Villanova vs. UVA

[Anonymous]

f you look at the lists of “peer institutions” for each, they are very different. Villanova tends to overlap with other Catholic schools (BC, Holy Cross, Providence, Loyola) and schools in PA.

This is not true. Villanova's peers among Catholic schools are Georgetown and Notre Dame. Providence? seriously?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

f you look at the lists of “peer institutions” for each, they are very different. Villanova tends to overlap with other Catholic schools (BC, Holy Cross, Providence, Loyola) and schools in PA.

This is not true. Villanova's peers among Catholic schools are Georgetown and Notre Dame. Providence? seriously?

The schools that Villanova itself lists as peer institutions (all schools list them to provide comaparitve benchmarks) are below. It seems that they disagree with you.

Boston C
Bucknell U
C of New Jersey
C of the Holy Cross
Catholic U of America
Creighton U
DePaul U
Drexel U
Fairfield U
Fordham U
Georgetown U
John Carroll U
Lafayette C
Lehigh U
Loyola U Chicago
Loyola U Maryland
Marquette U
New York U
Providence C
Rensselaer Polytechnic Inst
Saint Louis U
Santa Clara U
Southern Methodist U
Stetson U
Stevens Inst of Tech
U of Dayton
U of Delaware
U of Notre Dame
U of Richmond
Valparaiso U
Wake Forest U

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

f you look at the lists of “peer institutions” for each, they are very different. Villanova tends to overlap with other Catholic schools (BC, Holy Cross, Providence, Loyola) and schools in PA.

This is not true. Villanova's peers among Catholic schools are Georgetown and Notre Dame. Providence? seriously?

Villanova is a step down from Georgetown and Notre Dame and BC. It's never been considered in the same light.

I'd rank it between Providence, Loyola, St. Joe and the Georgetown/Notre Dame/BC schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Is this a serious question? I'm not a UVA booster, but everyone knows it is a ton better than Villa "nowhere" as it is called. Villa "nowhere" is for Catholics who don't get into any better Catholic University and/or people from Philly/NJ who want to stay close to home.

Um. No.

[Anonymous]

Villanova has a significant number of legacies with a deep love for the school and a significant number of students who wanted to attend Georgetown, Notre Dame or similar schools and did not get in. Many of the latter appear to also go on to develop a deep love for Villanova. Size, school spirit, service focus, etc. combine to make a great undergrad experience. The word of mouth about that experience combined with two recent national championships and significant on-going building/improvement projects has resulted in declining acceptance rates. 30-33 middle ACT is no joke.
But value of UVA for UVA resident is hard to beat.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

f you look at the lists of “peer institutions” for each, they are very different. Villanova tends to overlap with other Catholic schools (BC, Holy Cross, Providence, Loyola) and schools in PA.

This is not true. Villanova's peers among Catholic schools are Georgetown and Notre Dame. Providence? seriously?

The schools that Villanova itself lists as peer institutions (all schools list them to provide comaparitve benchmarks) are below. It seems that they disagree with you.

Boston C
Bucknell U
C of New Jersey
C of the Holy Cross
Catholic U of America
Creighton U
DePaul U
Drexel U
Fairfield U
Fordham U
Georgetown U
John Carroll U
Lafayette C
Lehigh U
Loyola U Chicago
Loyola U Maryland
Marquette U
New York U
Providence C
Rensselaer Polytechnic Inst
Saint Louis U
Santa Clara U
Southern Methodist U
Stetson U
Stevens Inst of Tech
U of Dayton
U of Delaware
U of Notre Dame
U of Richmond
Valparaiso U
Wake Forest U

That data is from 1992.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

f you look at the lists of “peer institutions” for each, they are very different. Villanova tends to overlap with other Catholic schools (BC, Holy Cross, Providence, Loyola) and schools in PA.

This is not true. Villanova's peers among Catholic schools are Georgetown and Notre Dame. Providence? seriously?

The schools that Villanova itself lists as peer institutions (all schools list them to provide comaparitve benchmarks) are below. It seems that they disagree with you.

Boston C
Bucknell U
C of New Jersey
C of the Holy Cross
Catholic U of America
Creighton U
DePaul U
Drexel U
Fairfield U
Fordham U
Georgetown U
John Carroll U
Lafayette C
Lehigh U
Loyola U Chicago
Loyola U Maryland
Marquette U
New York U
Providence C
Rensselaer Polytechnic Inst
Saint Louis U
Santa Clara U
Southern Methodist U
Stetson U
Stevens Inst of Tech
U of Dayton
U of Delaware
U of Notre Dame
U of Richmond
Valparaiso U
Wake Forest U

That data is from 1992.

Sorry 2012.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

f you look at the lists of “peer institutions” for each, they are very different. Villanova tends to overlap with other Catholic schools (BC, Holy Cross, Providence, Loyola) and schools in PA.

This is not true. Villanova's peers among Catholic schools are Georgetown and Notre Dame. Providence? seriously?

The schools that Villanova itself lists as peer institutions (all schools list them to provide comaparitve benchmarks) are below. It seems that they disagree with you.

Boston C
Bucknell U
C of New Jersey
C of the Holy Cross
Catholic U of America
Creighton U
DePaul U
Drexel U
Fairfield U
Fordham U
Georgetown U
John Carroll U
Lafayette C
Lehigh U
Loyola U Chicago
Loyola U Maryland
Marquette U
New York U
Providence C
Rensselaer Polytechnic Inst
Saint Louis U
Santa Clara U
Southern Methodist U
Stetson U
Stevens Inst of Tech
U of Dayton
U of Delaware
U of Notre Dame
U of Richmond
Valparaiso U
Wake Forest U

That data is from 1992.

Sorry 2012.

And? That’s not 50 years ago. Did their endowment, NIH funding, research output somehow change drastically since 2012?

[Anonymous]

Go where the program is better (not school ranking) and where cost is less. Save your money for graduate school.

[Anonymous]

Nova is catholic so -

Uva

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:According to the U.S. Government College Scorecard, Villanova Grads make nearly $14K more post graduation and a higher percentage of graduates make more than high school graduates. UVA has lower debt post graduation, but Villanova has a slightly higher percentage of graduates paying down debt. UVA has slightly higher graduation rates and standardized test scores.

Isn’t that more about where grass work? I would expect Villanova grads to be in Phili or NYC, where there’s a high cost of living and higher salaries.

It could be. I am not aware of a study that adjusts for cost of living. But keep in mind that DC, where a number of UVA graduates end up, has a higher cost of living than Philadelphia. What I have seen indicates that the mix of majors at a school plays a huge factor in graduate earnings, at least in early career. Engineering graduates from good schools make something on the order of 1.6X what liberal arts graduates make. And males also make more than females (unfortunately), so schools with higher male to female ratios also get a boost from that.

There was a study by a research center at Georgetown that adjusts for the mix of majors. It has Villanova ranked quite high. https://cew.georgetown.edu/cew-reports/college-rankings/#interactive

The Catholic schools can have very loyal alumni, not just Notre Dame, but also BC, Villanova, Holy Cross. This might explain part of it.

[Anonymous]

I graduated from Villanova. No one calls it “Nova”. Good school, great neighborhood, lots of opportunities to do research as an undergrad if in the sciences.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

f you look at the lists of “peer institutions” for each, they are very different. Villanova tends to overlap with other Catholic schools (BC, Holy Cross, Providence, Loyola) and schools in PA.

This is not true. Villanova's peers among Catholic schools are Georgetown and Notre Dame. Providence? seriously?

HA! Tell that to all of the students at Villa nowhere who were soundly rejected by Georgetown and Notre Dame

[Anonymous]

It always seems like the MO of some UVA supporters is to put down any school compared to it.

[Anonymous]

Villanova has made tremendous strides over the last 10-20 years and has now cracked into the top 5 of Catholic schools in the US. Only Notre Dame, Georgetown, BC and Holy Cross are ahead of it.

But it's not UVA. Not by a long shot.