Get ready for even less detentons/suspensions and more restorative justice

[Anonymous]

In my experience white kids and black kids do the same goofy things. The difference is that when you step in to deal with it, you get much worse pushback and defiance from the AA kid than a comparable white kid. There is definitely room for training on this.

My problem with MCPS is that it rarely does any actual behavioral management training. The worst thing you can have with discipline is lack of consistency. Admin's response is often "build a relationship". That can be very hard in a hallway environment with lots of peers hanging around.

Case in point. I had some AA students walking down the hallway instead of going to lunch. I heard cursing and went out to ask them to go to lunch. Three of them completely ignore me. Another one turns around and immediately gets into a fighting stance with fists up. I retreat and back up with my palms up. I turn my body and try waving him over saying "hey man, I just want to chat". Kid continues to give me a serial killer look with his fists up. Eventually, his three peers turn him around laughing and continue walking down the hallway nonplussed. I have never had a reaction like that from any other group of students. It's gotten to the point, where I never engage with a group of AA males. Almost always one of them will make a show of it escalating the situation.

[Anonymous]

I think this is great news because I've read it's far more effective.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Fewer.

Ha! I said this as soon as I read the title.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As the parent of a mixed race kid (AA and white) who is 2- this is already on our minds when looking at schools.

My DH was (and is still) friends with mostly wealthy, white kids. One kid took the cops on a high speed chase through HoCo after being pulled over for a DUI. He got probation and a fine. If he was a minority, he would've been shot.

You have no idea whether this is true. For a couple of years now the press has been pushing this story that police killings of blacks are endemic and it's simply not true -- they are extremely rare and often associated with threatening activity on the part of the victim of the shooting. In a country of 300 million there will always be individual incidents that are egregious. You can make anything seem common by just amplifying those incidents all over the papers.

I was on the jury for an African-American kid who led the police on a high-speed chase through both DC and Maryland and ended up crashing. He didn't get shot or even injured, although he put many other people in great danger. He got a very brief jail sentence (in months), so it wasn't probation, but he certainly wasn't shot.

My H is a cop and they absolutely beat black males at a higher rate for no good reason.

You are insane if you think black people get less or same jail time as whites.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This was posted in the comments for OP's article:

For example, let's look at the weekly crime summary, which MCPD publishes on their website. The most recent is the report published on 2/18. It shows crimes, and if the suspect was not located, then a description of the suspect. I counted them up in cases where the race was listed:

13 black males, one Indian male. No white males. No Hispanic males. No women.

Now, I suppose one explanation is the witnesses and victims were misidentifying the race of the suspects, and the suspect was actually of a different race. But these are crimes all around the county, with different victims each time. I doubt they're all getting it wrong.

Maybe this was an anomaly. Let's look at the previous report, published on 2/6/20:
8 black males. No white males. No hispanic males. There was one woman of unknown race.

So, based on crime statistics, if there's a correlation between people who do bad things after graduating, and people who do bad things while still in school, then perhaps the numbers of black males suspended is actually disproportionately low?


I looked it up, and the data they refer to is here:
https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/pol/crime/summaries.html

Or cops let white guys and crying women off with a warning

And teachers treat black males so badly they drop out and sell pot to make money ... the same pot white men sell legally.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:So you think if Student A who is white does X and Student B who is black does X... the black student should be suspended and the white student should not be suspended?

No, I am saying that anyone who does X should get suspended. Teachers have already said here they can not suspend minorities the past 1-2 years, due to restorative justice - meaning until these "numbers" get fixed and the suspensions are even between blacks, hispanics, white and Asians. But they are not getting fixed. So now I am guessing we will suspend more white and asians to even it out.

What if X is looking at your phone during class or going to the bathroom and being late for class.

Teachers are disciplining black students for things they let white kids slide on.

It was clear in the article they are talking about minor violations.

Lets see the list then, why aren't they showing the age, race, and age of each child and what it was that got them suspended.

Because I highly doubt black kids are getting suspended for using their phone in class and whites are allowed to just scroll away

Blair HS students actually tested it out. They purposely had white and black kids do the exact same thing and documented the treatment of black kids.

They were getting multiple violations that lead to a detention.

They wrote it up and presented it to the principal and school board... video is convenient.

There was also a study done for NBA referees and they also treat black players differently, and home teams differently... the study allowed them to made changes and education to fix the issue.

Love it. So MCPS should bade it’s discipline policy on a ‘study’ done by high school students? I hope they designed a well-thought our study. Free from bias.

They were testing out a study by Harvard, Yale, Stanford and pretty much ever other institution in the world. This is not new.

You sound seriously uneducated, did u move here from Pennsylvania?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This was posted in the comments for OP's article:

For example, let's look at the weekly crime summary, which MCPD publishes on their website. The most recent is the report published on 2/18. It shows crimes, and if the suspect was not located, then a description of the suspect. I counted them up in cases where the race was listed:

13 black males, one Indian male. No white males. No Hispanic males. No women.

Now, I suppose one explanation is the witnesses and victims were misidentifying the race of the suspects, and the suspect was actually of a different race. But these are crimes all around the county, with different victims each time. I doubt they're all getting it wrong.

Maybe this was an anomaly. Let's look at the previous report, published on 2/6/20:
8 black males. No white males. No hispanic males. There was one woman of unknown race.

So, based on crime statistics, if there's a correlation between people who do bad things after graduating, and people who do bad things while still in school, then perhaps the numbers of black males suspended is actually disproportionately low?


I looked it up, and the data they refer to is here:
https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/pol/crime/summaries.html

Or cops let white guys and crying women off with a warning

And teachers treat black males so badly they drop out and sell pot to make money ... the same pot white men sell legally.

But crime summaries are based on victims reporting a crime, and the report by the victim or witnesses about the suspect. It's not arrests (where police could be subjective), just crime reports by victims.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This was posted in the comments for OP's article:

For example, let's look at the weekly crime summary, which MCPD publishes on their website. The most recent is the report published on 2/18. It shows crimes, and if the suspect was not located, then a description of the suspect. I counted them up in cases where the race was listed:

13 black males, one Indian male. No white males. No Hispanic males. No women.

Now, I suppose one explanation is the witnesses and victims were misidentifying the race of the suspects, and the suspect was actually of a different race. But these are crimes all around the county, with different victims each time. I doubt they're all getting it wrong.

Maybe this was an anomaly. Let's look at the previous report, published on 2/6/20:
8 black males. No white males. No hispanic males. There was one woman of unknown race.

So, based on crime statistics, if there's a correlation between people who do bad things after graduating, and people who do bad things while still in school, then perhaps the numbers of black males suspended is actually disproportionately low?


I looked it up, and the data they refer to is here:
https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/pol/crime/summaries.html

Or cops let white guys and crying women off with a warning

And teachers treat black males so badly they drop out and sell pot to make money ... the same pot white men sell legally.

But crime summaries are based on victims reporting a crime, and the report by the victim or witnesses about the suspect. It's not arrests (where police could be subjective), just crime reports by victims.

The FBI victimization report (summary of race of offending by victim reporting) and the actual percentages of each race arrested and prosecuted for crimes match up almost exactly. The people committing the crimes are the people being arrested. If you look at the Washington Posts database on police shootings, blacks make up 25%, whites more than 50%, even though blacks commit close to 50% of all violent crime. In addition, in 2019 19 unarmed whites were shot by police compared to 9 blacks. These facts are in direct opposition to the reporting from the media.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This was posted in the comments for OP's article:

For example, let's look at the weekly crime summary, which MCPD publishes on their website. The most recent is the report published on 2/18. It shows crimes, and if the suspect was not located, then a description of the suspect. I counted them up in cases where the race was listed:

13 black males, one Indian male. No white males. No Hispanic males. No women.

Now, I suppose one explanation is the witnesses and victims were misidentifying the race of the suspects, and the suspect was actually of a different race. But these are crimes all around the county, with different victims each time. I doubt they're all getting it wrong.

Maybe this was an anomaly. Let's look at the previous report, published on 2/6/20:
8 black males. No white males. No hispanic males. There was one woman of unknown race.

So, based on crime statistics, if there's a correlation between people who do bad things after graduating, and people who do bad things while still in school, then perhaps the numbers of black males suspended is actually disproportionately low?


I looked it up, and the data they refer to is here:
https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/pol/crime/summaries.html

Or cops let white guys and crying women off with a warning

And teachers treat black males so badly they drop out and sell pot to make money ... the same pot white men sell legally.

But crime summaries are based on victims reporting a crime, and the report by the victim or witnesses about the suspect. It's not arrests (where police could be subjective), just crime reports by victims.

The FBI victimization report (summary of race of offending by victim reporting) and the actual percentages of each race arrested and prosecuted for crimes match up almost exactly. The people committing the crimes are the people being arrested. If you look at the Washington Posts database on police shootings, blacks make up 25%, whites more than 50%, even though blacks commit close to 50% of all violent crime. In addition, in 2019 19 unarmed whites were shot by police compared to 9 blacks. These facts are in direct opposition to the reporting from the media.

Except there are six times as many whites as blacks in this country, not twice as many.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This was posted in the comments for OP's article:

For example, let's look at the weekly crime summary, which MCPD publishes on their website. The most recent is the report published on 2/18. It shows crimes, and if the suspect was not located, then a description of the suspect. I counted them up in cases where the race was listed:

13 black males, one Indian male. No white males. No Hispanic males. No women.

Now, I suppose one explanation is the witnesses and victims were misidentifying the race of the suspects, and the suspect was actually of a different race. But these are crimes all around the county, with different victims each time. I doubt they're all getting it wrong.

Maybe this was an anomaly. Let's look at the previous report, published on 2/6/20:
8 black males. No white males. No hispanic males. There was one woman of unknown race.

So, based on crime statistics, if there's a correlation between people who do bad things after graduating, and people who do bad things while still in school, then perhaps the numbers of black males suspended is actually disproportionately low?


I looked it up, and the data they refer to is here:
https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/pol/crime/summaries.html

Or cops let white guys and crying women off with a warning

And teachers treat black males so badly they drop out and sell pot to make money ... the same pot white men sell legally.

But crime summaries are based on victims reporting a crime, and the report by the victim or witnesses about the suspect. It's not arrests (where police could be subjective), just crime reports by victims.

The FBI victimization report (summary of race of offending by victim reporting) and the actual percentages of each race arrested and prosecuted for crimes match up almost exactly. The people committing the crimes are the people being arrested. If you look at the Washington Posts database on police shootings, blacks make up 25%, whites more than 50%, even though blacks commit close to 50% of all violent crime. In addition, in 2019 19 unarmed whites were shot by police compared to 9 blacks. These facts are in direct opposition to the reporting from the media.

Except there are six times as many whites as blacks in this country, not twice as many.

This is about MoCo, not the country overall. PP quoted MoCo police crime reports, which is more useful in a discussion about MCPS suspension policies.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This was posted in the comments for OP's article:

For example, let's look at the weekly crime summary, which MCPD publishes on their website. The most recent is the report published on 2/18. It shows crimes, and if the suspect was not located, then a description of the suspect. I counted them up in cases where the race was listed:

13 black males, one Indian male. No white males. No Hispanic males. No women.

Now, I suppose one explanation is the witnesses and victims were misidentifying the race of the suspects, and the suspect was actually of a different race. But these are crimes all around the county, with different victims each time. I doubt they're all getting it wrong.

Maybe this was an anomaly. Let's look at the previous report, published on 2/6/20:
8 black males. No white males. No hispanic males. There was one woman of unknown race.

So, based on crime statistics, if there's a correlation between people who do bad things after graduating, and people who do bad things while still in school, then perhaps the numbers of black males suspended is actually disproportionately low?


I looked it up, and the data they refer to is here:
https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/pol/crime/summaries.html

Or cops let white guys and crying women off with a warning

And teachers treat black males so badly they drop out and sell pot to make money ... the same pot white men sell legally.

But crime summaries are based on victims reporting a crime, and the report by the victim or witnesses about the suspect. It's not arrests (where police could be subjective), just crime reports by victims.

The FBI victimization report (summary of race of offending by victim reporting) and the actual percentages of each race arrested and prosecuted for crimes match up almost exactly. The people committing the crimes are the people being arrested. If you look at the Washington Posts database on police shootings, blacks make up 25%, whites more than 50%, even though blacks commit close to 50% of all violent crime. In addition, in 2019 19 unarmed whites were shot by police compared to 9 blacks. These facts are in direct opposition to the reporting from the media.

Except there are six times as many whites as blacks in this country, not twice as many.

But this was DC probably and the majority of the crime is black on black crime.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OMG I can't keep working for MCPS. When is central office going to realize what a train wreck schools are nowadays? I only teach at the elementary level and the disrespect I witness daily is appalling. I've sat through countless staff meetings on courageous conversations about race, institutional racism, color blindness...you name it. None of them have given us concrete strategies to implement. It's all come down to - we are mainly white privileged women who can't possibly understand our students.
I'm so tired of watching my colleagues cry about work, bend over backwards for kids and still take abuse daily from kids. Do county parents know that last year MCPS had the highest number of teachers out on long term mental health leave than they have ever had? I'm wondering if we will top that this year?

I agree 100%. Also, the school where I teach is majority African American and Hispanic with a high FARMS rate. There are around 4 white kids per grade level. There are a few more Asian kids than that. We have two students who have been suspended this year for initiating a physical fight. One is African American and one is Hispanic. It's not a matter of us "picking on them" or calling them out for something that others wouldn't be called out for--but if you look at the statistics it looks bad. They assaulted another child which should carry consequences. But it's simply a matter of numbers. If a white or Asian kid initiated a physical fight or assault they would be suspended as well. The interesting thing is that the kids that were suspended for physical fighting have physically assaulted others since then, but they received in school suspension (which teachers have to volunteer to supervise) instead of out of school suspension to avoid making it official for data purposes.

I have personally been abused by students and have been told by admin that I must have done something to provoke them and also that what happened probably wasn't as bad as I thought it was and just needed to sit down with the child to work out why they felt angry enough to throw something at me or call me derogatory names.

Then we have to read in the media that we're all just racist and out to get kids of color. This just feeds the frenzy because kids have learned they can call us racist if they're asked to do anything they don't want to do. I love and care about my students and have worked in the high FARMS population for the majority of my career, but I just don't think I can do it anymore. I need to start prioritizing my own mental and physical health. MCPS certainly doesn't give a sh*it.

NP. I'm sorry PP. I truly am disgusted with how teachers are treated here.I don't know how someone can effectively teach if they aren't empowered to lead and discipline their students.

[Anonymous]

Omg omg the sky is falling!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Omg omg the sky is falling!

Glad to see you're part of the solution, MCPS official (or maybe you're a realtor)? Anyone who works for, sends kids to, or lives in a house zoned for an MCPS school should be interested in improving the school system. This comment is just plain dismissive and dumb.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:In my experience white kids and black kids do the same goofy things. The difference is that when you step in to deal with it, you get much worse pushback and defiance from the AA kid than a comparable white kid. There is definitely room for training on this.

My problem with MCPS is that it rarely does any actual behavioral management training. The worst thing you can have with discipline is lack of consistency. Admin's response is often "build a relationship". That can be very hard in a hallway environment with lots of peers hanging around.

Case in point. I had some AA students walking down the hallway instead of going to lunch. I heard cursing and went out to ask them to go to lunch. Three of them completely ignore me. Another one turns around and immediately gets into a fighting stance with fists up. I retreat and back up with my palms up. I turn my body and try waving him over saying "hey man, I just want to chat". Kid continues to give me a serial killer look with his fists up. Eventually, his three peers turn him around laughing and continue walking down the hallway nonplussed. I have never had a reaction like that from any other group of students. It's gotten to the point, where I never engage with a group of AA males. Almost always one of them will make a show of it escalating the situation.

It can get scary. I was at a school with few AA students. When some AAs were playing around in the hall, teachers (mostly white) didn't address the behavior. They were too afraid of appearing racist.

In some cases, like yours, you have to back away b/c kids (all kids actually) will take advantage of the system's weak disciplinary measures and react. In the case above, I stopped them, explaining that while they were messing around, things sometimes escalate by accident and eventually lead into an actual fight. But I think I was just lucky!

I know the answer, but it's not what the PC system wants to hear. ALL kids need discipline and structure. Without rules, they never learn how to self-regulate. That's a basic SEL component necessary for every person at every stage of life.