15-yo DS Opens Car Door for a Girl

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Anonymous wrote:Weird. Women / Girls don't need a car door opened for them. It is very patriarchal and not someone people do now. Girls can open their own car doors believe it or not!

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I'd be turned off by a man who did this.

I would see it as a sign of kindness, consideration and respect.

Do young men not also deserve kindness, consideration and respect? Would you have your daughters open car doors for the young man? If it is just about respect, then it should go both ways.

Meagan Markle did it for Prince Harry. She opened the car door for him. That was very sweet. But White women are still mad at her because she is 1/2 Black.

What if someone said all black women....? All white women are not mad at her for opening a car door or because she is biracial.

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Anonymous wrote:Weird. Women / Girls don't need a car door opened for them. It is very patriarchal and not someone people do now. Girls can open their own car doors believe it or not!

Why can’t people be nice without it being turned into a sexist act of disrespect.

Don't worry. Men don't like the poster you're addressing. I guarantee it.

There are lots of men who are attracted to the helpless, weak, needy woman because then they can be the 'guy' who is the knight in shining at or and they can be the provider / protector for sure. However there are also other men who are attracted to strong competent women who see themselves as an equal. Those guys may be harder to find if thy have been raised to think women need their help but they are out there.

Or It could be nice to hold the door so a woman could gather her dress without it dragging across curb or door of car, or to allow her to comfortable get in a car while wearing a dress/skirt or to show that I value her by doing something simple and kind. It doesn’t mean I feel like she any less that me or need a knights in shining armor. It doesn’t make her appear weak in my eyes. It is a kind thing to do. If my wife gets a glass out of cabinet for me, does that imply I am incapable of doing it myself, no.

My wife is the strongest person I know. She doesn’t need me to do anything for her, but she accepts my kindness it is a part of me.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Weird. Women / Girls don't need a car door opened for them. It is very patriarchal and not someone people do now. Girls can open their own car doors believe it or not!

Why can’t people be nice without it being turned into a sexist act of disrespect.

Don't worry. Men don't like the poster you're addressing. I guarantee it.

There are lots of men who are attracted to the helpless, weak, needy woman because then they can be the 'guy' who is the knight in shining at or and they can be the provider / protector for sure. However there are also other men who are attracted to strong competent women who see themselves as an equal. Those guys may be harder to find if thy have been raised to think women need their help but they are out there.

Or It could be nice to hold the door so a woman could gather her dress without it dragging across curb or door of car, or to allow her to comfortable get in a car while wearing a dress/skirt or to show that I value her by doing something simple and kind. It doesn’t mean I feel like she any less that me or need a knights in shining armor. It doesn’t make her appear weak in my eyes. It is a kind thing to do. If my wife gets a glass out of cabinet for me, does that imply I am incapable of doing it myself, no.

My wife is the strongest person I know. She doesn’t need me to do anything for her, but she accepts my kindness it is a part of me.

If you are teaching your daughters that the way a woman shows respect to a man is that whenever he needs a drink she is to get him a glass from the cabinet; that he shouldn't have to get a glass himself; and that she should only get glasses for a man but not for other women...then yes I think that is sexist too.

As for women needing help from men to keep their long flowing dresses clean....I won't go there!

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Anonymous wrote:My boys (now young adults) always hold the doors open for women. They’ll also offer their seats, stand when a woman approaches them, etc. It has nothing to do with women not being capable of doing so. It’s simply a demonstration of respect. They do the same for older people.

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My husband holds the door open for just about everyone. So does my brother. I do too -- I'm a woman but ES taught to hold doors, open car doors, offer to carry packages etc. for elderly people, female or male. Because...manners. And extra attention to the elderly. Or guests. Or just friends.

The angry "women don't need doors held for them!" folks seem threatened and insulted by those who would offer respect. I guess it's seen as disrespectful or infantilizing. It's not coming from that place at all -- unless you choose to put that interpretation on it. But that's coming from those PPs, not from the door-openers.

Female here. I really don't understand why certain women have to be so angry and defensive about common decency. I was taught to be considerate of others, so if I am coming to a door and walk through first, I will hold it for the person behind me. I have many times held the door and allowed people to go first--out of a sense of trying to make the world a tiny bit better. (And yes, I try to do a lot to help the world in much bigger ways, but that isn't the point of this thread.)

I have also seen angry people glowering, walking through the busy streets, and then so often they see my tiny, super cute little dog. And it's like the person has no idea anyone is watching, and for maybe 15 seconds you see the person smile, then right back to the glower. I believe people do look for tiny examples of kindness in every day life. To hold a door is just one freaking example.

No one in this thread is upset at all about common decency. Did you read the thread? It isn't about everyone helping each other out or being considerate of others. Approaching a door and holding it open for the person behind you is just a common courtesy and I don't think anyone has an issue with that. I might hold the door for the man behind me who holds it for the child behind him who holds it for the teen behind her who holds it for the woman behind him. That is common courtesy.

I did read the entire thread, and while there are some people who are fine with and appreciate common decency, there were others (maybe the same person justifying her point??) that equate any male opening a door for a female to patriarchal condescension. I will also add, that my DH is very tall and flies a lot. He has always helped anyone who needs it to get their bags in the overhead bin when they are having trouble. Twice now he has been called out by women simply for offering to help, and in one case the flight attendant had to come over to help because the woman truly couldn't get it up over her head.

I think maybe it is my post you are referring to and I have never said (nor has any poster as I just reread the thread) that any male opening a door for a female is patriarchal condescension. The issue at hand is opening a CAR door for someone only because they are female. Not as common courtesy that you would do for anyone. Not someone in need of help. Helping someone who needs help is fine. If your DH offers to help both men and women struggling with luggage - great, that is common courtesy. Assuming a woman will need a man's help with her bag just because she is female is sexist. If you see anyone in trouble, help them out.

I agree with you. And my DH would never assume that about women and luggage, and frankly, most people just ask him for help since he is so tall. I think it's the people who are clearly struggling (regardless of age or gender--and we've all seen the ones who very nearly bang seated passengers on the head with a baggage going rogue) that perhaps are the iffy ones. Maybe the lashing out is out of embarrassment. That said, I think there are some people in general who are just looking to be offended. That, to me, doesn't help anyone's path to equality. And I appreciate the civil discussions of it.

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Anonymous wrote:My boys (now young adults) always hold the doors open for women. They’ll also offer their seats, stand when a woman approaches them, etc. It has nothing to do with women not being capable of doing so. It’s simply a demonstration of respect. They do the same for older people.

+1

My husband holds the door open for just about everyone. So does my brother. I do too -- I'm a woman but ES taught to hold doors, open car doors, offer to carry packages etc. for elderly people, female or male. Because...manners. And extra attention to the elderly. Or guests. Or just friends.

The angry "women don't need doors held for them!" folks seem threatened and insulted by those who would offer respect. I guess it's seen as disrespectful or infantilizing. It's not coming from that place at all -- unless you choose to put that interpretation on it. But that's coming from those PPs, not from the door-openers.

Respect is something that is mutual. It is not respect when it is something that that is only one way and that perpetuates the stereotype that women are weak, helpless and need a man for basic tasks. If I am entering a door, I always look behind and hold it for man, woman, or child. As a woman I am perfectly fine with a man, woman or child holding open a door for me. I am not okay with my daughter standing by a car waiting for a boy to come open her door or a boy rushing around to open her car door for her. That isn't respect unless she is also going to get out and run around and open his door.

Women will never be seen as equals or move up into senior positions as long as we treat them so differently than boys. Manners are something that you should teach all your children, male and female and that apply to everyone. Respect goes both ways, both boys and girls are deserving of respect and should treat others with respect. As soon as you make it one directional and this is just something you teach boys to do...it is sexist.

Teach your daughters that they are as capable as men.

You get pretty wound up about this.

No wonder so many guys are confused. What used to be simple manners is now sexist.

My son will sometimes open the door for his girlfriend, even though she is more than capable of doing it herself.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My boys (now young adults) always hold the doors open for women. They’ll also offer their seats, stand when a woman approaches them, etc. It has nothing to do with women not being capable of doing so. It’s simply a demonstration of respect. They do the same for older people.

+1

My husband holds the door open for just about everyone. So does my brother. I do too -- I'm a woman but ES taught to hold doors, open car doors, offer to carry packages etc. for elderly people, female or male. Because...manners. And extra attention to the elderly. Or guests. Or just friends.

The angry "women don't need doors held for them!" folks seem threatened and insulted by those who would offer respect. I guess it's seen as disrespectful or infantilizing. It's not coming from that place at all -- unless you choose to put that interpretation on it. But that's coming from those PPs, not from the door-openers.

Respect is something that is mutual. It is not respect when it is something that that is only one way and that perpetuates the stereotype that women are weak, helpless and need a man for basic tasks. If I am entering a door, I always look behind and hold it for man, woman, or child. As a woman I am perfectly fine with a man, woman or child holding open a door for me. I am not okay with my daughter standing by a car waiting for a boy to come open her door or a boy rushing around to open her car door for her. That isn't respect unless she is also going to get out and run around and open his door.

Women will never be seen as equals or move up into senior positions as long as we treat them so differently than boys. Manners are something that you should teach all your children, male and female and that apply to everyone. Respect goes both ways, both boys and girls are deserving of respect and should treat others with respect. As soon as you make it one directional and this is just something you teach boys to do...it is sexist.

Teach your daughters that they are as capable as men.

You get pretty wound up about this.

No wonder so many guys are confused. What used to be simple manners is now sexist.

My son will sometimes open the door for his girlfriend, even though she is more than capable of doing it herself.

I am not wound up at all. I think this has been a pretty rational, calm discussion by DCUM standards with varying points of view being expressed pretty respectfully. I think the sentence I bolded is true. In the past the general societal view of women meant that men were taught to do things for women - that despite being well intended - were still sexist. Women were seen as unable to do many of the things that men could so men very kindly helped them and did for them all the things that they couldn't do because they were women. Now that many of us see women as being able to do many things themselves, those kind gestures that were rooted in sexism are no longer really a good thing. I do agree it is confusing for men - if they were taught - you need to do x,y, and z for women (just because they are women) and now women are saying, actually I don't need you to do that for me just because I am a woman - I can see it would be confusing for sure. Hopefully within a generation or two fewer men will be raised thinking they need to do x, y, and z for women - just because they are women and they will see women more as their equal. They will still be respectful and kind - in the same way though that they would be respectful and kind to other men.

[Anonymous]

Before cars, men with manners held the door and let the woman precede him into a building. Were the doors apparently too heavy? Now I'm wondering where this all came from.

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Anonymous wrote:Before cars, men with manners held the door and let the woman precede him into a building. Were the doors apparently too heavy? Now I'm wondering where this all came from.

I think protection. If you went through a door and left your woman behind you, someone might grab her and drag her off. If you open the door and let her through, you can keep an eye on her. Plus the fact that in the olden days, doors were super heavy (solid wood instead of the hollow core crap we have now). And the PP's post about big skirts was probably also a factor. If you've ever worn a full-length big skirted dress (those of us who went to prom or were bridesmaids in the 80's know what I'm talking about), it took a lot of management that occupied your hands.

I personally thing the whole thing is kind of stupid now, as does my teen daughter. I'm not going to pillory some guy for doing it, but I will do sort of a double-take. People should be respectful and considerate of each other generally. Don't let a door slam in someone's face. If someone has their arms full or is pushing a stroller, open a door for them. If you're already up and someone wants a drink, it's kind to get them a glass. If you're walking with someone, try not to walk faster than they can comfortably keep up with. I feel like all of this runs both ways. GIrls maybe are more socially conditioned to think this way already, and maybe boys need a little explicit coaching to think this way (based on my experience with men and women riding the metro, in which men are twice as likely to keep their backpacks on and wack you in the face with them when they turn around, plus the whole mans-preading seat problem).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My boys (now young adults) always hold the doors open for women. They’ll also offer their seats, stand when a woman approaches them, etc. It has nothing to do with women not being capable of doing so. It’s simply a demonstration of respect. They do the same for older people.

+1

My husband holds the door open for just about everyone. So does my brother. I do too -- I'm a woman but ES taught to hold doors, open car doors, offer to carry packages etc. for elderly people, female or male. Because...manners. And extra attention to the elderly. Or guests. Or just friends.

The angry "women don't need doors held for them!" folks seem threatened and insulted by those who would offer respect. I guess it's seen as disrespectful or infantilizing. It's not coming from that place at all -- unless you choose to put that interpretation on it. But that's coming from those PPs, not from the door-openers.

Respect is something that is mutual. It is not respect when it is something that that is only one way and that perpetuates the stereotype that women are weak, helpless and need a man for basic tasks. If I am entering a door, I always look behind and hold it for man, woman, or child. As a woman I am perfectly fine with a man, woman or child holding open a door for me. I am not okay with my daughter standing by a car waiting for a boy to come open her door or a boy rushing around to open her car door for her. That isn't respect unless she is also going to get out and run around and open his door.

Women will never be seen as equals or move up into senior positions as long as we treat them so differently than boys. Manners are something that you should teach all your children, male and female and that apply to everyone. Respect goes both ways, both boys and girls are deserving of respect and should treat others with respect. As soon as you make it one directional and this is just something you teach boys to do...it is sexist.

Teach your daughters that they are as capable as men.

You get pretty wound up about this.

No wonder so many guys are confused. What used to be simple manners is now sexist.

My son will sometimes open the door for his girlfriend, even though she is more than capable of doing it herself.

I am not wound up at all. I think this has been a pretty rational, calm discussion by DCUM standards with varying points of view being expressed pretty respectfully. I think the sentence I bolded is true. In the past the general societal view of women meant that men were taught to do things for women - that despite being well intended - were still sexist. Women were seen as unable to do many of the things that men could so men very kindly helped them and did for them all the things that they couldn't do because they were women. Now that many of us see women as being able to do many things themselves, those kind gestures that were rooted in sexism are no longer really a good thing. I do agree it is confusing for men - if they were taught - you need to do x,y, and z for women (just because they are women) and now women are saying, actually I don't need you to do that for me just because I am a woman - I can see it would be confusing for sure. Hopefully within a generation or two fewer men will be raised thinking they need to do x, y, and z for women - just because they are women and they will see women more as their equal. They will still be respectful and kind - in the same way though that they would be respectful and kind to other men.

Pp you quoted here.

Re: the bolded.... Ds grew up with DH opening doors for me. Not because I'm female. I have mobility limitations and sometimes do need help.

I know ds doesn't always hold doors open.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My boys (now young adults) always hold the doors open for women. They’ll also offer their seats, stand when a woman approaches them, etc. It has nothing to do with women not being capable of doing so. It’s simply a demonstration of respect. They do the same for older people.

+1

My husband holds the door open for just about everyone. So does my brother. I do too -- I'm a woman but ES taught to hold doors, open car doors, offer to carry packages etc. for elderly people, female or male. Because...manners. And extra attention to the elderly. Or guests. Or just friends.

The angry "women don't need doors held for them!" folks seem threatened and insulted by those who would offer respect. I guess it's seen as disrespectful or infantilizing. It's not coming from that place at all -- unless you choose to put that interpretation on it. But that's coming from those PPs, not from the door-openers.

Respect is something that is mutual. It is not respect when it is something that that is only one way and that perpetuates the stereotype that women are weak, helpless and need a man for basic tasks. If I am entering a door, I always look behind and hold it for man, woman, or child. As a woman I am perfectly fine with a man, woman or child holding open a door for me. I am not okay with my daughter standing by a car waiting for a boy to come open her door or a boy rushing around to open her car door for her. That isn't respect unless she is also going to get out and run around and open his door.

Women will never be seen as equals or move up into senior positions as long as we treat them so differently than boys. Manners are something that you should teach all your children, male and female and that apply to everyone. Respect goes both ways, both boys and girls are deserving of respect and should treat others with respect. As soon as you make it one directional and this is just something you teach boys to do...it is sexist.

Teach your daughters that they are as capable as men.

You get pretty wound up about this.

No wonder so many guys are confused. What used to be simple manners is now sexist.

My son will sometimes open the door for his girlfriend, even though she is more than capable of doing it herself.

I am not wound up at all. I think this has been a pretty rational, calm discussion by DCUM standards with varying points of view being expressed pretty respectfully. I think the sentence I bolded is true. In the past the general societal view of women meant that men were taught to do things for women - that despite being well intended - were still sexist. Women were seen as unable to do many of the things that men could so men very kindly helped them and did for them all the things that they couldn't do because they were women. Now that many of us see women as being able to do many things themselves, those kind gestures that were rooted in sexism are no longer really a good thing. I do agree it is confusing for men - if they were taught - you need to do x,y, and z for women (just because they are women) and now women are saying, actually I don't need you to do that for me just because I am a woman - I can see it would be confusing for sure. Hopefully within a generation or two fewer men will be raised thinking they need to do x, y, and z for women - just because they are women and they will see women more as their equal. They will still be respectful and kind - in the same way though that they would be respectful and kind to other men.

No. You're wound up.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Before cars, men with manners held the door and let the woman precede him into a building. Were the doors apparently too heavy? Now I'm wondering where this all came from.

I think protection. If you went through a door and left your woman behind you, someone might grab her and drag her off. If you open the door and let her through, you can keep an eye on her. Plus the fact that in the olden days, doors were super heavy (solid wood instead of the hollow core crap we have now). And the PP's post about big skirts was probably also a factor. If you've ever worn a full-length big skirted dress (those of us who went to prom or were bridesmaids in the 80's know what I'm talking about), it took a lot of management that occupied your hands.

I personally thing the whole thing is kind of stupid now, as does my teen daughter. I'm not going to pillory some guy for doing it, but I will do sort of a double-take. People should be respectful and considerate of each other generally. Don't let a door slam in someone's face. If someone has their arms full or is pushing a stroller, open a door for them. If you're already up and someone wants a drink, it's kind to get them a glass. If you're walking with someone, try not to walk faster than they can comfortably keep up with. I feel like all of this runs both ways. GIrls maybe are more socially conditioned to think this way already, and maybe boys need a little explicit coaching to think this way (based on my experience with men and women riding the metro, in which men are twice as likely to keep their backpacks on and wack you in the face with them when they turn around, plus the whole mans-preading seat problem).

My prom dress, my wedding dress. Both poofy so yes that makes sense.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My boys (now young adults) always hold the doors open for women. They’ll also offer their seats, stand when a woman approaches them, etc. It has nothing to do with women not being capable of doing so. It’s simply a demonstration of respect. They do the same for older people.

+1

My husband holds the door open for just about everyone. So does my brother. I do too -- I'm a woman but ES taught to hold doors, open car doors, offer to carry packages etc. for elderly people, female or male. Because...manners. And extra attention to the elderly. Or guests. Or just friends.

The angry "women don't need doors held for them!" folks seem threatened and insulted by those who would offer respect. I guess it's seen as disrespectful or infantilizing. It's not coming from that place at all -- unless you choose to put that interpretation on it. But that's coming from those PPs, not from the door-openers.

Respect is something that is mutual. It is not respect when it is something that that is only one way and that perpetuates the stereotype that women are weak, helpless and need a man for basic tasks. If I am entering a door, I always look behind and hold it for man, woman, or child. As a woman I am perfectly fine with a man, woman or child holding open a door for me. I am not okay with my daughter standing by a car waiting for a boy to come open her door or a boy rushing around to open her car door for her. That isn't respect unless she is also going to get out and run around and open his door.

Women will never be seen as equals or move up into senior positions as long as we treat them so differently than boys. Manners are something that you should teach all your children, male and female and that apply to everyone. Respect goes both ways, both boys and girls are deserving of respect and should treat others with respect. As soon as you make it one directional and this is just something you teach boys to do...it is sexist.

Teach your daughters that they are as capable as men.

You get pretty wound up about this.

No wonder so many guys are confused. What used to be simple manners is now sexist.

My son will sometimes open the door for his girlfriend, even though she is more than capable of doing it herself.

I am not wound up at all. I think this has been a pretty rational, calm discussion by DCUM standards with varying points of view being expressed pretty respectfully. I think the sentence I bolded is true. In the past the general societal view of women meant that men were taught to do things for women - that despite being well intended - were still sexist. Women were seen as unable to do many of the things that men could so men very kindly helped them and did for them all the things that they couldn't do because they were women. Now that many of us see women as being able to do many things themselves, those kind gestures that were rooted in sexism are no longer really a good thing. I do agree it is confusing for men - if they were taught - you need to do x,y, and z for women (just because they are women) and now women are saying, actually I don't need you to do that for me just because I am a woman - I can see it would be confusing for sure. Hopefully within a generation or two fewer men will be raised thinking they need to do x, y, and z for women - just because they are women and they will see women more as their equal. They will still be respectful and kind - in the same way though that they would be respectful and kind to other men.

Pp you quoted here.

Re: the bolded.... Ds grew up with DH opening doors for me. Not because I'm female. I have mobility limitations and sometimes do need help.

I know ds doesn't always hold doors open.

For sure. Doing something because someone needs help is completely different than doing something for someone just because of their gender.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My boys (now young adults) always hold the doors open for women. They’ll also offer their seats, stand when a woman approaches them, etc. It has nothing to do with women not being capable of doing so. It’s simply a demonstration of respect. They do the same for older people.

+1

My husband holds the door open for just about everyone. So does my brother. I do too -- I'm a woman but ES taught to hold doors, open car doors, offer to carry packages etc. for elderly people, female or male. Because...manners. And extra attention to the elderly. Or guests. Or just friends.

The angry "women don't need doors held for them!" folks seem threatened and insulted by those who would offer respect. I guess it's seen as disrespectful or infantilizing. It's not coming from that place at all -- unless you choose to put that interpretation on it. But that's coming from those PPs, not from the door-openers.

Respect is something that is mutual. It is not respect when it is something that that is only one way and that perpetuates the stereotype that women are weak, helpless and need a man for basic tasks. If I am entering a door, I always look behind and hold it for man, woman, or child. As a woman I am perfectly fine with a man, woman or child holding open a door for me. I am not okay with my daughter standing by a car waiting for a boy to come open her door or a boy rushing around to open her car door for her. That isn't respect unless she is also going to get out and run around and open his door.

Women will never be seen as equals or move up into senior positions as long as we treat them so differently than boys. Manners are something that you should teach all your children, male and female and that apply to everyone. Respect goes both ways, both boys and girls are deserving of respect and should treat others with respect. As soon as you make it one directional and this is just something you teach boys to do...it is sexist.

Teach your daughters that they are as capable as men.

You get pretty wound up about this.

No wonder so many guys are confused. What used to be simple manners is now sexist.

My son will sometimes open the door for his girlfriend, even though she is more than capable of doing it herself.

Hahaha....something tells me that pp isn't exactly a beauty queen.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Weird. Women / Girls don't need a car door opened for them. It is very patriarchal and not someone people do now. Girls can open their own car doors believe it or not!

+1

I'd be turned off by a man who did this.

I would see it as a sign of kindness, consideration and respect.

Do young men not also deserve kindness, consideration and respect? Would you have your daughters open car doors for the young man? If it is just about respect, then it should go both ways.

Meagan Markle did it for Prince Harry. She opened the car door for him. That was very sweet. But White women are still mad at her because she is 1/2 Black.

Np: Meghan Markle also said this to a group of schoolboys: You have your mothers, sisters, girlfriends, friends in your life, protect them.

I thought women don’t need to be protected by men, we’re capable of taking care of ourselves.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Weird. Women / Girls don't need a car door opened for them. It is very patriarchal and not someone people do now. Girls can open their own car doors believe it or not!

+1

I'd be turned off by a man who did this.

I would see it as a sign of kindness, consideration and respect.

Do young men not also deserve kindness, consideration and respect? Would you have your daughters open car doors for the young man? If it is just about respect, then it should go both ways.

Meagan Markle did it for Prince Harry. She opened the car door for him. That was very sweet. But White women are still mad at her because she is 1/2 Black.

Np: Meghan Markle also said this to a group of schoolboys: You have your mothers, sisters, girlfriends, friends in your life, protect them.

I thought women don’t need to be protected by men, we’re capable of taking care of ourselves.

+1

I hate when people say that women need to be protected! We are not delicate little flowers! Today is International Women's Day, how about we take a break from insulting and infantilizing women just for today, because I know it is too much to ask for it to stop all together.