The SSPX now has a Church in Washington DC
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Anonymous
look, if any single prong of your argument depends on rehabilitating the Grand Inquisitor, you're a nut. And an anti-semite (but we know that). Why don't you guys just start your own thing? I guess it's because they are so freakin' in love with the heirarchy that they can't stand to leave it. |
Anonymous
Maybe, but they are still nuts (and weirdos). |
Anonymous
Of course they can, but it is still extremist to believe that it is “not appropriate for a woman to be in a position of authority over male students.” That is an extreme belief in a civilized society today. |
Anonymous
The Inquisition was good and necessary. We don’t start our own thing because we’re Catholic. James Martin and Cuomo aren’t |
Anonymous
No it’s not. That’s what St. Paul said |
Anonymous
lol. I declare you not Catholic - decisively so! Why don't you just accept that you're basically cosplaying some bizarre version of the religion, and accept the schism? You can have your own pope, your own doctrine, your own hierarchy! |
Anonymous
also, tempted to flag you for anti-semitism, but I'm not going to do it, so people can just see what nuts you are for themselves. |
Anonymous
lol, I declare you a theological numbskull- decisively so! Why don’t you accept the fact that you’ve ignored Catholic Tradition on these questions. You believe the Church can contradict itself. You are the non-Catholic |
Anonymous
If you and your fellow SSPX weirdos believe that you are the sole arbiters of whether the Catholic church has contradicted itself based on some string of bizarre logical proofs about the Grand Inquisitor, and not the actual church theologians - then yeah, sounds like you're the heretics in the room. Not me. As much as you'd like, you can't excommunicate me. You guys on the other hand have gotten yourselves excommunicated. |
Anonymous
Lol, the SSPX is not excommunicated. Pope Benedict lifted those years ago. I am not excommunicating you but you will excommunicate yourself if you embrace heresy. I never said SSPX is the only Catholic group. I said those who believe that the Church can contradict itself are not Catholic. What theologians have you actually read? Do you know what indefectibility means? |
Anonymous
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Here’s a quote from Bp. Bernard Fellay( SSPX Bishop)
“When Pope Francis was elected, I thought: Now comes the excommunication. But it was the opposite: Cardinal Müller wanted to obtain our excommunication, and Pope Francis refused. He told me personally: “I will not condemn you!”” Pope Francis is more loving than DCUM Catholics |
Anonymous
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For the SSPX poster:
Do you acknowledge that Jorge Bergoglio/Francis is the Roman Pontiff, the Pope, the successor to St. Peter, the Vicar of Christ on earth? Are you familiar with the tradition, expressed in CIC 333 sec. 3 that "no appeal or recourse is permitted against a sentence or decree of the Roman Pontiff," and do you accept that law as binding? Are you familiar with the tradition, expressed in CIC 1404, that "the First See [the Pope] is judged by no one," and do you accept that law as binding? Assuming the responses to the foregoing are in the affirmative, whence do you purport to derive standing or authority to question any act of the Roman Pontiff, including but not limited to the declaration of sanctity of Pope John Paul II? |
Anonymous
1. Francis is the Pope 2. I am familiar with this and this is true. But it’s also true that the Church is indefectible and cant contradict itself. As Fr. Gleize points out, this is the dilemma we are in 3. The Pope can not be judged by men as such, but we can not follow him if he teaches error. Vatican 1 is very clear in stating that the Pope can not teach new doctrine These things have to be read in the light of the entire Tradition. Vatican 1 does not teach that a Pope can do whatever he wants and there are theologians who say that canonizations do not fall under infallibility. Put the SSPX to the side for a moment. Think about this. Fr. Aidan Nichols O. P( a mainstream Catholic theologian at Oxford) was one of the main authors of a recent letter accusing Francis of heresy. If “the Pope is to be judged by no one” meant what you think it means, Fr. Nichols wouldn’t dare do what he did. You do not know Catholic Tradition better than he does |
Anonymous
| BTW, Archbishop Marcel Lefebre( founder of the SSPX) worked for years in Africa and lost his father in a Nazi concentration camp |
Anonymous
| What I have definitely learned from this threadis SSPX is in no way schismatic |