriminated against, yet they earn more than whites do as a group. We should be looking at what they do right.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm still fascinated that some Asians find comfort in having white supremacists on their side on college admissions. Luckily most of us understand that those who don't want African-Americans in elite colleges would be happy to bring back the Chinese Exclusion Act.

+1. They're just using Asian-Americans here.

Asian American kids are discriminated in college admissions - it is fact.

Lol: You get that saying “it is fact” (sic) doesn’t make it one, right? So the least you could do is throw in some supporting data or something.
Also, showing that there are students with great grades, nice extra curricular activities, and wonderful test scores who don’t get accepted by Yale, or wherever, isn’t saying anything since there are a lot of Valedictorians with good scores who apply.

OP — you’re making a great point.

My guess is that Yale is thrilled to get more students like Maya Lin — who are brilliant, creative individuals, and somewhat less thrilled to get students of any background who don’t stand out from the crowd of hardworking valedictorians who write essays about their over supervised community service projects.

I can't believe that anyone still believes that Asians aren't discriminated against in the admissions process. Can you imagine the outrage if AA applicants had to score significantly higher on the SAT than everyone else? They would go insane! You must be a justice warrior type to be in such denial.

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They are not using test scores this year and that could become permanent.

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Anonymous wrote:^^ Also Judge Burroughs should have recused herself since she was the daughter of Harvard grads, applied, but didn’t get in.

How do you know she applied and did not get in? I would think that would go the other way (the she would be biased against Harvard). BTW, she is Jewish and the common comparison for Asian claimants is the way Jewish students were treated many years ago. I would think, again, if she was biased, it would be against Harvard. But I don’t think she is biased. She is a good, honest, hard working judge.

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Anonymous wrote:Everyone knows reverse racism exists. That's why people with 1 drip of black blood pretend to be black.

+1. See e.g. Harris who was raised by her Asian mom since her parents divorced when she was 7, but claimed as African American.

She used affirmative action to get admitted to Howard.

Huh? Howard is a HBCU. How would “affirmative action” help.

Duh! Sarcasm. I get it now.😉

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How is this higher standard being determined? Is it just test scores or is it something else?

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This is the first thread I’ve seen since the BLM movement began which acknowledges the preferential status minorities often get in education. Looking at the stats for admitted students, it’s so obvious that the hierarchy preference is black, Hispanic, white, and Asian last. It’s not fair. I find it ironic that the plaintiffs in the case cite the Civil Rights Act which has historically being used to justify reverse discrimination.

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None of you are looking at the percentage of admitted students vs the percentage of Hite population.

Asians are represented at more than 2X the percentage of the population at Ivies and AA (esp males) at less than the population.

So who is being discriminated against in admissions?

At top LACs and other colleges which have a lower rate of Asian applicants, Asians require lower scores to be admitted and have a higher acceptance rate. The policy of seeking racial balance in admissions works equally for all races overall.

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When a school admits 6% of its applicants, you can’t cry foul about the “qualified” people not getting in. Most of the people who apply probably have perfect or near perfect stats. It’s known that subjective factors like essays, letters of recommendation, activities, and interviews are coming into play when all the applicants have stellar numbers.

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Anonymous wrote:When a school admits 6% of its applicants, you can’t cry foul about the “qualified” people not getting in. Most of the people who apply probably have perfect or near perfect stats. It’s known that subjective factors like essays, letters of recommendation, activities, and interviews are coming into play when all the applicants have stellar numbers.

That’s not true at all. African-American and Latinx students routinely get admitted with test scores hundreds of points lower than their white and Asian peers. There is simply no factual dispute on this issue. It’s obvious discrimination, but the schools are committed to it, so much so that they would rather stop using test scores entirely than give up this practice, which is where things are going.

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Anonymous wrote:Guess my biracial (white & Asian) child had better look to schools other than Ivys.

No, they should just identify as white. They'll still get in.

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Because test scores should not and are not in fact the top criteria to gain admittance.

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Anonymous wrote:Oh, nice. I hope DOJ goes after other schools too. We all knew this right?

Most of us knew, but everyone to the left refused to admit it.

Reminds me of the the people claiming that diversity programs don't discriminate against white people.

Of course they discriminate against white people. That’s the whole point of these programs. This is how schools believe they can achieve equity. As long as discrimination will help achieve that goal, people argue that it is okay to discriminate against White people.

Whites benefit the most from legacy and athletic preferences. I say we get rid of all preferences.