Admitting you are Asian (college apps)

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Anonymous wrote:I think it’s so sad that an Asian kid feels the need to hide identity because of discrimination. I’m white and I’m very empathetic to this. I’m sorry OP.

There is nothing inherently wrong with discrimination. When you choose a salad as your side, you discriminate against the French fries. That isn’t the issue.

I have no problem with colleges that desire a diverse student body effectively putting a cap on how many students of a similar background they will accept.

So you see nothing wrong with Harvard in the old days capping Jewish students to 2%

Nope. That’s about the proportion to society, right?

Right.

Tell me, oh Wise. How about the NFL and NBA? We need 2% Jewish players proportional to society?

And I’m 5’2” white women. I’m discriminated against in NBA.

You're not discriminated against in the WNBA, you will simply fail to meet the requirements. Asian American students do not fail to meet the requirements, they overwhelmingly exceed them.

Most people applying to top institutions are qualified. The act of admissions is inherently discriminatory. That doesn’t make it wrong or illegal.

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Anonymous wrote:This is an old article but still so relevant:

https://nymag.com/news/features/asian-americans-2011-5/

As for the OPs question, there are actually some admissions counsellors who advise their clients not to "appear Asian" in the college application. Play the cello? Don't mention it. Play badmitten? Don't mention it. But others say it's not worth 'gaming' the system and just try to be yourself, highlight what is worth highlighting and not worry about it.

https://www.ivycoach.com/in-the-press/college-admissions-advisors-work-to-make-asian-kids-less-asian/

https://insights.collegeconfidential.com/asian-admissions-angst

Sure there are parents who will twist their kid into a pretzel to get them into a higher ranked school.

And then there are parents who celebrate the children they were blessed with, and try to help them find a school where they will thrive.

Yes. And the schools are tired of pretzels. That’s why they’re starting to not require SATs, because you can train any monkey to take it.

BS.

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Anonymous wrote:To quote a good friend: my child would not want to attend a school where their race is a strike against them.

Also, on interview it will be apparent.

Last but not least, don’t you want your child to be proud of who they are? Dońt teach them to deny their heritage.

For all of these reasons, my child marked Asian on her applications.

(If anything, I think it helped her. She was looking at SLAC’s and many of them struggle with diversity)

I don't think this has anything to do with not being proud of their heritage. It's about avoiding the Asian penalty in schools that in effect have one. Your DD's school clearly didn't have one. Other school in effect do.

But you are literally advising them to pretend, on paper, that they are a different race. You are saying deny who you are. I would never advise my child (who is chinese) to do that. But then again, I put their self esteem over rankings and status.

The thing is that if admissions offices were not hopelessly racist, there would be no need for them to know the applicant's race.

You are hopelessly deaf to the argument that colleges seek diverse communities. Hopelessly.

But then again, you probably think your kid is a failure if they get a B and attend anything but an Ivy league college. We all have our blind spots.

Idiot, when you discriminate against Asian Americans and force them to get higher scores just to get in, it will lead to more high-stats Asians getting into these colleges rather than more 'well-rounded' or lower scoring Asians (that perhaps you kid could compete with).

Employers and grad-schools are not stupid. At this point they have a clear preference for Asian Americans because they've realized that many public state schools have Asian American students that have far more raw intelligence than white kids in the Ivies.

Ultimately it hurts everyone involved, and white American students will be discriminated against in the job market if they are deserving of the spot - simply because the employer realizes they received an undeserved helping hand in getting into college. This already happens with African Americans.

Talking about one racial group having more "raw intelligence" than another is about THE most racist belief you can hold. Game over. You win (for being the world class racist)

Who is saying that one racial group has more raw intelligence than another racial group?

I'm saying employers believe that Asian American kids from public universities have higher raw intelligence than White American kids from Ivies. This is not a difficult concept to understand.

Ivies signal intelligence to some extent.
Usually, a student from an Ivy would be considered to be more intelligent/capable than a student from a public university.

This is no longer true for Asian American students vs. white students. Because the Ivies have discriminated against Asian students, a lot of these students end up going to Berkeley, UCLA, Michigan etc. An employer views the signal of an Asian American from these public universities to be much higher than a white student from the Ivies (especially due to legacy preferences, donor preferences, sports scholarship, etc.)

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Anonymous wrote:To quote a good friend: my child would not want to attend a school where their race is a strike against them.

Also, on interview it will be apparent.

Last but not least, don’t you want your child to be proud of who they are? Dońt teach them to deny their heritage.

For all of these reasons, my child marked Asian on her applications.

(If anything, I think it helped her. She was looking at SLAC’s and many of them struggle with diversity)

I don't think this has anything to do with not being proud of their heritage. It's about avoiding the Asian penalty in schools that in effect have one. Your DD's school clearly didn't have one. Other school in effect do.

But you are literally advising them to pretend, on paper, that they are a different race. You are saying deny who you are. I would never advise my child (who is chinese) to do that. But then again, I put their self esteem over rankings and status.

The thing is that if admissions offices were not hopelessly racist, there would be no need for them to know the applicant's race.

You are hopelessly deaf to the argument that colleges seek diverse communities. Hopelessly.

But then again, you probably think your kid is a failure if they get a B and attend anything but an Ivy league college. We all have our blind spots.

Idiot, when you discriminate against Asian Americans and force them to get higher scores just to get in, it will lead to more high-stats Asians getting into these colleges rather than more 'well-rounded' or lower scoring Asians (that perhaps you kid could compete with).

Employers and grad-schools are not stupid. At this point they have a clear preference for Asian Americans because they've realized that many public state schools have Asian American students that have far more raw intelligence than white kids in the Ivies.

Ultimately it hurts everyone involved, and white American students will be discriminated against in the job market if they are deserving of the spot - simply because the employer realizes they received an undeserved helping hand in getting into college. This already happens with African Americans.

Uh, I am not sure where you learned your American history or where you work. White Americans are not being discriminated against in favor of Asians! I don’t see a ton of Asian CEOs, senators or finance guys ect running America. If your talking about Stem where Asians are mostly employees and not public facing the majority of Asians are not in the high ranking positions. Many are trapped in jobs doing the science/math with few opportunities to lead. Racism is definitely impacting outcomes for Asians just as it impacts outcomes for blacks.

While you may find the system repugnant you need to find a better justification for changing it. All minorities at elite schools underperform wealthy connected white legacies and Asians in particular often reach a firm glass ceiling at middle management. Their skills, education and abilities are often undervalued.

The vast majority of CEO's etc. are white because the vast majority of Americans over the age of 50 are white.

I'm talking at the employee level.

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Anonymous wrote:To quote a good friend: my child would not want to attend a school where their race is a strike against them.

Also, on interview it will be apparent.

Last but not least, don’t you want your child to be proud of who they are? Dońt teach them to deny their heritage.

For all of these reasons, my child marked Asian on her applications.

(If anything, I think it helped her. She was looking at SLAC’s and many of them struggle with diversity)

I don't think this has anything to do with not being proud of their heritage. It's about avoiding the Asian penalty in schools that in effect have one. Your DD's school clearly didn't have one. Other school in effect do.

But you are literally advising them to pretend, on paper, that they are a different race. You are saying deny who you are. I would never advise my child (who is chinese) to do that. But then again, I put their self esteem over rankings and status.

The thing is that if admissions offices were not hopelessly racist, there would be no need for them to know the applicant's race.

You are hopelessly deaf to the argument that colleges seek diverse communities. Hopelessly.

But then again, you probably think your kid is a failure if they get a B and attend anything but an Ivy league college. We all have our blind spots.

Idiot, when you discriminate against Asian Americans and force them to get higher scores just to get in, it will lead to more high-stats Asians getting into these colleges rather than more 'well-rounded' or lower scoring Asians (that perhaps you kid could compete with).

Employers and grad-schools are not stupid. At this point they have a clear preference for Asian Americans because they've realized that many public state schools have Asian American students that have far more raw intelligence than white kids in the Ivies.

Ultimately it hurts everyone involved, and white American students will be discriminated against in the job market if they are deserving of the spot - simply because the employer realizes they received an undeserved helping hand in getting into college. This already happens with African Americans.

Talking about one racial group having more "raw intelligence" than another is about THE most racist belief you can hold. Game over. You win (for being the world class racist)

Who is saying that one racial group has more raw intelligence than another racial group?

I'm saying employers believe that Asian American kids from public universities have higher raw intelligence than White American kids from Ivies. This is not a difficult concept to understand.

Ivies signal intelligence to some extent.
Usually, a student from an Ivy would be considered to be more intelligent/capable than a student from a public university.

This is no longer true for Asian American students vs. white students. Because the Ivies have discriminated against Asian students, a lot of these students end up going to Berkeley, UCLA, Michigan etc. An employer views the signal of an Asian American from these public universities to be much higher than a white student from the Ivies (especially due to legacy preferences, donor preferences, sports scholarship, etc.)

This is why many UC Berkeley and UCLA students do as well as, if not better, than ivy grads.

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Anonymous wrote:To quote a good friend: my child would not want to attend a school where their race is a strike against them.

Also, on interview it will be apparent.

Last but not least, don’t you want your child to be proud of who they are? Dońt teach them to deny their heritage.

For all of these reasons, my child marked Asian on her applications.

(If anything, I think it helped her. She was looking at SLAC’s and many of them struggle with diversity)

I don't think this has anything to do with not being proud of their heritage. It's about avoiding the Asian penalty in schools that in effect have one. Your DD's school clearly didn't have one. Other school in effect do.

But you are literally advising them to pretend, on paper, that they are a different race. You are saying deny who you are. I would never advise my child (who is chinese) to do that. But then again, I put their self esteem over rankings and status.

The thing is that if admissions offices were not hopelessly racist, there would be no need for them to know the applicant's race.

You are hopelessly deaf to the argument that colleges seek diverse communities. Hopelessly.

But then again, you probably think your kid is a failure if they get a B and attend anything but an Ivy league college. We all have our blind spots.

Idiot, when you discriminate against Asian Americans and force them to get higher scores just to get in, it will lead to more high-stats Asians getting into these colleges rather than more 'well-rounded' or lower scoring Asians (that perhaps you kid could compete with).

Employers and grad-schools are not stupid. At this point they have a clear preference for Asian Americans because they've realized that many public state schools have Asian American students that have far more raw intelligence than white kids in the Ivies.

Ultimately it hurts everyone involved, and white American students will be discriminated against in the job market if they are deserving of the spot - simply because the employer realizes they received an undeserved helping hand in getting into college. This already happens with African Americans.

Talking about one racial group having more "raw intelligence" than another is about THE most racist belief you can hold. Game over. You win (for being the world class racist)

Who is saying that one racial group has more raw intelligence than another racial group?

I'm saying employers believe that Asian American kids from public universities have higher raw intelligence than White American kids from Ivies. This is not a difficult concept to understand.

Ivies signal intelligence to some extent.
Usually, a student from an Ivy would be considered to be more intelligent/capable than a student from a public university.

This is no longer true for Asian American students vs. white students. Because the Ivies have discriminated against Asian students, a lot of these students end up going to Berkeley, UCLA, Michigan etc. An employer views the signal of an Asian American from these public universities to be much higher than a white student from the Ivies (especially due to legacy preferences, donor preferences, sports scholarship, etc.)

This is why many UC Berkeley and UCLA students do as well as, if not better, than ivy grads.

The reverse side of this coin is that ivy URMs don’t do all that great.

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Anonymous wrote:My D is Asian. She’s doing fine at an Ivy living her dream.

your dream

Now we know your kids didn’t make it, it’s my kid’s dream.

My kids are in kindergarten. Is it when you started to tell them what their dream is?

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Anonymous wrote:I think it’s so sad that an Asian kid feels the need to hide identity because of discrimination. I’m white and I’m very empathetic to this. I’m sorry OP.

There is nothing inherently wrong with discrimination. When you choose a salad as your side, you discriminate against the French fries. That isn’t the issue.

I have no problem with colleges that desire a diverse student body effectively putting a cap on how many students of a similar background they will accept.

So you see nothing wrong with Harvard in the old days capping Jewish students to 2%

Nope. That’s about the proportion to society, right?

Right.

Tell me, oh Wise. How about the NFL and NBA? We need 2% Jewish players proportional to society?

And I’m 5’2” white women. I’m discriminated against in NBA.

You're not discriminated against in the WNBA, you will simply fail to meet the requirements. Asian American students do not fail to meet the requirements, they overwhelmingly exceed them.

Most people applying to top institutions are qualified. The act of admissions is inherently discriminatory. That doesn’t make it wrong or illegal.

If there is a basketball tryout where a white kid is ripping up the court while an Asian kid is barely making the the minimum, and the coach ends up picking the Asian kid because there are already too many white kids on the team, that's discriminatory.

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Anonymous wrote:To quote a good friend: my child would not want to attend a school where their race is a strike against them.

Also, on interview it will be apparent.

Last but not least, don’t you want your child to be proud of who they are? Dońt teach them to deny their heritage.

For all of these reasons, my child marked Asian on her applications.

(If anything, I think it helped her. She was looking at SLAC’s and many of them struggle with diversity)

I don't think this has anything to do with not being proud of their heritage. It's about avoiding the Asian penalty in schools that in effect have one. Your DD's school clearly didn't have one. Other school in effect do.

But you are literally advising them to pretend, on paper, that they are a different race. You are saying deny who you are. I would never advise my child (who is chinese) to do that. But then again, I put their self esteem over rankings and status.

The thing is that if admissions offices were not hopelessly racist, there would be no need for them to know the applicant's race.

You are hopelessly deaf to the argument that colleges seek diverse communities. Hopelessly.

But then again, you probably think your kid is a failure if they get a B and attend anything but an Ivy league college. We all have our blind spots.

Idiot, when you discriminate against Asian Americans and force them to get higher scores just to get in, it will lead to more high-stats Asians getting into these colleges rather than more 'well-rounded' or lower scoring Asians (that perhaps you kid could compete with).

Employers and grad-schools are not stupid. At this point they have a clear preference for Asian Americans because they've realized that many public state schools have Asian American students that have far more raw intelligence than white kids in the Ivies.

Ultimately it hurts everyone involved, and white American students will be discriminated against in the job market if they are deserving of the spot - simply because the employer realizes they received an undeserved helping hand in getting into college. This already happens with African Americans.

Talking about one racial group having more "raw intelligence" than another is about THE most racist belief you can hold. Game over. You win (for being the world class racist)

Who is saying that one racial group has more raw intelligence than another racial group?

I'm saying employers believe that Asian American kids from public universities have higher raw intelligence than White American kids from Ivies. This is not a difficult concept to understand.

Ivies signal intelligence to some extent.
Usually, a student from an Ivy would be considered to be more intelligent/capable than a student from a public university.

This is no longer true for Asian American students vs. white students. Because the Ivies have discriminated against Asian students, a lot of these students end up going to Berkeley, UCLA, Michigan etc. An employer views the signal of an Asian American from these public universities to be much higher than a white student from the Ivies (especially due to legacy preferences, donor preferences, sports scholarship, etc.)

This is crazy talk. As an employer I would view an Asian applicant good at rote tasks. I consider AA, white, hispanic and Asian to be of equal intelligence. Asians I would consider better at rote tasks.

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Anonymous wrote:To quote a good friend: my child would not want to attend a school where their race is a strike against them.

Also, on interview it will be apparent.

Last but not least, don’t you want your child to be proud of who they are? Dońt teach them to deny their heritage.

For all of these reasons, my child marked Asian on her applications.

(If anything, I think it helped her. She was looking at SLAC’s and many of them struggle with diversity)

I don't think this has anything to do with not being proud of their heritage. It's about avoiding the Asian penalty in schools that in effect have one. Your DD's school clearly didn't have one. Other school in effect do.

But you are literally advising them to pretend, on paper, that they are a different race. You are saying deny who you are. I would never advise my child (who is chinese) to do that. But then again, I put their self esteem over rankings and status.

The thing is that if admissions offices were not hopelessly racist, there would be no need for them to know the applicant's race.

You are hopelessly deaf to the argument that colleges seek diverse communities. Hopelessly.

But then again, you probably think your kid is a failure if they get a B and attend anything but an Ivy league college. We all have our blind spots.

Idiot, when you discriminate against Asian Americans and force them to get higher scores just to get in, it will lead to more high-stats Asians getting into these colleges rather than more 'well-rounded' or lower scoring Asians (that perhaps you kid could compete with).

Employers and grad-schools are not stupid. At this point they have a clear preference for Asian Americans because they've realized that many public state schools have Asian American students that have far more raw intelligence than white kids in the Ivies.

Ultimately it hurts everyone involved, and white American students will be discriminated against in the job market if they are deserving of the spot - simply because the employer realizes they received an undeserved helping hand in getting into college. This already happens with African Americans.

Talking about one racial group having more "raw intelligence" than another is about THE most racist belief you can hold. Game over. You win (for being the world class racist)

Who is saying that one racial group has more raw intelligence than another racial group?

I'm saying employers believe that Asian American kids from public universities have higher raw intelligence than White American kids from Ivies. This is not a difficult concept to understand.

Ivies signal intelligence to some extent.
Usually, a student from an Ivy would be considered to be more intelligent/capable than a student from a public university.

This is no longer true for Asian American students vs. white students. Because the Ivies have discriminated against Asian students, a lot of these students end up going to Berkeley, UCLA, Michigan etc. An employer views the signal of an Asian American from these public universities to be much higher than a white student from the Ivies (especially due to legacy preferences, donor preferences, sports scholarship, etc.)

This is why many UC Berkeley and UCLA students do as well as, if not better, than ivy grads.

The reverse side of this coin is that ivy URMs don’t do all that great.

Due to embedded systemic racism in corporate America!

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Anonymous wrote:My D is Asian. She’s doing fine at an Ivy living her dream.

your dream

Now we know your kids didn’t make it, it’s my kid’s dream.

My kids are in kindergarten. Is it when you started to tell them what their dream is?

If your kids’ dream isn’t your dream also, you are starting off on the wrong foot already. Sounds like you got your kids just by monkeying around.

Your own parents must be disappointed with their own dream dashed.

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Anonymous wrote:To quote a good friend: my child would not want to attend a school where their race is a strike against them.

Also, on interview it will be apparent.

Last but not least, don’t you want your child to be proud of who they are? Dońt teach them to deny their heritage.

For all of these reasons, my child marked Asian on her applications.

(If anything, I think it helped her. She was looking at SLAC’s and many of them struggle with diversity)

I don't think this has anything to do with not being proud of their heritage. It's about avoiding the Asian penalty in schools that in effect have one. Your DD's school clearly didn't have one. Other school in effect do.

But you are literally advising them to pretend, on paper, that they are a different race. You are saying deny who you are. I would never advise my child (who is chinese) to do that. But then again, I put their self esteem over rankings and status.

The thing is that if admissions offices were not hopelessly racist, there would be no need for them to know the applicant's race.

You are hopelessly deaf to the argument that colleges seek diverse communities. Hopelessly.

But then again, you probably think your kid is a failure if they get a B and attend anything but an Ivy league college. We all have our blind spots.

Idiot, when you discriminate against Asian Americans and force them to get higher scores just to get in, it will lead to more high-stats Asians getting into these colleges rather than more 'well-rounded' or lower scoring Asians (that perhaps you kid could compete with).

Employers and grad-schools are not stupid. At this point they have a clear preference for Asian Americans because they've realized that many public state schools have Asian American students that have far more raw intelligence than white kids in the Ivies.

Ultimately it hurts everyone involved, and white American students will be discriminated against in the job market if they are deserving of the spot - simply because the employer realizes they received an undeserved helping hand in getting into college. This already happens with African Americans.

Talking about one racial group having more "raw intelligence" than another is about THE most racist belief you can hold. Game over. You win (for being the world class racist)

Who is saying that one racial group has more raw intelligence than another racial group?

I'm saying employers believe that Asian American kids from public universities have higher raw intelligence than White American kids from Ivies. This is not a difficult concept to understand.

Ivies signal intelligence to some extent.
Usually, a student from an Ivy would be considered to be more intelligent/capable than a student from a public university.

This is no longer true for Asian American students vs. white students. Because the Ivies have discriminated against Asian students, a lot of these students end up going to Berkeley, UCLA, Michigan etc. An employer views the signal of an Asian American from these public universities to be much higher than a white student from the Ivies (especially due to legacy preferences, donor preferences, sports scholarship, etc.)

This is crazy talk. As an employer I would view an Asian applicant good at rote tasks. I consider AA, white, hispanic and Asian to be of equal intelligence. Asians I would consider better at rote tasks.

A bit off topic but this kind of talk is a perfect example of how in the current political climate it is almost taboo to stereotype AA and Hispanics the way Asian stereotypes roll off unnoticed.

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Anonymous wrote:To quote a good friend: my child would not want to attend a school where their race is a strike against them.

Also, on interview it will be apparent.

Last but not least, don’t you want your child to be proud of who they are? Dońt teach them to deny their heritage.

For all of these reasons, my child marked Asian on her applications.

(If anything, I think it helped her. She was looking at SLAC’s and many of them struggle with diversity)

I don't think this has anything to do with not being proud of their heritage. It's about avoiding the Asian penalty in schools that in effect have one. Your DD's school clearly didn't have one. Other school in effect do.

But you are literally advising them to pretend, on paper, that they are a different race. You are saying deny who you are. I would never advise my child (who is chinese) to do that. But then again, I put their self esteem over rankings and status.

The thing is that if admissions offices were not hopelessly racist, there would be no need for them to know the applicant's race.

You are hopelessly deaf to the argument that colleges seek diverse communities. Hopelessly.

But then again, you probably think your kid is a failure if they get a B and attend anything but an Ivy league college. We all have our blind spots.

Idiot, when you discriminate against Asian Americans and force them to get higher scores just to get in, it will lead to more high-stats Asians getting into these colleges rather than more 'well-rounded' or lower scoring Asians (that perhaps you kid could compete with).

Employers and grad-schools are not stupid. At this point they have a clear preference for Asian Americans because they've realized that many public state schools have Asian American students that have far more raw intelligence than white kids in the Ivies.

Ultimately it hurts everyone involved, and white American students will be discriminated against in the job market if they are deserving of the spot - simply because the employer realizes they received an undeserved helping hand in getting into college. This already happens with African Americans.

Talking about one racial group having more "raw intelligence" than another is about THE most racist belief you can hold. Game over. You win (for being the world class racist)

Who is saying that one racial group has more raw intelligence than another racial group?

I'm saying employers believe that Asian American kids from public universities have higher raw intelligence than White American kids from Ivies. This is not a difficult concept to understand.

Ivies signal intelligence to some extent.
Usually, a student from an Ivy would be considered to be more intelligent/capable than a student from a public university.

This is no longer true for Asian American students vs. white students. Because the Ivies have discriminated against Asian students, a lot of these students end up going to Berkeley, UCLA, Michigan etc. An employer views the signal of an Asian American from these public universities to be much higher than a white student from the Ivies (especially due to legacy preferences, donor preferences, sports scholarship, etc.)

This is crazy talk. As an employer I would view an Asian applicant good at rote tasks. I consider AA, white, hispanic and Asian to be of equal intelligence. Asians I would consider better at rote tasks.

A bit off topic but this kind of talk is a perfect example of how in the current political climate it is almost taboo to stereotype AA and Hispanics the way Asian stereotypes roll off unnoticed.

+1 it's like saying I only consider white people good at sales jobs since they like to talk and party a lot. Or that AA aren't good at jobs requiring complex skills which is why many don't get CS degrees even as so many colleges lower their standards to accept them.

See how stereotyping works?

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Anonymous wrote:To quote a good friend: my child would not want to attend a school where their race is a strike against them.

Also, on interview it will be apparent.

Last but not least, don’t you want your child to be proud of who they are? Dońt teach them to deny their heritage.

For all of these reasons, my child marked Asian on her applications.

(If anything, I think it helped her. She was looking at SLAC’s and many of them struggle with diversity)

I don't think this has anything to do with not being proud of their heritage. It's about avoiding the Asian penalty in schools that in effect have one. Your DD's school clearly didn't have one. Other school in effect do.

But you are literally advising them to pretend, on paper, that they are a different race. You are saying deny who you are. I would never advise my child (who is chinese) to do that. But then again, I put their self esteem over rankings and status.

The thing is that if admissions offices were not hopelessly racist, there would be no need for them to know the applicant's race.

You are hopelessly deaf to the argument that colleges seek diverse communities. Hopelessly.

But then again, you probably think your kid is a failure if they get a B and attend anything but an Ivy league college. We all have our blind spots.

Idiot, when you discriminate against Asian Americans and force them to get higher scores just to get in, it will lead to more high-stats Asians getting into these colleges rather than more 'well-rounded' or lower scoring Asians (that perhaps you kid could compete with).

Employers and grad-schools are not stupid. At this point they have a clear preference for Asian Americans because they've realized that many public state schools have Asian American students that have far more raw intelligence than white kids in the Ivies.

Ultimately it hurts everyone involved, and white American students will be discriminated against in the job market if they are deserving of the spot - simply because the employer realizes they received an undeserved helping hand in getting into college. This already happens with African Americans.

Talking about one racial group having more "raw intelligence" than another is about THE most racist belief you can hold. Game over. You win (for being the world class racist)

Who is saying that one racial group has more raw intelligence than another racial group?

I'm saying employers believe that Asian American kids from public universities have higher raw intelligence than White American kids from Ivies. This is not a difficult concept to understand.

Ivies signal intelligence to some extent.
Usually, a student from an Ivy would be considered to be more intelligent/capable than a student from a public university.

This is no longer true for Asian American students vs. white students. Because the Ivies have discriminated against Asian students, a lot of these students end up going to Berkeley, UCLA, Michigan etc. An employer views the signal of an Asian American from these public universities to be much higher than a white student from the Ivies (especially due to legacy preferences, donor preferences, sports scholarship, etc.)

This is crazy talk. As an employer I would view an Asian applicant good at rote tasks. I consider AA, white, hispanic and Asian to be of equal intelligence. Asians I would consider better at rote tasks.

This is stereotyping and racism.

Like if I said I as an employer think black people are better at manual labor so while I think they may be of equal intelligence, I need someone with more critical thinking skills right now not manual labor tasks so I’m going to put their application to the side.

Woke people are only woke to bias and racism against Blacks and Hispanics, not Asians. This is the biggest problem in society today that is completely glossed over.

[Anonymous]

what is better, 2 or more races or white?