Villanova vs. UVA

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Anonymous wrote:UVA is too rednecky. Villanova wouldn't be my first choice for my kids, but you couldn't pay me to send my kids there.

And not a surprise that their grads' salaries are low.

U.Md. would be your preference is my guess, no?

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Anonymous wrote:If USNWR ranked Villanova as a national u, rather than regional, it would rank around 50. UVA is ranked around 25. So I’m told by people who should know.

Villanova is ranked nationally by USNWR - #49. UVA is #25.

UVA is ranked high[er] because of its research budget. Undergrad vs undergrad Villanova is a better experience, hence why they can charge $70,000 after rejecting over 70% of applicants.

That's a ridiculous statement. How did you cook that "undergrad vs undergrad" bit up?

Well, there may be some truth to it. If you rated schools on a 1 to 10 scale with 10 being the most undergraduate and teaching focused (Williams might be a 10 and Arizona State a 1), Villanova would probably be something like a 7 and UVA a 5.

It's an absurd statement, don't even try.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:UVA is too rednecky. Villanova wouldn't be my first choice for my kids, but you couldn't pay me to send my kids there.

And not a surprise that their grads' salaries are low.

U.Md. would be your preference is my guess, no?

HAHA! It's the UMD panty-sniffer!

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Anonymous wrote:If USNWR ranked Villanova as a national u, rather than regional, it would rank around 50. UVA is ranked around 25. So I’m told by people who should know.

Villanova is ranked nationally by USNWR - #49. UVA is #25.

UVA is ranked high[er] because of its research budget. Undergrad vs undergrad Villanova is a better experience, hence why they can charge $70,000 after rejecting over 70% of applicants.

That's a ridiculous statement. How did you cook that "undergrad vs undergrad" bit up?

Well, there may be some truth to it. If you rated schools on a 1 to 10 scale with 10 being the most undergraduate and teaching focused (Williams might be a 10 and Arizona State a 1), Villanova would probably be something like a 7 and UVA a 5.

It's an absurd statement, don't even try.

Why is it absurd to say institutions put varying degrees of focus on teaching? Is there really any question that they don't? Niche specializes in student surveys. If you average across ratings for the categories of Professor teaching effort, Prof passion for subject, Prof cares about student success, Prof is engaging and understandable, and Prof is approachable and helpful, Williams averages 95%, Villanova 87%, UVA 84%, and Arizona State 77%. So what the poster above said is true in ordinal ranking based on Niche, but there is really not a very big difference between UVA and Villanova.

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Anonymous wrote:If USNWR ranked Villanova as a national u, rather than regional, it would rank around 50. UVA is ranked around 25. So I’m told by people who should know.

USN&WR does rank by best public universities. UVA is no. 1, 2, or 3 depending on the year, behind Berkeley and tying with UCLA but always above Michigan. UMD ts will cite to the wrong USN&WR which combined private colleges with public universities. The better approach is to compare apples to apples and oranges to oranges. Here's the best public university list. https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities/top-public

If you are going to keep posting this, you need to get up to date. UCLA was ranked top public at 19, Berkeley was #2 at 22, and UVA #3 at 25 in most recent.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm sorry I don't mean to burst your bubble, but no one outside of the DC metro area is even thinking about UVA. People come from all over the world to go to Villanova...

http://www.virginia.edu/uvaglobal/maps/index.php?mapType=citizenship

Villanova doesn't even release info about their international students, but it looks like they only have 335 international students.

They do. It is in the Common Data Set. Internationals are reported as non-resident aliens. Villanova has about 2% International for undergraduate. UVA is about 4.4%. Neither is particularly high, but Villanova on the low side. USC in comparison is 14% international.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:UVA is too rednecky. Villanova wouldn't be my first choice for my kids, but you couldn't pay me to send my kids there.

And not a surprise that their grads' salaries are low.

I don't think anything you wrote it right or relevant. I'm not sure how you would determine that UVA is too "rednecky". It is highly selective, and typically upper middle class and not first generation student in profile. That doesn't sound like redneck. It only matters if Villanova is the right fit for the right kid. It doesn't have to appeal to everyone.

Where does it says their grads salaries are low? This reports earnings and also an adjustment based on the mix of majors (since some majors earn more than others) to make a more accurate comparison between institutions. Villanova does quite well, with median earnings of $73,700, expected earnings based on majors of $64,500, with a positive "value add" of $9,200.

[Anonymous]

UVA is a very solid institution. Their endowment rivals many privates.

However, many serious academics think UVA is overrated (UIUC, UW-Seattle, UMD, etc are better). That said, it probably provides a superior undergrad education.

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Anonymous wrote:UVA is a very solid institution. Their endowment rivals many privates.

However, many serious academics think UVA is overrated (UIUC, UW-Seattle, UMD, etc are better). That said, it probably provides a superior undergrad education.

Correct. There are different ways to evaluate institutions. They can be evaluated for research and publishing, and that is typically where UVA is not as strong. The international rankings often focus on this (which probably makes sense because it would be difficult to compare across geographies otherwise). This also tends to be STEM-heavy because that is where a lot of the research dollars are. Washington, Texas, Illinois, Wisconsin, etc., tend to be higher ranked, often by some margin. But you don't send your 18 year old kid off to publish in a scientific journal, so it is better to evaluate strictly on how good the undergraduate education and opportunities are.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:UVA is a very solid institution. Their endowment rivals many privates.

However, many serious academics think UVA is overrated (UIUC, UW-Seattle, UMD, etc are better). That said, it probably provides a superior undergrad education.

People should be realistic about endowments and what it means for their undergraduate. It won't necessarily be lavished on their freshman son or daughter. A lot of the endowment belongs to specific parts of the school, like the medical school, research fellowships, law school, graduate school of business, athletics, etc.

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Anonymous wrote:UVA is too rednecky. Villanova wouldn't be my first choice for my kids, but you couldn't pay me to send my kids there.

And not a surprise that their grads' salaries are low.

I don't think anything you wrote it right or relevant. I'm not sure how you would determine that UVA is too "rednecky". It is highly selective, and typically upper middle class and not first generation student in profile. That doesn't sound like redneck. It only matters if Villanova is the right fit for the right kid. It doesn't have to appeal to everyone.

Where does it says their grads salaries are low? This reports earnings and also an adjustment based on the mix of majors (since some majors earn more than others) to make a more accurate comparison between institutions. Villanova does quite well, with median earnings of $73,700, expected earnings based on majors of $64,500, with a positive "value add" of $9,200.

Redneck is wrong because it means racist and poor. UVA is just full of rich racist students.

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Anonymous wrote:Peer colleges or is one superior to the other? Nova is much more expensive. But UVA undergrad is twice as large. Is the private college worth the premium? If yes, why? Thank you.

Expense does not equate quality. Don't confuse the two.

Typical myopic public U alum response. Most of the kids at Nova turned down state flagships UVA, UMD, Illinois, Clemson, Penn State, UNC.

“Most” huh? You must know like what 2 people?

No way with UNC out of state are those same kids considering Villanova. The acceptance rate for out of state applicants is one of the hardest in the country of any university and most ivies. Give me a break.

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Anonymous wrote:Is this a serious question? I'm not a UVA booster, but everyone knows it is a ton better than Villa "nowhere" as it is called. Villa "nowhere" is for Catholics who don't get into any better Catholic University and/or people from Philly/NJ who want to stay close to home.

Yeah, no.

I’m a Catholic who grew up in “Delco” (the nicer section to the extent there is one) and went to a Catholic Prep HS. This poster is correct. I certainly didn’t consider it.

[Anonymous]

Villanova would never be on my list (or many other people's lists) of schools they would even consider having their kid apply to. UVA is one of the most sought after schools in the country. So... there you have it.

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I used to think of Villanova as one of the more regional Catholic universities, similar perhaps to Holy Cross. These schools have very loyal alumni who tend to do well, so I don't mean that in a bad way. They just will tend not to have appeal that is as universal as some other schools.