Why is hiring a nanny so vilified?

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Anonymous wrote:A nanny is more similar to a mother than a daycare worker. She gives kids lots of one on one attention in their own home. She is essentially replacing the role of a mother, whereas a daycare worker is doing a different job. I had a nanny for my kids and they were so much happier at home than in daycare when they were young. I don’t judge others who choose differently.


This is also part of the problem. Kids do prefer nanny over a daycare worker because kid long for a loving mother figure in their life.
Day care worker is a teacher and never pretend to be a mom, nanny though, although not pretending, gradually becomes more then mother to a kid because it is her who usually spends more time with them then a mom, working mom is usually tired and can often appear to a child as less caring, due to no fault of hers. At the end of the day, kids are happier with nannies but in a long run both kids and mothers oftentimes pay for
the lack of true bond that nanny in a way absorbs and takes away with her when she leaves. You can ask the over 50 forum for some feedback on this, ask those who have grown up kids, as what do they think and what would they do if they had a do over option.
Outsourcing mothering is oftentimes necessary for many reasons however it, like many things in life that are meant to make life easier, come with price. That price oftentimes is far removed in time so you can not see immediate impact.


Or, you can look at actually scientific studies that show there is no difference in outcome for SAHM/nannies/daycare for kids.

But, feel free to judge away.


Scientific studies DO show a difference.
If there is a parent who is poor and single, then it is better for that parent to work and kids to go to subsidized daycare. It’s not good for kids to grow up in poverty or with food insecurity.
If there are two married parents, and they are middle class or upper middle class (I guess the wealthy didn’t volunteer for the studies), then it’s better to have a SAH parent for the first few years of a child’s life. Kids do better in school, have fewer behavioral problems, etc.
There are also some daycares that are better than others. Kids do better when they go to high quality daycares than lower quality daycares. This is why childcare should be subsidized even for the middle class. These studies exist, but they are not politically favorable, so they aren’t publicized.

Are you saying that a bunch of secret studies support your position?


No. Not secret. And not a position Just a fact. Here is a huge meta-analysis published a few years ago by the American Psychological Association.
https://www.apa.org/pubs/journals/releases/bul-136-6-915.pdf


From this article:
"Taken together, the results of these analyses suggest that maternal employment early in a child’s life is not commonly associated with decreases in later achievement or increases in behavior problems. The associations between achievement and behavior problems and maternal employment are predominately nonsignificant, small even when significant, both positive and negative in direction, and moderated by both family and contextual variables."

In other words, ignore the fools on DCUM and do what works for you.


Not associated with decreases in achievement or increases in behavior problems. These are significant but my goals for my kids included a lot more than that.

You, or perhaps others, sometimes cite scientific evidence that daycare is not bad for children, you may be the poster who also claims daycare is actually good for children. I see the issue quite differently, after having raised two kids well into adulthood, having worked as a daycare provider for a few years when my kids were young, and also worked for many years with children, now.

It seems that you are very defensive about this which tells me perhaps you are not that sure of your position. Calling others fools for not agreeing with you makes me more sure of that.


I think people who judge others for decisions about their families where science tells us there is not a right or wrong choice are pretty foolish. I'm saying do what works for you honey. You may have your own opinions but that's all they are - your opinions. You actually don't know better than everyone else.
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You can safely ignore the PP who posts the meta analysis study link. She does this frequently. What she posts is literally contradicted by her own link, but she doesn't understand that, or any response pointing how she is wrong out. Also I stayed home when my kids were younger (except for one of them) and they are much older now so I don't have a personal stake in this. I just hate how she uses her shoddy understanding of science and imaginary studies to berate vulnerable new mothers.
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I was not vilified for hiring a nanny but have been absolutely vilified because I fired her.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:You can safely ignore the PP who posts the meta analysis study link. She does this frequently. What she posts is literally contradicted by her own link, but she doesn't understand that, or any response pointing how she is wrong out. Also I stayed home when my kids were younger (except for one of them) and they are much older now so I don't have a personal stake in this. I just hate how she uses her shoddy understanding of science and imaginary studies to berate vulnerable new mothers.


As long as you see any evidence of positives of babies being home with their parents as “berating new mothers,” there will never be better parental leave policies in this country.

Attitudes like yours are the reason these studies are either not done, not publicized, or twisted and misquoted. There doesn’t need to be a conspiracy to keep these “secret.” We do it ourselves.
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Anonymous wrote:You can safely ignore the PP who posts the meta analysis study link. She does this frequently. What she posts is literally contradicted by her own link, but she doesn't understand that, or any response pointing how she is wrong out. Also I stayed home when my kids were younger (except for one of them) and they are much older now so I don't have a personal stake in this. I just hate how she uses her shoddy understanding of science and imaginary studies to berate vulnerable new mothers.


As long as you see any evidence of positives of babies being home with their parents as “berating new mothers,” there will never be better parental leave policies in this country.

Attitudes like yours are the reason these studies are either not done, not publicized, or twisted and misquoted. There doesn’t need to be a conspiracy to keep these “secret.” We do it ourselves.


There have literally been around 60 years of studies, many of them trying hard to prove one way or the other is better because there's a lot of money in books shaming women. But as it turns out, the data just isn't there. In comparison, the data is there for things like untreated mental illness, alcoholism, etc. for things that harm women and babies. The fact there isn't a study to back up your desire to shame women is too bad for you, but do not pretend maternal employment hasn't been extensively studied. You just like to berate new mothers.
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Daycare is the equivalent of an institution raising your baby. A nanny is a much more intimate option. There’s the chance that the child will bond more with the nanny than his parents which gets parents very defensive. There’s no such risk with daycare. The revolving door of daycare teachers means the baby will never get too attached and the parental bond will remain stronger than the others.
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Anonymous wrote:You can safely ignore the PP who posts the meta analysis study link. She does this frequently. What she posts is literally contradicted by her own link, but she doesn't understand that, or any response pointing how she is wrong out. Also I stayed home when my kids were younger (except for one of them) and they are much older now so I don't have a personal stake in this. I just hate how she uses her shoddy understanding of science and imaginary studies to berate vulnerable new mothers.


As long as you see any evidence of positives of babies being home with their parents as “berating new mothers,” there will never be better parental leave policies in this country.

Attitudes like yours are the reason these studies are either not done, not publicized, or twisted and misquoted. There doesn’t need to be a conspiracy to keep these “secret.” We do it ourselves.


I also don’t post this all of the time. I posted it one other time after reading an article in working mother magazine, then looking up the study myself. The magazine article touted the benefits of working moms without mentioning they didn’t affect the typical demographic of their magazine.
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Hiring a nanny is vilified because everything about parenting is *hard* and people need to feel superior in their choices.

My kid is currently at a daycare center. I can afford a nanny, and I'm thinking about hiring one to try to combat the endless parade of minor illnesses (hence why I'm browsing this forum) and missed work. That said, I also don't know how to trust a relative stranger alone with my baby and I like the accountability of having multiple instructors around at daycare (not judgment for nanny families; more like PPA on my end), nor am I crazy about pulling her from an environment she seems to really love. Part of me would like to stay home, which is doable but I'd be miserable and though not starving, a lot less financially comfortable than I would like to be. It doesn't seem like there's any perfect option. I don't feel the need to do this myself, but I do kind of understand people needing to look down on other options to make their choice feel right. If what you're doing works for you, just ignore the criticism.
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Anonymous wrote:I personally believe strongly that the best possible childcare arrangement for infants and toddlers is a parent home with them. Second I would put a loving relative caring for them. Third I would put a nanny, because there's a chance a nanny will bond with the child to the degree that they love the child almost like they were related. Despite what some WOHM think I don't believe there's much chance of that in a daycare situation.

I'd also say people disparage having a nanny because it costs so much and the average person does not have that as an option, so it seems very elitist to some
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This.
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First of all, no one cares about what childcare arrangement you had as your kids get a little older. Seriously, zero f*cks.

Some people see the nanny as a status symbol. I wonder if people who say this have issues.

Do what works for your family, and trust other families to do the same.
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Anonymous wrote:I personally believe strongly that the best possible childcare arrangement for infants and toddlers is a parent home with them. Second I would put a loving relative caring for them. Third I would put a nanny, because there's a chance a nanny will bond with the child to the degree that they love the child almost like they were related. Despite what some WOHM think I don't believe there's much chance of that in a daycare situation.

I'd also say people disparage having a nanny because it costs so much and the average person does not have that as an option, so it seems very elitist to some.


I am a WOHM and I agree with this 100%. I am extremely privileged in that I was given long maternity leaves, flexible schedules which meant we only needed 25-30 hours of childcare per week, a reliable and loving nanny, and frequent and long visits by grandparents to provide oversight, and the financial freedom to quit if any of those things ever changed. I wish everyone could have these choices.
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Anonymous wrote:I was not vilified for hiring a nanny but have been absolutely vilified because I fired her.



Why did you fire her? Now I’m really curious!


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Anonymous wrote:I’ve heard several moms make nasty comments about parents who hire nannies. I’ve seen many celebrities comment that they are active parents so don’t have nannies so I’m like, who is watching your kids while you work? Travel?

It’s beyond the working parent vs. stay-at-home parent battle.

A mom in our mom group made a nasty comment about “raising her own kids” so she didn’t hire a nanny. Yet her kids are in daycare for the same amount of hours my kid is with their nanny?



Because you're lazy.
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Anonymous wrote:I’ve heard several moms make nasty comments about parents who hire nannies. I’ve seen many celebrities comment that they are active parents so don’t have nannies so I’m like, who is watching your kids while you work? Travel?

It’s beyond the working parent vs. stay-at-home parent battle.

A mom in our mom group made a nasty comment about “raising her own kids” so she didn’t hire a nanny. Yet her kids are in daycare for the same amount of hours my kid is with their nanny?



Because you're lazy.




Your comment makes no sense.
Anonymous
I think it is because you are signaling class and wealth when mentioning your nanny.

I have seen stay at home people make comments that everyone should do it their way.

Both sorts of comments can be seen as elitist. Not everyone can choose to not earn and income and stay home with kids.
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