Illegal immigration / undocumented workers explain???

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Illegal immigration has a hugely negative impact on schools.

All those candidate website except Bidens said they are for amnesty. Terrible policy.

That is true, but Biden is in favor of doing nothing at all, which only lets the problem grow bigger and bigger.

Biden was apart of the administration with the most effective deportation system. The laws that govern deportation work as is but can be improved (ie allowing families to be held together for much longer, ensuring that families are deported together not separately, deported straight from the courtroom or as soon as the deportation is ordered, law enforcement goes to their last known address to deport) so that people dont languish for years after being ordered deported .

There can be improvements to other areas of immigration but Presodent Obama's administration did well in this area.

I agree.

The neo-liberals want to throw out the baby with the bathwater. We never learn from past efforts . . .

[Anonymous]

The neo cons are fine with babies having no bath water. Whether or not illegal immigration is a political dog whistle can't we as a great nation with great people figure out a humane way to address the situation?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Illegal immigration has a hugely negative impact on schools.

All those candidate website except Bidens said they are for amnesty. Terrible policy.

That is true, but Biden is in favor of doing nothing at all, which only lets the problem grow bigger and bigger.

Biden was apart of the administration with the most effective deportation system. The laws that govern deportation work as is but can be improved (ie allowing families to be held together for much longer, ensuring that families are deported together not separately, deported straight from the courtroom or as soon as the deportation is ordered, law enforcement goes to their last known address to deport) so that people dont languish for years after being ordered deported .

There can be improvements to other areas of immigration but Presodent Obama's administration did well in this area.

I agree.

The neo-liberals want to throw out the baby with the bathwater. We never learn from past efforts . . .

The problem we have now is the problem Obama and Biden created.

They promised to prioritize immigration reform, and didn't deliver.

They approved a joke of an executive order, which Trump reversed with a simple signature.

Meanwhile, they separated millions of families while NOT solving the problem.

Kicking the can forward and making it bigger is "doing well"?

I'm afraind you have no idea what you are talking about.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The neo cons are fine with babies having no bath water. Whether or not illegal immigration is a political dog whistle can't we as a great nation with great people figure out a humane way to address the situation?

Tell it to Nancy Pelosi.
There are simple fixes to our immigration laws that would greatly discourage people from coming. She won't allow a bill to be presented or even discussed.

Lindsey Graham proposed a bill the day before the Senate recessed. The Democrats did everything in their power to prevent it from coming up for a vote.
It will be voted on by the full Senate when they return.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/08/01/immigration-lindsay-grahams-bill-limit-asylum-clears-senate-panel/1887647001/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The neo cons are fine with babies having no bath water. Whether or not illegal immigration is a political dog whistle can't we as a great nation with great people figure out a humane way to address the situation?

As a nation we dont have a common definition of "humane." Those on the far left think that any deportations are inhumane as evidenced by the protesters demanding that Biden apologize for following the law and carrying out deportations. Mind you under President Obama they mostly deported criminals so what we have here is people demanding that Biden apologize for deporting convicted criminals and even make plans to reverse their deportations and bring them back.

Obviously children should not be separated from parents caged but outside of that there is not consensus on what is humane.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Illegal immigration has a hugely negative impact on schools.

All those candidate website except Bidens said they are for amnesty. Terrible policy.

That is true, but Biden is in favor of doing nothing at all, which only lets the problem grow bigger and bigger.

Biden was apart of the administration with the most effective deportation system. The laws that govern deportation work as is but can be improved (ie allowing families to be held together for much longer, ensuring that families are deported together not separately, deported straight from the courtroom or as soon as the deportation is ordered, law enforcement goes to their last known address to deport) so that people dont languish for years after being ordered deported .

There can be improvements to other areas of immigration but Presodent Obama's administration did well in this area.

I agree.

The neo-liberals want to throw out the baby with the bathwater. We never learn from past efforts . . .

The problem we have now is the problem Obama and Biden created.

They promised to prioritize immigration reform, and didn't deliver.

They approved a joke of an executive order, which Trump reversed with a simple signature.

Meanwhile, they separated millions of families while NOT solving the problem.

Kicking the can forward and making it bigger is "doing well"?

I'm afraind you have no idea what you are talking about.

President Obama did prioritize immigration reform and even deported 3 million people to show he was serious on the enforcement side. Republicans blocked any sort of compromise.

What was the executive order you're referring to? DACA? While I really liked president Obama that was fair game. Any executive order a president signed can be undone by the next president. He did the best he could with what he had. People should be grateful for that as he didn't have to do that either.

You're going to have to explain what separating families means. How did the Obama administration do that?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Illegal immigration has a hugely negative impact on schools.

All those candidate website except Bidens said they are for amnesty. Terrible policy.

That is true, but Biden is in favor of doing nothing at all, which only lets the problem grow bigger and bigger.

Biden was apart of the administration with the most effective deportation system. The laws that govern deportation work as is but can be improved (ie allowing families to be held together for much longer, ensuring that families are deported together not separately, deported straight from the courtroom or as soon as the deportation is ordered, law enforcement goes to their last known address to deport) so that people dont languish for years after being ordered deported .

There can be improvements to other areas of immigration but Presodent Obama's administration did well in this area.

I agree.

The neo-liberals want to throw out the baby with the bathwater. We never learn from past efforts . . .

The problem we have now is the problem Obama and Biden created.

They promised to prioritize immigration reform, and didn't deliver.

They approved a joke of an executive order, which Trump reversed with a simple signature.

Meanwhile, they separated millions of families while NOT solving the problem.

Kicking the can forward and making it bigger is "doing well"?

I'm afraind you have no idea what you are talking about.

President Obama did prioritize immigration reform and even deported 3 million people to show he was serious on the enforcement side. Republicans blocked any sort of compromise.

What was the executive order you're referring to? DACA? While I really liked president Obama that was fair game. Any executive order a president signed can be undone by the next president. He did the best he could with what he had. People should be grateful for that as he didn't have to do that either.

You're going to have to explain what separating families means. How did the Obama administration do that?

Obama/ Biden deported over one million parents of American children.

How's that for separating families, our lovely friend?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Illegal immigration has a hugely negative impact on schools.

All those candidate website except Bidens said they are for amnesty. Terrible policy.

That is true, but Biden is in favor of doing nothing at all, which only lets the problem grow bigger and bigger.

Biden was apart of the administration with the most effective deportation system. The laws that govern deportation work as is but can be improved (ie allowing families to be held together for much longer, ensuring that families are deported together not separately, deported straight from the courtroom or as soon as the deportation is ordered, law enforcement goes to their last known address to deport) so that people dont languish for years after being ordered deported .

There can be improvements to other areas of immigration but Presodent Obama's administration did well in this area.

I agree.

The neo-liberals want to throw out the baby with the bathwater. We never learn from past efforts . . .

The problem we have now is the problem Obama and Biden created.

They promised to prioritize immigration reform, and didn't deliver.

They approved a joke of an executive order, which Trump reversed with a simple signature.

Meanwhile, they separated millions of families while NOT solving the problem.

Kicking the can forward and making it bigger is "doing well"?

I'm afraind you have no idea what you are talking about.

President Obama did prioritize immigration reform and even deported 3 million people to show he was serious on the enforcement side. Republicans blocked any sort of compromise.

What was the executive order you're referring to? DACA? While I really liked president Obama that was fair game. Any executive order a president signed can be undone by the next president. He did the best he could with what he had. People should be grateful for that as he didn't have to do that either.

You're going to have to explain what separating families means. How did the Obama administration do that?

Obama/ Biden deported over one million parents of American children.

How's that for separating families, our lovely friend?

They were free to take their children with them to their country of origin.

You dont get to have kids to evade laws.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Illegal immigration has a hugely negative impact on schools.

All those candidate website except Bidens said they are for amnesty. Terrible policy.

That is true, but Biden is in favor of doing nothing at all, which only lets the problem grow bigger and bigger.

Biden was apart of the administration with the most effective deportation system. The laws that govern deportation work as is but can be improved (ie allowing families to be held together for much longer, ensuring that families are deported together not separately, deported straight from the courtroom or as soon as the deportation is ordered, law enforcement goes to their last known address to deport) so that people dont languish for years after being ordered deported .

There can be improvements to other areas of immigration but Presodent Obama's administration did well in this area.

I agree.

The neo-liberals want to throw out the baby with the bathwater. We never learn from past efforts . . .

The problem we have now is the problem Obama and Biden created.

They promised to prioritize immigration reform, and didn't deliver.

They approved a joke of an executive order, which Trump reversed with a simple signature.

Meanwhile, they separated millions of families while NOT solving the problem.

Kicking the can forward and making it bigger is "doing well"?

I'm afraind you have no idea what you are talking about.

FALSE. Under Obama, the house republicans blocked immigration reform. try again. https://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2018/jan/26/ronald-brownstein/did-senators-pass-immigration-reform-bills-2006-20/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The neo cons are fine with babies having no bath water. Whether or not illegal immigration is a political dog whistle can't we as a great nation with great people figure out a humane way to address the situation?

As a nation we dont have a common definition of "humane." Those on the far left think that any deportations are inhumane as evidenced by the protesters demanding that Biden apologize for following the law and carrying out deportations. Mind you under President Obama they mostly deported criminals so what we have here is people demanding that Biden apologize for deporting convicted criminals and even make plans to reverse their deportations and bring them back.

Obviously children should not be separated from parents caged but outside of that there is not consensus on what is humane.

we have a consensus on what is humane and Trump/miller are gleefully violating it. It takes a lot of cojones (or dishonesty) to turn around and claim that opposition to this inhumanity means democrats are pro-open borders.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Illegal immigration has a hugely negative impact on schools.

All those candidate website except Bidens said they are for amnesty. Terrible policy.

That is true, but Biden is in favor of doing nothing at all, which only lets the problem grow bigger and bigger.

Biden was apart of the administration with the most effective deportation system. The laws that govern deportation work as is but can be improved (ie allowing families to be held together for much longer, ensuring that families are deported together not separately, deported straight from the courtroom or as soon as the deportation is ordered, law enforcement goes to their last known address to deport) so that people dont languish for years after being ordered deported .

There can be improvements to other areas of immigration but Presodent Obama's administration did well in this area.

I agree.

The neo-liberals want to throw out the baby with the bathwater. We never learn from past efforts . . .

The problem we have now is the problem Obama and Biden created.

They promised to prioritize immigration reform, and didn't deliver.

They approved a joke of an executive order, which Trump reversed with a simple signature.

Meanwhile, they separated millions of families while NOT solving the problem.

Kicking the can forward and making it bigger is "doing well"?

I'm afraind you have no idea what you are talking about.

President Obama did prioritize immigration reform and even deported 3 million people to show he was serious on the enforcement side. Republicans blocked any sort of compromise.

What was the executive order you're referring to? DACA? While I really liked president Obama that was fair game. Any executive order a president signed can be undone by the next president. He did the best he could with what he had. People should be grateful for that as he didn't have to do that either.

You're going to have to explain what separating families means. How did the Obama administration do that?

Obama/ Biden deported over one million parents of American children.

How's that for separating families, our lovely friend?

Catch and release - That was his thing.

The biggest issue he faced were the unaccompanied minors around 2014 (?). We had to take them in.

But if you don't allow illegal immigrants to enter, you're not growing the problem. We are growing the problem b/c the sides are fighting.

Which one of you Ds slammed Obama for his policy? Overall, I don't remember anyone criticizing it for being inhumane. Based on personal experience, however, my school at the time re-allocated funding b/c we needed an additional ESOL teacher. That's when turf wars started and hell broke loose each week. I heard complaints then - and plenty of them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The neo cons are fine with babies having no bath water. Whether or not illegal immigration is a political dog whistle can't we as a great nation with great people figure out a humane way to address the situation?

As a nation we dont have a common definition of "humane." Those on the far left think that any deportations are inhumane as evidenced by the protesters demanding that Biden apologize for following the law and carrying out deportations. Mind you under President Obama they mostly deported criminals so what we have here is people demanding that Biden apologize for deporting convicted criminals and even make plans to reverse their deportations and bring them back.

Obviously children should not be separated from parents caged but outside of that there is not consensus on what is humane.

we have a consensus on what is humane and Trump/miller are gleefully violating it. It takes a lot of cojones (or dishonesty) to turn around and claim that opposition to this inhumanity means democrats are pro-open borders.

Please link to where this common definition is? I've already said caging and separating children is inhumane but the opposite - protesting the deportation of criminals - is insane.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Illegal immigration has a hugely negative impact on schools.

All those candidate website except Bidens said they are for amnesty. Terrible policy.

That is true, but Biden is in favor of doing nothing at all, which only lets the problem grow bigger and bigger.

Biden was apart of the administration with the most effective deportation system. The laws that govern deportation work as is but can be improved (ie allowing families to be held together for much longer, ensuring that families are deported together not separately, deported straight from the courtroom or as soon as the deportation is ordered, law enforcement goes to their last known address to deport) so that people dont languish for years after being ordered deported .

There can be improvements to other areas of immigration but Presodent Obama's administration did well in this area.

I agree.

The neo-liberals want to throw out the baby with the bathwater. We never learn from past efforts . . .

The problem we have now is the problem Obama and Biden created.

They promised to prioritize immigration reform, and didn't deliver.

They approved a joke of an executive order, which Trump reversed with a simple signature.

Meanwhile, they separated millions of families while NOT solving the problem.

Kicking the can forward and making it bigger is "doing well"?

I'm afraind you have no idea what you are talking about.

FALSE. Under Obama, the house republicans blocked immigration reform. try again. https://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2018/jan/26/ronald-brownstein/did-senators-pass-immigration-reform-bills-2006-20/

Oh come on.

Obama had EIGHT years to negotiate a compromise. To offer A in exchange of B. And to fix the mess.

He didn't. He only made the bad worse. In ways crueler than Trump. But the media gave him a free pass because why oh why?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a democrat and wish there were humane but common sense immigration reforms to include stronger enforcement along the border, no family separation during detention, real consequences for employers of undocumented employees, realistic numbers of temporary work visas that include STEM professions and also blue collar workers in key industries like agriculture, construction, etc.

I supported DACA because at some point we need to invest in kids who were raised here and let them contribute as employable, tax-paying would-be citizen.

I've spent many years in and around Latin America and have met so many people who have worked illegally in the U.S. and then gone back to their home countries (voluntarily or by deportation).

Most really don't want to live forever in the U.S. They get "stuck" there because of their illegal status and often live relatively lonely lives while losing contact with home. I think if they had, say, a five-year work visa tied to an industry (not to a specific employer) that allowed them to travel and return, they would be much more likely to maintain ties in their home countries and more likely to leave at the end of the visa.

Regarding DACA- who better to go back and make changes for the betterment of their countries than someone who has an American education and understanding of how our system works?

Regarding not wanting to live in the US - a Marshall Plan type of investment would be the best way to address this. We need to make their countries liveable so they dont come here. This would only work when coupled with strict border and Visa enforcement and no benefits for being here illegally

+1 NP Lifelong Dem here who is in same boat as OP. I would also consider eliminating birthright citizenship. There should be citizenship verification for every service that receives federal dollars including school. We should not deny services but we should check.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The neo cons are fine with babies having no bath water. Whether or not illegal immigration is a political dog whistle can't we as a great nation with great people figure out a humane way to address the situation?

As a nation we dont have a common definition of "humane." Those on the far left think that any deportations are inhumane as evidenced by the protesters demanding that Biden apologize for following the law and carrying out deportations. Mind you under President Obama they mostly deported criminals so what we have here is people demanding that Biden apologize for deporting convicted criminals and even make plans to reverse their deportations and bring them back.

Obviously children should not be separated from parents caged but outside of that there is not consensus on what is humane.

we have a consensus on what is humane and Trump/miller are gleefully violating it. It takes a lot of cojones (or dishonesty) to turn around and claim that opposition to this inhumanity means democrats are pro-open borders.

Did you watch the first set of debates? Have you looked at the candidates websites?

Promoting illegal immigrants and decriminalizing crossing the US border illegally is pretty much equivalent to open borders.