Defund MPD - thoughts?

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Anonymous wrote:This is going to be a total debacle. Hopefully it won't spread, because it will set back progressive politics in this country by 10-20 years. It's just the kind of pie-in-the-sky thinking the liberals of yesteryear would have come up with. God, I hope this idea dies. Reform yes, abolish/defund, though, is silly.

Abolishing slavery is a ridiculous pie-in-the-sky idea that some ridiculous liberals came up with. Yes, we agree that it can be a bit cruel, but we think that moderates will get on board with a book to ensure that the number of bearings and rapes is limited to a reasonable amount.

This response makes no damn sense. It is completely irrational, and has no bearing whatsoever to whether the police department should be abolished.

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Anonymous wrote:This is going to be a total debacle. Hopefully it won't spread, because it will set back progressive politics in this country by 10-20 years. It's just the kind of pie-in-the-sky thinking the liberals of yesteryear would have come up with. God, I hope this idea dies. Reform yes, abolish/defund, though, is silly.

Abolishing slavery is a ridiculous pie-in-the-sky idea that some ridiculous liberals came up with. Yes, we agree that it can be a bit cruel, but we think that moderates will get on board with a book to ensure that the number of bearings and rapes is limited to a reasonable amount.

False ridiculous analogy.

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Anonymous wrote:Can anyone point me to information on how many people DC police have killed? I can’t find that information anywhere.

Is killing the threshold? Do you want to know about the people injured, abused, or harassed?

Thanks providing zero information, but Ok then can you point me to information about how many people have been injured, abused, or harassed? I’m just looking for actual information, not your feelings.

There's no data like that because it's not collected. There is a little data on police stops by race or stop and frisk. I'm sure you can Google that.

I think it would be really interesting to have more comprehensive data on police harassment, but not with the time. Go spend some time in communities outside your bubble and see how the police treat them. Or if you want do that, listen to what they're saying with an open mind.

Walk around Baltimore. See how you like it? Walk around mid afternoon? Are you safe? Walk around at 5:00 pm. Have ya'll read the threads about not even walking one block in Baltimore? The threads are not even about safety in the evening or later? Do the same in Chicago. Chicago's nick name is Chi raq prounced Shy Raq is in Iraq.

Yeah, we should make changes to Baltimore to make it more like Cape Cod. Right? You are taking about solving poverty and every issues it touches, right?

Otherwise it sounds like you're just saying that Black people need to be police to keep them in line. Is that what you're saying?

Ok I’m the poster who asked for information (none of the following responses were me). The problem is, if you’re going to have a radical slogan like “defund the police,” you need to convince me with facts, not just telling me to have an open mind. Especially in a city like DC where MPD is 50% black. When a man was trying to break into my home, I called MPD. The officers who responded were extremely professional and comforting. This is an anecdote that obviously doesn’t describe everyone’s experience with them. So in the same vein anecdotes about unprofessional MPD officers are not going to convince me when you cannot point to any facts or data suggesting MPD is rampant with racists looking to kill innocent black people.

There's a lot of information out there on the problems with policing in DC. Not all of it is data because, again, data is not collected. If your threshold is "did someone on DCUM spoon-feed me the information" then you're being really lazy. Almost as if certain people's lives don't matter to you. Try harder.

Nice try, but you’re the one with the platform so it’s YOUR job to educate people about it. Try harder.

Who exactly do you think I am? I'm just a person interested in making the world s better place. I don't have a political office, a platform, or anything else like that.

Consider how you'd have for into society during slavery. "Abolish slavery? Show me some data on how many beatings and rapes there are. I'm not going to learn anything more until you tell me about it.". Really, the kind of people MLK warned us about.

"Shallow understanding from people of goodwill is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection."

People like you are impossible to have a conversation with. You start shouting “defund the police!” So someone asks you, ok, why? Instead of pointing to any evidence whatsoever to back your platform (yes btw this word doesn’t only mean twitter, it can also mean your cause), you just attack them and say “well if you don’t agree with me you must be racist. It’s impossible to learn from or have a meaningful conversation with people like that, and you’re going to need people on your side to pull off something like this. Try talking to people instead of just insulting them. Try pointing to resources, like I dunno, maybe the Office of Police Complaints? Maybe the independent review of MPD use of force that was done in 2018? Saying the data doesn’t exist just isn’t true. But surely you knew of these resources, since you’re so invested in this cause. The only thing I agree with one of these posters is that I am definitely an idiot for thinking I could get any useful information out of DCUM.

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Do people want anarchy? Cause that’s what happens when there is no police.

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Anonymous wrote:Do people want anarchy? Cause that’s what happens when there is no police.

Could you point me to evidence or studies that support this?

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You can relax. When someone sticks a gun in your face, assaults you, or is climbing through your window at 3 am. you’ll be able to call Councilmembers White, Allen, or Nadeau. They’ll immediately rally their posse of virtue signalers and cancel culture warriors and hash tag the malcontent into stopping the transgression.

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I recently learned from activists that defund the police doesn’t mean abolish the police it means cut their funding down to limit spending on weapons and surveillance tech. That makes sense to me. Horrible slogan though.

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Anonymous wrote:I recently learned from activists that defund the police doesn’t mean abolish the police it means cut their funding down to limit spending on weapons and surveillance tech. That makes sense to me. Horrible slogan though.

It means different things to different people. Most seem to mean more extensive changes than what you described, although not as radical as truly disbanding the police altogether.

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Anonymous wrote:We have to have some government body that makes arrests for crimes. Getting rid of law enforcement entirely is idiotic.

However, cops aren’t necessary in all situations. More 911 calls should be routed to mental health professionals, social workers, etc. who are trained to deal with specific situations.

But getting rid of cops entirely is mindnumbingly stupid.

+1 Invest more in drug rehabilitation and prevention. That could decrease calls to 911.

Give citizen review boards actual power by recommendations to fire cops with multiple complaints....

If there is no police, what are the replacements? Private security forces and gangs...

Organized crime. Pay for protection.

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Eliminating the police WILL finally halt gentrification! It’ll stop it in it’s tracks.

Not too mention instantly boost home prices in the close-in suburbs by a couple hundred thousand bucks overnight.

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Anonymous wrote:Defunding is idiotic. We need real consequences for misconduct, de-escalating training, and to remove the racists.

Start throwing cops in prison for misconduct. That will clean things up real quick.

THIS.

We already do.

What we don't do, is make cops personally responsible for financial damages if they are found liable for serious misconduct. Doing so could change some behaviors (but also might make it much too risky to join the force)...

You do realize that cops can be sued in civil court (and be personally responsible for financial damages) if they are found liable for serious misconduct/failure to follow their departments procedures?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I recently learned from activists that defund the police doesn’t mean abolish the police it means cut their funding down to limit spending on weapons and surveillance tech. That makes sense to me. Horrible slogan though.

It means different things to different people. Most seem to mean more extensive changes than what you described, although not as radical as truly disbanding the police altogether.

A majority of Minneapolis council members want to dismantle the city’s police department because, in their view, it cannot be reformed.

The term “defund” is not defined as merely reducing funding to something; it’s defined as preventing something from receiving funding. I suspect more Americans mentally associate the term with disbanding or dismantling the police, just like we we’re seeing in Minneapolis.

Reforming the police is a policy position that is likely understood and accepted by a majority of Americans. Defunding the police will meet significant opposition by voters, and will likely hurt Democrats politically in November.

If the “activists” don’t mean “dismantle the police” when they say “defund the police”, then they need a new tagline...quickly.

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Democrats:

Dismantle and defund the police.

Abolish ICE

Allow illegal immigration.


Jesus F'in Christ. The party of lawlessness needs to be abolished.

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