Golly, that was a substantive response. |
Again, wrong. First, Vatican 2 issued no dogmatic definitions and no anathemas. Nothing that it teaches is binding on anyone. The other point is the the Holy Spirit can never contradict Himself. That being the case, anything in Vatican 2 that contradicts previously defined teaching must be rejected automatically. There are even mainstream priests today who argue it should be ignored or drawn back. The majority theologians say that canonizations are infallible but there has never been any proclamation from the Church on the question. And as Fr. Jean-Michel Gleize( professor of ecclesiology at Econej points out “If John Paul II is a saint, his theology must be irreproachable, down to the smallest detail. Indeed, the virtue of faith at heroic levels implies a perfect docility to the entire spirit of the Magisterium, and not only to the letter of the teachings of infallible Magisterium and to the lowest common denominator of mandatory dogmas. If John Paul II is truly a saint, the Catholic faithful must recognize that the Catholic Church and the Orthodox communities are sister churches, responsible together for safeguarding the one Church of God[1]. They must therefore reprove the example of Josaphat Kuncewicz, archbishop of Polotsk (1580–1623). Converted from Orthodoxy, he published a Defence of the unity of the Church in 1617, in which he reproached the Orthodox for breaking the unity of the Church of God, exciting the hatred of these schismatics who martyred him. If John Paul II is truly a saint, the Catholic faithful must recognize the Anglicans as brothers and sisters in Christ and express this recognition by praying together[2]. They must also condemn the example of Edmund Campion (1540–1581), who refused to pray with the Anglican minister, at the time of his martyrdom. If John Paul II is truly a saint, the Catholic faithful must hold that what divides Catholics and Protestants—that is, the reality of the holy and propitiatory Sacrifice of the Mass, the reality of the universal mediation of the Most Blessed Virgin Mary, the reality of the Catholic priesthood, the reality of the primacy of jurisdiction of the Bishop of Rome—is minimal in comparison to that which unites them[3]. They must therefore condemn the example of the Capuchin Fidelis of Sigmaringen (1578–1622) who was martyred by the Protestant reformers, to whom he had been sent as a missionary and for whom he wrote a Disputatio against Protestant ministers, on the subject of the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass. If John Paul II is truly a saint, the Catholic faithful must recognize the value of the religious witness of the Jewish people[4]. They must then condemn the example of Pedro de Arbues (1440–1485), Grand Inquisitor of Aragon, who was martyred by Jews in hatred of the Catholic faith. If John Paul II is truly a saint, the Catholic faithful must recognize that after the final resurrection, God will be satisfied with the Moslems and they will be satisfied with Him[5]. They must then condemn the example of the Capuchin Joseph of Leonessa (1556-1612) who worked without counting the cost in Constantinople among Christians reduced to slavery by the followers of Islam. His zeal caused him to be dragged before the sultan for insulting the Moslem religion and he spent three days hung from a set of gallows by a chain attached to hooks in one hand and one foot. Faithful Catholics should also deplore the example of St. Peter Mavimenus, who died in 715 after being tortured for three days for having insulted Mohammed and Islam. If John Paul II is truly a saint, faithful Catholics must recognize that heads of state may not arrogate to themselves the right to prevent the public profession of a false religion[6]. They must therefore condemn the example of the French king Louis IX, who limited the public practice of non-Christian religions as much as he could. However, Josaphat Kuncewicz was canonized in 1867 by Pius IX, and Pius XI dedicated an encyclical to him; the Church celebrates his feast on November 14th. Edmund Campion was canonized by Paul VI in 1970 and the Church honors him on December 1st. Fidelis of Sigmaringen was canonized in 1746 and Clement XIV designated him as the “protomartyr of the Propaganda” (of the Faith); his feast in the Church calendar is April 24th. Pedro de Arbues was canonized by Pius IX in 1867. Joseph of Leonessa was canonized in 1737 by Benedict XIV and his feast is celebrated in the Church on February 4th; Pius IX proclaimed him patron of the missions of Turkey. St. Peter Mavimenus, lastly, is honored in the Church on February 21. As for King St. Louis, his fairly well-known example is an ideal illustration of the teachings of St. Pius X, canonized as well. If John Paul II is truly a saint, all these saints were seriously mistaken and have given the whole Church not the example of authentic sanctity but the scandal of intolerance and fanaticism. It is impossible to avoid this dilemma. The only way out is to draw the double conclusion that follows: Karol Wojtyla cannot be canonized and the act that would proclaim his sanctity in front of the Church could only be a false canonization.“ |
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^^crazycakes.
yes, I think it's fine to reject the Grand Inquisitor. |
He is a saint |
I think you should start your own religion. Which SSPX basically is, so all is well. |
Pope Francis disagrees with you so shut u |
| I think the fact that your title used Church with a capital C rather than parish tells me how you feel in relation to the rest of Catholicism. |
Agreed “February 2008 Saint Mary's Academy, a school in Kansas affiliated with the SSPX, refused to allow a woman referee to officiate at a high-school basketball game in which St. Mary's was participating, reportedly on the grounds that it was not appropriate for a woman to be in a position of authority over male students.” Clearly Catholic women are just a uterus to this group. There are nuns coaching boys’ sports at some REAL Catholic institutions. |
Well, I don't think the SSPX nut who thinks he has logically disproven the canonization of John Paul II because that would mean rejecting the Grand Inquisitor is really embracing Catholicism, so ... |
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This is an extremist form of Catholicism, almost cultish. They sometimes appeal to young people who have something missing in their lives.
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Nothing wrong with that at all |
Great example of an extremist point of view. |
“Fr. Jean-Michel Gleize, SSPX, was born in 1966 in Montauban (Southern France). He graduated from the prestigious National Archivist School “École nationale des chartes” in Paris. After his priestly ordination in 1996 he was appointed professor in St. Pius X Seminary in Écône (Switzerland), where he teaches apologetics, ecclesiology and esthetics. He has translated and commented on the theological treatises of cardinals Cajetan, Franzelin and Billot. He is also a regular contributor to the monthly theological review Courrier de Rome. Fr. Gleize took part in the theological discussions with Vatican theologians as an official representative of the Society of St. Pius X (2009–2012). He expressed the scope of these in the book “Disputed questions about the Second Vatican ” Hardly a nut |
St. Mary’s Academy is a private school. They can do what they want |