Toddler death on a cruise ship. So tragic

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Railing does appear to be chest height. I am heartbroken for the whole family, grandfather included, but that is some serious and tragic lack of judgment.

It's high enough that a young child wouldn't fall out by themselves. Grandpa lifted the girl up and probably lost his grip and the child fell. I don't know how on earth one could say they thought there was class there - visually, and also just feeling the air RIGHT next to an open window.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Railing does appear to be chest height. I am heartbroken for the whole family, grandfather included, but that is some serious and tragic lack of judgment.

I believe if the picture is from 15-20 feet below the person and the railing cuts them at chest height, a picture head-on would show the railing in a lower position. I'm not a physicist, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express once.

agree

It was the perfect storm. Terrible place for an OPEN window on the KIDS area of the 11th floor. Bad judgement by grandpa. Im surprised he didnt try to jump out after her, I think I would

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Anonymous wrote:Railing does appear to be chest height. I am heartbroken for the whole family, grandfather included, but that is some serious and tragic lack of judgment.

It's high enough that a young child wouldn't fall out by themselves. Grandpa lifted the girl up and probably lost his grip and the child fell. I don't know how on earth one could say they thought there was class there - visually, and also just feeling the air RIGHT next to an open window.

A one year old wouldn't fall out by themselves. A three or four year old climber if their caregiver looked away for a minute? Entirely possible from these pictures.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Railing does appear to be chest height. I am heartbroken for the whole family, grandfather included, but that is some serious and tragic lack of judgment.

I believe if the picture is from 15-20 feet below the person and the railing cuts them at chest height, a picture head-on would show the railing in a lower position. I'm not a physicist, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express once.

The photo cuts them at shoulder height.

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Anonymous wrote:Railing does appear to be chest height. I am heartbroken for the whole family, grandfather included, but that is some serious and tragic lack of judgment.

It's high enough that a young child wouldn't fall out by themselves. Grandpa lifted the girl up and probably lost his grip and the child fell. I don't know how on earth one could say they thought there was class there - visually, and also just feeling the air RIGHT next to an open window.

A one year old wouldn't fall out by themselves. A three or four year old climber if their caregiver looked away for a minute? Entirely possible from these pictures.

Which would still be parental negligence. You have to know your own kid and take ownership. The entire world cannot be bubbleproofed.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Railing does appear to be chest height. I am heartbroken for the whole family, grandfather included, but that is some serious and tragic lack of judgment.

It's high enough that a young child wouldn't fall out by themselves. Grandpa lifted the girl up and probably lost his grip and the child fell. I don't know how on earth one could say they thought there was class there - visually, and also just feeling the air RIGHT next to an open window.

A one year old wouldn't fall out by themselves. A three or four year old climber if their caregiver looked away for a minute? Entirely possible from these pictures.

It's a frickin cruise ship. There's railings that high EVERYwhere.

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Anonymous wrote:Railing does appear to be chest height. I am heartbroken for the whole family, grandfather included, but that is some serious and tragic lack of judgment.

It's high enough that a young child wouldn't fall out by themselves. Grandpa lifted the girl up and probably lost his grip and the child fell. I don't know how on earth one could say they thought there was class there - visually, and also just feeling the air RIGHT next to an open window.

A one year old wouldn't fall out by themselves. A three or four year old climber if their caregiver looked away for a minute? Entirely possible from these pictures.

Which would still be parental negligence. You have to know your own kid and take ownership. The entire world cannot be bubbleproofed.

The world cannot be bubbleproofed but dangers can and should be minimized, especially if the info on page 1 of this thread -- that this happened in an area designated as a children's play area -- is true. More than one party can be negligent; more than one thing can contribute to a tragedy.

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Anonymous wrote:NP here. The top window seems smaller than the other too and is at an angle. The man sitting has his head at same level as railing. The woman standing seems mid-way between floor and ceiling. If she’s 1.6 m tall, the room may be about 3m high. The two bottom windows probably come to 2.5 m and the top window to about 0.5m. This would bring the railing to about chest height.

Metric. That's what this thread was missing!

exactly...we found the Russian bot..

[Anonymous]

It's clear the window is open. He put her in that open window and lost his grip. I think the true story is the one that came out first.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Railing does appear to be chest height. I am heartbroken for the whole family, grandfather included, but that is some serious and tragic lack of judgment.

It's high enough that a young child wouldn't fall out by themselves. Grandpa lifted the girl up and probably lost his grip and the child fell. I don't know how on earth one could say they thought there was class there - visually, and also just feeling the air RIGHT next to an open window.

A one year old wouldn't fall out by themselves. A three or four year old climber if their caregiver looked away for a minute? Entirely possible from these pictures.

Which would still be parental negligence. You have to know your own kid and take ownership. The entire world cannot be bubbleproofed.

The world cannot be bubbleproofed but dangers can and should be minimized, especially if the info on page 1 of this thread -- that this happened in an area designated as a children's play area -- is true. More than one party can be negligent; more than one thing can contribute to a tragedy.

No. This is absolutely on the fault of the parent or guardian presiding over the child. The world is not responsible for what your scampering child gets off to and if they're climbing up a window, they have a death wish.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Railing does appear to be chest height. I am heartbroken for the whole family, grandfather included, but that is some serious and tragic lack of judgment.

I believe if the picture is from 15-20 feet below the person and the railing cuts them at chest height, a picture head-on would show the railing in a lower position. I'm not a physicist, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express once.

He's holding his hands like he'd be holding the kid, and they are definitively higher than waist high.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It's clear the window is open. He put her in that open window and lost his grip. I think the true story is the one that came out first.

I think you might be right. I expect Grandpa will not last long after this.

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Anonymous wrote:Railing does appear to be chest height. I am heartbroken for the whole family, grandfather included, but that is some serious and tragic lack of judgment.

It's high enough that a young child wouldn't fall out by themselves. Grandpa lifted the girl up and probably lost his grip and the child fell. I don't know how on earth one could say they thought there was class there - visually, and also just feeling the air RIGHT next to an open window.

A one year old wouldn't fall out by themselves. A three or four year old climber if their caregiver looked away for a minute? Entirely possible from these pictures.

Which would still be parental negligence. You have to know your own kid and take ownership. The entire world cannot be bubbleproofed.

The world cannot be bubbleproofed but dangers can and should be minimized, especially if the info on page 1 of this thread -- that this happened in an area designated as a children's play area -- is true. More than one party can be negligent; more than one thing can contribute to a tragedy.

No. This is absolutely on the fault of the parent or guardian presiding over the child. The world is not responsible for what your scampering child gets off to and if they're climbing up a window, they have a death wish.

Hundreds of years of torts law disagrees with you, but flex!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote: The world cannot be bubbleproofed but dangers can and should be minimized, especially if the info on page 1 of this thread -- that this happened in an area designated as a children's play area -- is true. More than one party can be negligent; more than one thing can contribute to a tragedy.

I agree. It obviously wasn't a good idea to lift her onto the railing. He will have to live with that decision for the rest of his life. But looking at those pictures, I would absolutely assume there's glass there, too. I don't agree with PPs who said that he couldn't have not seen that the window was open. It's a room of floor to ceiling windows that don't look like they open at all. So his story is entirely plausible. He is still at fault for lifting her up and not holding on, but the fact remains that had there been glass there (like a reasonable person would assume), she would still be alive.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am reading the reports and they say that the little girl slipped out of grandfathers arms. Nowhere does it say he didn’t know there wasn’t a window. Sounds like he picked that window for a reason (no glass so better view and air) and the little girl leaned forward, and grandpa lost his grip on her. It’s so sad yet so stupid.

This is what it sounds like. Poor sweet baby.