Alleged teacher shortage

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Anonymous wrote:Why would a "good long term sub" want the job though instead if being hired as an actual staff member? Isn't that insulting to them and wouldn't it mean less pay for same work?

Many "good" long-term subs can't get certified for some reason. At least that is what happens with the good ones I have worked with. They may lack the necessary coursework, they may not have graduated college, or they may not be able to pass either or both of the Praxis tests. The only other reason would be that they are biding time until a job opens in the area of their endorsement. I don't see that as much.

Yes, absolutely working as a long-term sub means less pay than if the person worked as a teacher. I don't know the pay scale but it might mean they make half of what they might if they were a certified teacher employed full-time. Plus no benefits and I also think they are not allowed to join the teacher association, which every teacher should belong to no matter what.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why would a "good long term sub" want the job though instead if being hired as an actual staff member? Isn't that insulting to them and wouldn't it mean less pay for same work?

Most work for a teacher who is on leave when there is no vacancy. Other times, principals use the LTS positions as a trial for teaching candidates. Easy to let a bad apple go at the end of a LTS term, rather than than the very difficult part of terminating them through evaluation once they’re hired. Also- many LTS are retired teachers who have no desire to return long term

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If residential colleges are opening (most in VA are) I don’t see how K-12 stays closed.

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Anonymous wrote:As a school administrator in FCPS, I’ll agree with many who say that it’s not necessarily difficult to staff the schools (unless maybe you’re a poorly run Title I with a teacher exodus), but I will say that the QUALITY of candidate is declining. Whereas 5 years ago we were still pulling from B+ and A- candidates in July and August, waiting to hire now until that time is getting you Cs and Ds. I’d encourage folks to re-center part of this discussion on teacher quality rather than quantity. My worry is that some of the best and brightest that once saw K12 as a calling to a fulfilling career and good retirement and no longer doing so... this unfortunately leads to negative outcomes for our students.

Maybe poor school administration has something to do with it

I’m not sure whether you’re referring to school-based or district leadership, but I find it hard to believe that principals are responsibility for which major kids are choosing in college

Its probably just the low salaries and the high cost of living. I would not encourage my child to become a teacher.

Agree.

Who wants to get a master degree (plus huge debt) to only make 60k, work 10hrs per day (8+1hr before and after), then do yearly training and required courses and renew teaching license every 5 years. On top of ridiculous pressure from the State, Principals, parents and students all at once!

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Who wants to get a master degree (plus huge debt) to only make 60k, work 10hrs per day (8+1hr before and after), then do yearly training and required courses and renew teaching license every 5 years. On top of ridiculous pressure from the State, Principals, parents and students all at once!

VDOE just amended the requirements to become a teacher in VA - a master's degree is no longer needed. I know this because my daughter wants to be an elementary/special ed teacher and will be attending MaryWash in the fall. Most schools have now amended their education programs to do away with the 4+1 programs where you'd get a Master's/Teaching License in 5th year. Virginia colleges are now able to offer a 4 year BS/BA in Education where you will get your teacher's license in 4 yrs. VDOE did this to address the state-wide teacher shortage.

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Anonymous wrote:Why would a "good long term sub" want the job though instead if being hired as an actual staff member? Isn't that insulting to them and wouldn't it mean less pay for same work?

Most work for a teacher who is on leave when there is no vacancy. Other times, principals use the LTS positions as a trial for teaching candidates. Easy to let a bad apple go at the end of a LTS term, rather than than the very difficult part of terminating them through evaluation once they’re hired. Also- many LTS are retired teachers who have no desire to return long term

My SIL works as a LTS in special ed because she can give it her all for 6 weeks to a whole semester and then recover. She used to have burn out all the time when she was a FT SPED teacher. She tried going PT, but even PT SPED teachers carry an IEP load. The paperwork was the killer. As a LTS she doesn’t have to write/revise IEPs. Her district loves her, but they can’t lure her in for FT. She’s also dual certified in ESOL. The ESOL SN population is skyrocketing. It would be great if people could be paid more based on shortages, but it still wouldn’t solve the burn out issue.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If residential colleges are opening (most in VA are) I don’t see how K-12 stays closed.

18-22 year olds have better hygiene than 5 year olds.

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Anonymous wrote:If residential colleges are opening (most in VA are) I don’t see how K-12 stays closed.

18-22 year olds have better hygiene than 5 year olds.

How about smelly teens those are gross too! LOL.

[Anonymous]

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Who wants to get a master degree (plus huge debt) to only make 60k, work 10hrs per day (8+1hr before and after), then do yearly training and required courses and renew teaching license every 5 years. On top of ridiculous pressure from the State, Principals, parents and students all at once!

VDOE just amended the requirements to become a teacher in VA - a master's degree is no longer needed. I know this because my daughter wants to be an elementary/special ed teacher and will be attending MaryWash in the fall. Most schools have now amended their education programs to do away with the 4+1 programs where you'd get a Master's/Teaching License in 5th year. Virginia colleges are now able to offer a 4 year BS/BA in Education where you will get your teacher's license in 4 yrs. VDOE did this to address the state-wide teacher shortage.

ok then let me rephrase it:

Who wants to get a Bachelor Degree (plus huge debt) to only make 45k, work 10hrs per day (8+1hr before and after), then do yearly training and required courses and renew teaching license every 5 years. On top of ridiculous pressure from the State, Principals, parents and students all at once!

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Anonymous wrote:If residential colleges are opening (most in VA are) I don’t see how K-12 stays closed.

18-22 year olds have better hygiene than 5 year olds.

And an 18-22 year old has better decision-making capabilities than say a 5 year old or even a 12 year old. That's one of the big reasons why 5 year olds and 12 year olds don't drive cars for example.

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Who wants to get a master degree (plus huge debt) to only make 60k, work 10hrs per day (8+1hr before and after), then do yearly training and required courses and renew teaching license every 5 years. On top of ridiculous pressure from the State, Principals, parents and students all at once!

VDOE just amended the requirements to become a teacher in VA - a master's degree is no longer needed. I know this because my daughter wants to be an elementary/special ed teacher and will be attending MaryWash in the fall. Most schools have now amended their education programs to do away with the 4+1 programs where you'd get a Master's/Teaching License in 5th year. Virginia colleges are now able to offer a 4 year BS/BA in Education where you will get your teacher's license in 4 yrs. VDOE did this to address the state-wide teacher shortage.

ok then let me rephrase it:

Who wants to get a Bachelor Degree (plus huge debt) to only make 45k, work 10hrs per day (8+1hr before and after), then do yearly training and required courses and renew teaching license every 5 years. On top of ridiculous pressure from the State, Principals, parents and students all at once!

Actually in FCPS:

Bachelor $50K

Master $55K

PhD $58K


https://www.fcps.edu/sites/default/files/media/pdf/FY21-teacher-194-day.pdf

What a joke!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Legitimately curious where people get their information who claim there is a teacher shortage in FCPS.

There's been a nationwide teacher shortage for years, particularly in--but not limited to-- math & science. University education schools are turning out fewer graduates every year and it's no wonder. Frankly, only a glutton for punishment would go into the classroom at this point. Every failure, every bad thing will be the teacher's fault--not the parent, not the student, not building admin and CERTAINLY not central office admin. We as a society have decided that teachers are underworked and overpaid (hurr durrr they get paid to take summer vacation), so we treat them like entry-level retail workers (who also don't reserve the disrespect they get but that's for another forum).

[Anonymous]

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Who wants to get a master degree (plus huge debt) to only make 60k, work 10hrs per day (8+1hr before and after), then do yearly training and required courses and renew teaching license every 5 years. On top of ridiculous pressure from the State, Principals, parents and students all at once!

VDOE just amended the requirements to become a teacher in VA - a master's degree is no longer needed. I know this because my daughter wants to be an elementary/special ed teacher and will be attending MaryWash in the fall. Most schools have now amended their education programs to do away with the 4+1 programs where you'd get a Master's/Teaching License in 5th year. Virginia colleges are now able to offer a 4 year BS/BA in Education where you will get your teacher's license in 4 yrs. VDOE did this to address the state-wide teacher shortage.

ok then let me rephrase it:

Who wants to get a Bachelor Degree (plus huge debt) to only make 45k, work 10hrs per day (8+1hr before and after), then do yearly training and required courses and renew teaching license every 5 years. On top of ridiculous pressure from the State, Principals, parents and students all at once!

Actually in FCPS:

Bachelor $50K

Master $55K

PhD $58K


https://www.fcps.edu/sites/default/files/media/pdf/FY21-teacher-194-day.pdf

What a joke!

What do you think the job market looks like for Bachelor degree graduates? (technical or non-technical)

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Who wants to get a master degree (plus huge debt) to only make 60k, work 10hrs per day (8+1hr before and after), then do yearly training and required courses and renew teaching license every 5 years. On top of ridiculous pressure from the State, Principals, parents and students all at once!

VDOE just amended the requirements to become a teacher in VA - a master's degree is no longer needed. I know this because my daughter wants to be an elementary/special ed teacher and will be attending MaryWash in the fall. Most schools have now amended their education programs to do away with the 4+1 programs where you'd get a Master's/Teaching License in 5th year. Virginia colleges are now able to offer a 4 year BS/BA in Education where you will get your teacher's license in 4 yrs. VDOE did this to address the state-wide teacher shortage.

ok then let me rephrase it:

Who wants to get a Bachelor Degree (plus huge debt) to only make 45k, work 10hrs per day (8+1hr before and after), then do yearly training and required courses and renew teaching license every 5 years. On top of ridiculous pressure from the State, Principals, parents and students all at once!

Actually in FCPS:

Bachelor $50K

Master $55K

PhD $58K


https://www.fcps.edu/sites/default/files/media/pdf/FY21-teacher-194-day.pdf

What a joke!

What do you think the job market looks like for Bachelor degree graduates? (technical or non-technical)

DP. I don't know a single 2019 college graduate who didn't land a job beginning at least at $50,000. These are kids graduating from a university outside of the DMV and the kids were dispersing across the country. Those kids at the low end of the scale were doing public service or government types of jobs or teaching. So $50k definitely is the low end of the market.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Who wants to get a master degree (plus huge debt) to only make 60k, work 10hrs per day (8+1hr before and after), then do yearly training and required courses and renew teaching license every 5 years. On top of ridiculous pressure from the State, Principals, parents and students all at once!

VDOE just amended the requirements to become a teacher in VA - a master's degree is no longer needed. I know this because my daughter wants to be an elementary/special ed teacher and will be attending MaryWash in the fall. Most schools have now amended their education programs to do away with the 4+1 programs where you'd get a Master's/Teaching License in 5th year. Virginia colleges are now able to offer a 4 year BS/BA in Education where you will get your teacher's license in 4 yrs. VDOE did this to address the state-wide teacher shortage.

ok then let me rephrase it:

Who wants to get a Bachelor Degree (plus huge debt) to only make 45k, work 10hrs per day (8+1hr before and after), then do yearly training and required courses and renew teaching license every 5 years. On top of ridiculous pressure from the State, Principals, parents and students all at once!

Actually in FCPS:

Bachelor $50K

Master $55K

PhD $58K


https://www.fcps.edu/sites/default/files/media/pdf/FY21-teacher-194-day.pdf

What a joke!

What do you think the job market looks like for Bachelor degree graduates? (technical or non-technical)

DP. I don't know a single 2019 college graduate who didn't land a job beginning at least at $50,000. These are kids graduating from a university outside of the DMV and the kids were dispersing across the country. Those kids at the low end of the scale were doing public service or government types of jobs or teaching. So $50k definitely is the low end of the market.

I can assure you with 100% confidence that your experience is not representative.