Defund MPD - thoughts?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Defund the police? What a great idea. Persons of means will retain the now-unemployed personnel as private security, the rest will join the ranks of people looking for work, and ordinary citizens will have no one to call when they need help.

Who, precisely, do you plan to call when you need somebody to protect you from a soulless criminal intent on taking what they want and doing as they please with you and yours?

In DC and PG, I’d bet that a great deal of the crime is committed by police personnel, both on- and off-duty, and by their associates whom they protect. The cops are part of the criminal rot. They don’t solve it. They create it.

It's scary that someone so misguided has the right to vote. Happily, mine will cancel yours out.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Oh good, I see the Republicans found this page.

Are you asserting that only Republicans want to avoid anarchy and chaos?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No one answered the original question. What have police actually done for you?

It shows that much of it can be replaced by unarmed authorities.

The Mad Max hyperbole is just ridiculous.

You realize the hope of police is deterrence. All of us would prefer never to have police do anything for us because their mere presence deters people from doing bad things.

That sounds nice, but in reality a lot of crime in DC happens within a few blocks of a police station.

There's a lot of research showing other drivers for crime, like poverty.

The teens who robbed a women at gunpoint in the 1500 block of Upshur St NW a couple of weeks ago were not stealing food.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Oh good, I see the Republicans found this page.

Are you asserting that only Republicans want to avoid anarchy and chaos?

Only Republicans think that going back to repressing Black people is "avoiding anarchy and chaos".

Actually, scratch that. It's centrist and moderate liberals too. Good thing more people are walking up to the fallacies.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No one answered the original question. What have police actually done for you?

It shows that much of it can be replaced by unarmed authorities.

The Mad Max hyperbole is just ridiculous.

You realize the hope of police is deterrence. All of us would prefer never to have police do anything for us because their mere presence deters people from doing bad things.

That sounds nice, but in reality a lot of crime in DC happens within a few blocks of a police station.

There's a lot of research showing other drivers for crime, like poverty.

The teens who robbed a women at gunpoint in the 1500 block of Upshur St NW a couple of weeks ago were not stealing food.

Poverty is about more than food.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Oh good, I see the Republicans found this page.

Are you asserting that only Republicans want to avoid anarchy and chaos?

Only Republicans think that going back to repressing Black people is "avoiding anarchy and chaos".

Actually, scratch that. It's centrist and moderate liberals too. Good thing more people are walking up to the fallacies.

Having lived in Columbia Heights and Petworth, I've seen what happens when police relax their "oppression". The criminal element doesn't magically become law abiding citizens - they just become more brazen about committing crimes. There's a lot of naive, wishful thinking in the BLM movement.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Oh good, I see the Republicans found this page.

Are you asserting that only Republicans want to avoid anarchy and chaos?

Only Republicans think that going back to repressing Black people is "avoiding anarchy and chaos".

Actually, scratch that. It's centrist and moderate liberals too. Good thing more people are walking up to the fallacies.

Having lived in Columbia Heights and Petworth, I've seen what happens when police relax their "oppression". The criminal element doesn't magically become law abiding citizens - they just become more brazen about committing crimes. There's a lot of naive, wishful thinking in the BLM movement.

Why do you think the "criminal element" behaves like that?

Do you think the heavy police presence in Columbia Heights and Petworth is working? I'm in both of those areas frequently so don't try to BS me.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Oh good, I see the Republicans found this page.

Are you asserting that only Republicans want to avoid anarchy and chaos?

Only Republicans think that going back to repressing Black people is "avoiding anarchy and chaos".

Actually, scratch that. It's centrist and moderate liberals too. Good thing more people are walking up to the fallacies.

Having lived in Columbia Heights and Petworth, I've seen what happens when police relax their "oppression". The criminal element doesn't magically become law abiding citizens - they just become more brazen about committing crimes. There's a lot of naive, wishful thinking in the BLM movement.

Why do you think the "criminal element" behaves like that?

Do you think the heavy police presence in Columbia Heights and Petworth is working? I'm in both of those areas frequently so don't try to BS me.

Why would I BS you? If you're in the area you know that there is concentrated, multi-generational poverty. It involves a perfect storm of broken families, poor parenting, lack of family prioritization of educational achievement, and glorification of "gangster" lifestyle. Much of that is in turn the outcome of systemic racism going back generations. But some of it is also simply lack of personal responsibility. Regardless of the ultimate origin, it will not be magically fixed in our lifetimes, and police presence is still required to ensure that those areas are livable for middle-class residents.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Oh good, I see the Republicans found this page.

Are you asserting that only Republicans want to avoid anarchy and chaos?

Only Republicans think that going back to repressing Black people is "avoiding anarchy and chaos".

Actually, scratch that. It's centrist and moderate liberals too. Good thing more people are walking up to the fallacies.

Having lived in Columbia Heights and Petworth, I've seen what happens when police relax their "oppression". The criminal element doesn't magically become law abiding citizens - they just become more brazen about committing crimes. There's a lot of naive, wishful thinking in the BLM movement.

Why do you think the "criminal element" behaves like that?

Do you think the heavy police presence in Columbia Heights and Petworth is working? I'm in both of those areas frequently so don't try to BS me.

Why would I BS you? If you're in the area you know that there is concentrated, multi-generational poverty. It involves a perfect storm of broken families, poor parenting, lack of family prioritization of educational achievement, and glorification of "gangster" lifestyle. Much of that is in turn the outcome of systemic racism going back generations. But some of it is also simply lack of personal responsibility. Regardless of the ultimate origin, it will not be magically fixed in our lifetimes, and police presence is still required to ensure that those areas are livable for middle-class residents.

I hope you've been advocating for fixes to the systemic problems.

Over-policing is one of those problems. Why don't we try something different?

Should the kids in Columbia Heights grow up hating the police as the enemy?

[Anonymous]

It's not uncommon for cops to make six figures. We could start by cutting pay.

https://dchr.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/dchr/publication/attachments/public_body_employee_information_200331.pdf

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It's not uncommon for cops to make six figures. We could start by cutting pay.

https://dchr.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/dchr/publication/attachments/public_body_employee_information_200331.pdf

I'd like police officers to be able to live in DC. I don't need more southern MD people coming in making trouble.

[Anonymous]

If you use the phrase "Decrease funding" you will have success with this. "Defund Police" is confusing and ineffective.

I'm all for:
Slashing the budget
Transforming the model completely
Getting rid of all military training and equipment for police departments.

I cannot agree that calling this "Defunding the Police" is a good strategic choice.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's not uncommon for cops to make six figures. We could start by cutting pay.

https://dchr.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/dchr/publication/attachments/public_body_employee_information_200331.pdf

I'd like police officers to be able to live in DC. I don't need more southern MD people coming in making trouble.

it makes no difference to me where cops live.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If you use the phrase "Decrease funding" you will have success with this. "Defund Police" is confusing and ineffective.

I'm all for:
Slashing the budget
Transforming the model completely
Getting rid of all military training and equipment for police departments.

I cannot agree that calling this "Defunding the Police" is a good strategic choice.

I can live with that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Oh good, I see the Republicans found this page.

Are you asserting that only Republicans want to avoid anarchy and chaos?

Only Republicans think that going back to repressing Black people is "avoiding anarchy and chaos".

Actually, scratch that. It's centrist and moderate liberals too. Good thing more people are walking up to the fallacies.

Having lived in Columbia Heights and Petworth, I've seen what happens when police relax their "oppression". The criminal element doesn't magically become law abiding citizens - they just become more brazen about committing crimes. There's a lot of naive, wishful thinking in the BLM movement.

Why do you think the "criminal element" behaves like that?

Do you think the heavy police presence in Columbia Heights and Petworth is working? I'm in both of those areas frequently so don't try to BS me.

Why would I BS you? If you're in the area you know that there is concentrated, multi-generational poverty. It involves a perfect storm of broken families, poor parenting, lack of family prioritization of educational achievement, and glorification of "gangster" lifestyle. Much of that is in turn the outcome of systemic racism going back generations. But some of it is also simply lack of personal responsibility. Regardless of the ultimate origin, it will not be magically fixed in our lifetimes, and police presence is still required to ensure that those areas are livable for middle-class residents.

Yes. I worked here with this community and this is spot on. And it's to keep this same community safe that police presence is required. Or you could go straight up Darwin/survival of the fittest I guess. It's not going to turn into Mayberry or whatever without the police though.