$24 billion NYC public schools only accepted 7 black students (of 895) to top magnet high schoool
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Anonymous
that has nothing to do with this conversation unless again you are arguing that the test is racist. If that's your argument you are going to have to make it a lot better for me to believe you |
Anonymous
Wow. I didn't know any of this, first time hearing about Asian American gangs. However, I am willing to accept that I don't know everything about the challenges poor Asian Americans face growing up in NYC. The question is, are you willing to accept that other ethnic groups may also face challenges--some of them rooted in longstanding historical oppression--that you don't fully grasp? |
Anonymous
Because NYT readers hate whites but are fine with Asian Americans (as long as they stay quiet re. Affirmative action) |
Anonymous
Please go read about institutional racism. It isn’t just the test. The test scores are the symptom. |
Anonymous
lol no poor asians are doing fine. It's a choice on what to focus on there chief. |
Anonymous
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Schumer's daughter went to Stuyvesant H.S. I used to look at the school's auction items a decade ago: private tour by Schumer of the U.N.
Now that's access. |
Anonymous
Who said anything about Asians? How about everyone else? Is **everyone** doing fine? |
Anonymous
On the one hand: New York ought to make sure that just about all of the kids who took the test and scored at a minimum level ought to have access to a solid score, with qualified teachers, access to AP classes and tests, etc. The district can't keep hard-working Asian kids from getting a great education. But it looks as if only 3.6% of the African-American kids who took that test received offers from any of the test schools. That means the system is shutting out a lot of serious, bright, hard-working African-American kids with great grades and pushing them into weak schools. That's terrible. Schools need to find ways to nurture and encourage those kids, not slam a door in their face. Second, one problem not being discussed is that putting kids in schools with few African-American or Latino students is bad for the students in those schools. They're going to end up living in a world in which they're going to have to relate to people who are African-American and Latino, without having much actual experience with relating to people from those groups. I'm a white person who's the product of those kinds of schools, and I think that kind of segregation is crippling. I can pretend that I'm so wonderfully enlightened and relate to all people the same wonderful way, but that's not actually the truth. It's hard for me to believe that other products of similar schools are all that much more well-equipped for a diverse world than I am. The whole point of South Park is that we're absolutely not. |
Anonymous
Agree. And that’s a common view in many immigrant communities, not just Asian ones. My parents were immigrants who had an elementary-level education. They bought the cheapest house in the best school district. My sister and I knew that school was our number one job, and our parents did what they could to make sure we could focus on it. Both my sister and I have degrees from Ivy League schools. |
Anonymous
DP: please do some test prep, don't waste time reading "institutional racism" BS. |
Anonymous
That’s the problem. It’s merit based admission process. They must be racists. |
Anonymous
+1. If a plane crashes, the problem is never the pilot or the plane or the weather. It's centuries-old institutional racism. My anscestors built this country, so I demand a free private airplane that never crashes. |
Anonymous
So what do you suggest they do? Accept more Black and Latinx kids and fewer Asian American kids? Because it never ever seems to be on the table to admit fewer white kids. Also, putting kids who are hardworking and bright but not prepared for the rigor of a highly competitive high school is doing them a disservice. Hey will drop out when they can’t compete. Earlier intervention is what’s needed, but schools can’t remedy lack of parental support or engagement. My parents were dirt poor when they came to the US. Worked menial jobs until they mastered English, but even while they were both working ridiculous hours, they focused on their kids’ educations. They’d go without food to make sure we had books and supplies we needed. We sometimes didn’t have heat on in the winter, but damn, we were supported in our studies. Knowing the sacrifices our parents made, there was no shirking homework or doing less than our best. No TV, no fun activities on weekends, no movies, no trips to the zoo. When people talk about Asian Americans making sacrifices, they have no idea of the scale of the sacrifice or the discipline that Asian American parents and kids embrace. Education becomes an all-encompassing family goal. |
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Improve all schools so someone who doesn’t get into the magnet school isn’t disappointed. The magnet school becomes less about access to superior education and rather matching students to their proper level of academic rigor.
No one wins if it’s a zero sum game. It’s disappointing however that this discussion on racial disparity becomes more charged when Asian Americans are the majority. I hope the discourse stays away from “blaming” Asian Americans. |
Anonymous
And I demand to be the pilot, because I'm black and there are way too many Asian and white pilots. |