The SSPX now has a Church in Washington DC

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:BTW, Archbishop Marcel Lefebre( founder of the SSPX) worked for years in Africa and lost his father in a Nazi concentration camp

BTW, SSPX has a LONG history of anti-semitism, including in this thread.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For the SSPX poster:

Do you acknowledge that Jorge Bergoglio/Francis is the Roman Pontiff, the Pope, the successor to St. Peter, the Vicar of Christ on earth?

Are you familiar with the tradition, expressed in CIC 333 sec. 3 that "no appeal or recourse is permitted against a sentence or decree of the Roman Pontiff," and do you accept that law as binding?

Are you familiar with the tradition, expressed in CIC 1404, that "the First See [the Pope] is judged by no one," and do you accept that law as binding?

Assuming the responses to the foregoing are in the affirmative, whence do you purport to derive standing or authority to question any act of the Roman Pontiff, including but not limited to the declaration of sanctity of Pope John Paul II?

1. Francis is the Pope
2. I am familiar with this and this is true. But it’s also true that the Church is indefectible and cant contradict itself. As Fr. Gleize points out, this is the dilemma we are in
3. The Pope can not be judged by men as such, but we can not follow him if he teaches error. Vatican 1 is very clear in stating that the Pope can not teach new doctrine

These things have to be read in the light of the entire Tradition. Vatican 1 does not teach that a Pope can do whatever he wants and there are theologians who say that canonizations do not fall under infallibility.

Put the SSPX to the side for a moment. Think about this. Fr. Aidan Nichols O. P( a mainstream Catholic theologian at Oxford) was one of the main authors of a recent letter accusing Francis of heresy. If “the Pope is to be judged by no one” meant what you think it means, Fr. Nichols wouldn’t dare do what he did. You do not know Catholic Tradition better than he does

again, what makes you & yours the sole arbiters of when the church contradicts itself? if all it takes is a few whacko dissident theologians to declare that the Church contradicted itself, then how can that be your purported Tradition? give up, just declare a schism.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:BTW, Archbishop Marcel Lefebre( founder of the SSPX) worked for years in Africa and lost his father in a Nazi concentration camp

BTW, SSPX has a LONG history of anti-semitism, including in this thread.

Something you can chew over in the purifying fires for eternity.

[Anonymous]

The problem with SSPX is that they believe that in following old traditions that it makes them better than others. Which I certainly reject.

They also believe that these traditional practices will bring people back to the church. All it does is attract more people like themselves, but those numbers are in no way equal to the numbers of mainstream Catholics are. The fringe is not going to save the church, no matter how many vocations they have compared to diocesan and other orders.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The SSPX poster here certainly sounds schismatic. Does SSPX recognize this Pope’s ability to speak ex cathedra infallibly? Seems unlikely.

SSPX:Mainstream Catholicism::Upper Marlboro:Washington DC

You're inability to have a basic, ooen discussion with SSPX shows your hate filled animus for things Catholic, untainted by modernist heresies. God have mercy on your soul...

[Anonymous]

Wow, this does NOT make Catholicism sound attractive.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The SSPX poster here certainly sounds schismatic. Does SSPX recognize this Pope’s ability to speak ex cathedra infallibly? Seems unlikely.

SSPX:Mainstream Catholicism::Upper Marlboro:Washington DC

You're inability to have a basic, ooen discussion with SSPX shows your hate filled animus for things Catholic, untainted by modernist heresies. God have mercy on your soul...

This

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The problem with SSPX is that they believe that in following old traditions that it makes them better than others. Which I certainly reject.

They also believe that these traditional practices will bring people back to the church. All it does is attract more people like themselves, but those numbers are in no way equal to the numbers of mainstream Catholics are. The fringe is not going to save the church, no matter how many vocations they have compared to diocesan and other orders.

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:BTW, Archbishop Marcel Lefebre( founder of the SSPX) worked for years in Africa and lost his father in a Nazi concentration camp

BTW, SSPX has a LONG history of anti-semitism, including in this thread.

Something you can chew over in the purifying fires for eternity.

Jesus, lady. Take a snack break.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

If by growing you mean a push for female members to have lots of births, sure.

What's wrong with women choosing to have "lots of births?"

And what's wrong with suggesting or accepting and supporting that as a worthy vocation for women, who are the only ones with the capacity to bear children?

Do you seriously believe that in this day and age any woman in the USA can be "pushed" into involuntary reproduction? Multiple times?

The planet cannot hold the numbers of people already here. We need to shrink the population, not increase it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

If by growing you mean a push for female members to have lots of births, sure.

What's wrong with women choosing to have "lots of births?"

And what's wrong with suggesting or accepting and supporting that as a worthy vocation for women, who are the only ones with the capacity to bear children?

Do you seriously believe that in this day and age any woman in the USA can be "pushed" into involuntary reproduction? Multiple times?

The planet cannot hold the numbers of people already here. We need to shrink the population, not increase it.

Myth and nonsense

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The problem with SSPX is that they believe that in following old traditions that it makes them better than others. Which I certainly reject.

They also believe that these traditional practices will bring people back to the church. All it does is attract more people like themselves, but those numbers are in no way equal to the numbers of mainstream Catholics are. The fringe is not going to save the church, no matter how many vocations they have compared to diocesan and other orders.

+1

This is such a good point. They always tout their rate of growth, but they will never grow as fast as the rate of decline due to mainstream Catholics leaving the Catholic Church. (I'm tired so I hope this point is clear.) I guess maybe they are OK with that - they want a smaller "purer" church. But someone's got to pay the bills / fill the churches / fill the schools. The whole infrastructure of the church would collapse without the mainstream folks.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The SSPX poster here certainly sounds schismatic. Does SSPX recognize this Pope’s ability to speak ex cathedra infallibly? Seems unlikely.

SSPX:Mainstream Catholicism::Upper Marlboro:Washington DC

You're inability to have a basic, ooen discussion with SSPX shows your hate filled animus for things Catholic, untainted by modernist heresies. God have mercy on your soul...

This

How on earth does that post show hate? It merely suggests that there is a distance between SSPX and mainstream catholicism— which I don’t think the SSPX poster would even argue with if you replaced “mainstream catholicism” with “the pope’s catholicism”.

Is that what makes the post tainted and full of hate— suggesting that the pope is in the mainstream of catholicism?

[Anonymous]

It amazes me how many so called stupid Catholics there are in this country. They go along with all the Abuses and Abominations in the Church like Communion in the Hand, so called Liturgical Ministers and even Abortion. Communion in the Hand like Monkeys, and Liturgical Ministers giving out communion to the congregation, while the lazy priest sits down is all Protestant. Catholics never did this. These then have the nerve to condemn the Society of St. Pius X, which has keep the Catholic faith alive for almost 50 years. I am from a Protestant Family and I know the Truth!

[Anonymous]

You know the truth. Many Catholics are blind. 65% don't believe in the True Presence because the English version of the Mass is basically Protestant. You need a road map to find the Blessed Sacrament. The clergy are ignorant and don't preach the truth. The Bishops are not worth two cents. They are weak and go along with terrible abuses or just look away. Thank God for the SSPX! They are doing the work of God.