Remind me why we hate Jon Gosselin?

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Anonymous wrote:Because she has full custody, she was able to put her child in a psychiatric facility and not inform the other parent? I didn't realize that was possible. Did the other kids not know where he was? Didn't they inform their father?

This is the part that makes no sense. Ive worked a lot of custody cases. Unless your rights are terminated you have a responsibility to keep healthcare and educational decisions duel informed. So even if Kate can make all the decisions she would have had to report his enrollment status to John assuming he had parental rights. He doesn't need custody to have access to this information.

There is a lot about the “Kate is evil, Jon is an innocent victim” narrative that makes no sense when you have any understanding of the law.

Hmm idk. My oldest kid is from a former marriage and his dad never sees him and isn’t involved in his life whatsoever. Even though he has parental rights, there’s a lot that’s happened in my kid’s (now a teen) life that he’s never consented to, was informed of or knows about. He doesn’t know my child and would never make an informed decision in his best interest, even if he wanted to, because he knows nothing about my son.

Now I’m not saying that Jon is the same kind of father. And considering that Collin now lives with him, he clearly wanted to be involved. But if I was able to make all types of decisions without my son’s dad’s permission or knowledge, I’m sure it’s possible.

But you admit that was because his dad chose to absent himself from his kid’s life, not because you blocked access. Even if you were making all of the decision, he would have had a right to information, and could have taken you to court to at least find out, for instance, which institution you’d had your child admitted to. He’s claiming he tried to stay involved but that Kate prevented him from getting that information, which doesn’t pass the smell test. Either he couldn’t get the information because he’d lost/given up his parental rights, or he could have gotten the information but chose not to.

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Anonymous wrote:Because she has full custody, she was able to put her child in a psychiatric facility and not inform the other parent? I didn't realize that was possible. Did the other kids not know where he was? Didn't they inform their father?

This is the part that makes no sense. Ive worked a lot of custody cases. Unless your rights are terminated you have a responsibility to keep healthcare and educational decisions duel informed. So even if Kate can make all the decisions she would have had to report his enrollment status to John assuming he had parental rights. He doesn't need custody to have access to this information.

There is a lot about the “Kate is evil, Jon is an innocent victim” narrative that makes no sense when you have any understanding of the law.

Hmm idk. My oldest kid is from a former marriage and his dad never sees him and isn’t involved in his life whatsoever. Even though he has parental rights, there’s a lot that’s happened in my kid’s (now a teen) life that he’s never consented to, was informed of or knows about. He doesn’t know my child and would never make an informed decision in his best interest, even if he wanted to, because he knows nothing about my son.

Now I’m not saying that Jon is the same kind of father. And considering that Collin now lives with him, he clearly wanted to be involved. But if I was able to make all types of decisions without my son’s dad’s permission or knowledge, I’m sure it’s possible.

But you admit that was because his dad chose to absent himself from his kid’s life, not because you blocked access. Even if you were making all of the decision, he would have had a right to information, and could have taken you to court to at least find out, for instance, which institution you’d had your child admitted to. He’s claiming he tried to stay involved but that Kate prevented him from getting that information, which doesn’t pass the smell test. Either he couldn’t get the information because he’d lost/given up his parental rights, or he could have gotten the information but chose not to.

He didn't give up parental rights. He also didn't have the money to fight her in court so he said he basically just accepted what visitation and information she would give him. For example he said in 2016 that she would let four of the kids see him one evening a week. He never knew which four were coming and didn't know if he would see the other four the next week. She had always controlled him - that was the dynamic in their relationship and it sounds like he just gave up trying to get input and accepted whatever she would throw his way. They had a custody agreement but she didn't always follow it and he says he didn't have the money to keep taking her back to court to get it enforced.

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Anonymous wrote:Because she has full custody, she was able to put her child in a psychiatric facility and not inform the other parent? I didn't realize that was possible. Did the other kids not know where he was? Didn't they inform their father?

This is the part that makes no sense. Ive worked a lot of custody cases. Unless your rights are terminated you have a responsibility to keep healthcare and educational decisions duel informed. So even if Kate can make all the decisions she would have had to report his enrollment status to John assuming he had parental rights. He doesn't need custody to have access to this information.

He might have had access to the information he couldn’t share publicly. He may also not have had a say in placement since he didn’t have custody.

It’s not about innocent or guilt. Personally I these kids should never have been on tv. The mom is an egocentric, obnoxious b. I would be happy never to see her or her kids on tv again. Sadly they’ve been warped and the twins will probably end up on some sad reality show at some point. Blech.

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Anonymous wrote:Jon actually signed away his parental rights to his children.

I wonder if he did this to avoid hefty child support payments.

Anyone who signs away their parental rights is garbage.

No, he didn't. What I saw reported is that she had full legal and they had joint physical. This is how she unilaterally got Collin commited. When you're dealing with a personality disorder you get backed into tough positions. He was there for 2 years, which is not an extreme amount of time to undo custody issues and commiment. And of course it costs a lot of $$.

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Anonymous wrote:Jon actually signed away his parental rights to his children.

I wonder if he did this to avoid hefty child support payments.

Anyone who signs away their parental rights is garbage.

People can't just sign away their rights. That's not how it works.

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Anonymous wrote:Jon actually signed away his parental rights to his children.

I wonder if he did this to avoid hefty child support payments.

Anyone who signs away their parental rights is garbage.

No, he didn't. What I saw reported is that she had full legal and they had joint physical. This is how she unilaterally got Collin commited. When you're dealing with a personality disorder you get backed into tough positions. He was there for 2 years, which is not an extreme amount of time to undo custody issues and commiment. And of course it costs a lot of $$.

Hospitalization programs are usually parents last resort, especially for young children. I really feel sorry for that kid. She didn’t send him away to a sn boarding school because that would allow him access to the outside world and his dad. She must have manipulated that hospital staff or they just wanted the money. Those places are rough. Only someone truly deranged would have put him there without letting him try living with the other parent.

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Anonymous wrote:Last I heard Jon was waiting tables. I know that he used to be in IT and Kate used to be a nurse...that was before TLC.

Now Kate is a reality t.v. show star and Jon is remarried with custody of 2 of the sextuplets.

I think Jon is bitter towards Kate. He wanted the divorce and I think he underestimated her star power and Kate's ability to support herself. I think he really thought that when he ended his involvement in the show that would be the end of it for Kate, too. They would become "normal" people again, figure out custody, split up assets...and go live there regular lives as regular people. He tried to go under the radar but Kate kept herself (and the kids) in the spotlight. Maybe he's come to terms with the fact that he is never going to have a normal life again, he'll always be recognizable...so now he can talk again. Might as well make the best of it.

Jon works fulltime in IT now.

Kate isn't a reality TV star. She desperately wants to be one, hence the fact she illegally filmed her children, but that ship has sailed. No one cares.

Jon isn't remarried. He has a long term girlfriend.

He didn't want the divorce. He wanted to quit the show, and Kate basically said...show or divorce. TLC offered him literally millions of dollars to stay married for the sake of the TV show.

He's talking now because a 10-year gag order on him has been lifted. And because his ex-wife dumped their 11 year old son in a psychiatric facility for years and refused to tell him where he was.

It sounds like he gave Kate an ultimatum. Quit the show/lose their income OR divorce him. Jon actually was the one calling the shots. He could have said that he wanted to greatly reduce his involvement or eliminate himself entirely from the show without divorcing Kate. But Jon was basically demanding that she quit the show, too, or he did not want to remain married.

Kate chose to stay on the show and continue to bring in the money that supported their children. Jon ran off and started sleeping around and playing the single guy. Oh, I remember well how he behaved...

Uhm, no, he wanted the kids to quit the show. They are his kids too.

O.k. He quit the show, divorced Kate but Kate and the kids continued on the show. So how did Jon divorcing Kate achieve anything other than Jon was then a single man who was free to go to bars and hook up with women...

Well Kate divorced him when he wouldn't film. I'm sure he didn't go into it thinking he will lose the legal battle. He sank almost 2 million into it and TLC paid for Kate. I'm sure the truth about that is somewhere in the middle but he has never wavered from his story that he didn't want the kids to film because he thought it was bad for them. She really likes the celebrity and the money it was bringing in and obviously didn't care about John's objections.

Well she must have disagreed with him and she apparently was able to keep herself and the kids on the show. That was their livelihood and Kate wasn't just going to chuck it out the window because Jon wanted her to. She must have found his request unreasonable and that is why she divorced him. Irreconcilable differences. It happens. Kate won in court and Jon needs to get over it.

I'm sure that Kate was not an easy person to be married to, I will give Jon that. But I also think that it was mainly Kate who kept a roof over their children's heads and food on the table. She gets credit for that.

PLENTY of people raise kids without whoring their children on TV day in and day out. They both had careers before they had children. She just liked the money and the spotlight. Do you normally consider yourself to be the tiebreaker and an ultimatum setter in your marriage? She won in court because she had more money (which is almost always the case) not because she was necessarily right. She could have compromised in some way, cut back the hours they were filming, excluded certain moments of their lives. But she said, "it's my way or the highway." I'm not trying to say John is an angel, but Kate is bat shit crazy.

If I had 8 kids to support and being on a reality t.v. show provided us good income, lots of high quality help for the kids, funded their educations....then, yeah, I wouldn't be so quick to chuck that all out the window.

Once Jon left he did little at all to support his kids. He was waiting tables and sleeping around. As a mother, I don't blame Kate a bit for being a bit uneasy about Jon's involvement in their children's lives. It sounds like he was more than willing to abdicate his responsibilities as a parent. Kate put herself and her kids first and pretty much gave Jon the big "Eff you!"

While I do think that Kate would have been a hard person to be married to - she is a total control freak. I do think that she gets credit for establishing the financial stability of their family. Kate does what she does well. Allowing Jon to blow up their lives and walk away with his half of it all would have hurt Kate and her kids. Of course she fought Jon.

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Anonymous wrote:Because she has full custody, she was able to put her child in a psychiatric facility and not inform the other parent? I didn't realize that was possible. Did the other kids not know where he was? Didn't they inform their father?

This is the part that makes no sense. Ive worked a lot of custody cases. Unless your rights are terminated you have a responsibility to keep healthcare and educational decisions duel informed. So even if Kate can make all the decisions she would have had to report his enrollment status to John assuming he had parental rights. He doesn't need custody to have access to this information.

There is a lot about the “Kate is evil, Jon is an innocent victim” narrative that makes no sense when you have any understanding of the law.

There's not any kind of regulatory body that ensures Parent A tells Parent B what is going on. If Kate chose not to tell Jon and he was too poor to afford a lawyer, this makes complete sense. Also, it's not as if he could call around to a variety of institutions to find his kid -- they wouldn't have been allowed to tell him.

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Anonymous wrote:Because she has full custody, she was able to put her child in a psychiatric facility and not inform the other parent? I didn't realize that was possible. Did the other kids not know where he was? Didn't they inform their father?

This is the part that makes no sense. Ive worked a lot of custody cases. Unless your rights are terminated you have a responsibility to keep healthcare and educational decisions duel informed. So even if Kate can make all the decisions she would have had to report his enrollment status to John assuming he had parental rights. He doesn't need custody to have access to this information.

There is a lot about the “Kate is evil, Jon is an innocent victim” narrative that makes no sense when you have any understanding of the law.

There's not any kind of regulatory body that ensures Parent A tells Parent B what is going on. If Kate chose not to tell Jon and he was too poor to afford a lawyer, this makes complete sense. Also, it's not as if he could call around to a variety of institutions to find his kid -- they wouldn't have been allowed to tell him.

Well, that's what you get when you put a person between a rock and a hard place with a ridiculous ultimatum.

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Anonymous wrote:He got Collin out of an institution, so I give him a TON of credit for that. What I don't understand is why he sounds so disempowered in a lot of interviews about child custody. But I know he was limited in what he could say, and that a parent (Kate) determined to institutionalize a child can really have a lot of power.

https://www.intouchweekly.com/posts/jon-gosselin-claims-son-collin-was-wrongly-institutionalized-on-dr-oz/

She had full custody. He did not. Colin was an obstacle to the image she wanted to project for the tv show. She couldn’t divorce him so she institutionalized him.

Jon has custody of 2 kids. Lucky them.

The kids wanted to be with their Dad.

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Anonymous wrote:Because she has full custody, she was able to put her child in a psychiatric facility and not inform the other parent? I didn't realize that was possible. Did the other kids not know where he was? Didn't they inform their father?

I think the other kids did not know where he was.

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Colins roommate smuggled a letter from Colin out to his Dad
and mailed it.

https://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-moms/news/jon-gosselins-son-collin-begged-him-to-save-him-from-institution/

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That whole situation went out of control for the whole family and fast. Lots of bad decisions. Overall, they never got the real help they needed,
actual help and lots of therapy early and often. You don't walk away from 8 kids. Then again, lots of stupid forced decisions and immaturity of the parents. They really needed someone to step in and provide help, guidance and therapy and this all could turn out so very different.
It is very sad what happened to them. Hard to judge Jon at the end but he is not without fault either.

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Anonymous wrote:Reading about what Kate did to Collin made me sick. She was strangely hostile to him specifically when he was little, and then to have him locked away...for ADHD? For years?! It’s medieval. So, yeah, I always thought Job was shallow and a dolt. But he’s head and shoulders better than that monster Kate. She has some kind of personality disorder or something.

I doubt he just had ADHD. I am thinking he has underlying attachment issues stemming from their infancy - nicu stay and being one of many babies for too few caregivers. This them effected his behavior and made he not controllable by Kate. It makes sense that he is doing better with John because their is less chaos and more focused time and attention for him. It might be the reason the daughter choose his house as well - less chaos, not just one of many, and so on.

Like all reality shows Jon was cast I a role and they edited the shows to make him fit into that role. Kate seems to be the same was she was in the original show as she is today - anxious and controlling.

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Kate’s latest IG post (well, from Oct 1) is crazy, and she’s getting slammed in the comments.

Not long for her now.