Villanova vs. UVA

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Anonymous wrote:Villanova is more prestigious, unless your kid has a STRONG in at a top tier UVA frat/srat house.

Villanova has had 3 Rhodes Scholars in its entire history. UVA has had 53.

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Davidson is in the same region as UVA and has over 4X as many Rhodes Scholars on a per capita basis. Is it 4X as good as UVA?

The University of Mississippi has the same number as Georgetown, and both have more than Berkeley. Sewanee has more than any of those. Clearly Rhodes scholarships are meaningful, but you shouldn't use it as the only indicator of institutional quality.

yes, and that's the thing. UVA surpasses Villanova on pretty much every objective measure of institutional quality, Rhodes Scholars included..

Here's a link to colleges ranked by Rhodes recipients The top ten:

Harvard
Yale
Princeton
Stanford
West Point
Dartmouth
Brown
UVA
Chicago
Navy

That's pretty damned good company and means something.

https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/universities-by-number-of-rhodes-scholars.html

Meh....it’s only meaningful if you adjust for student population.

Not true. What is means is that many, many of the graduates of the top universities in the US, who have lots and lots of options, are applying for and accepting these scholarships. That UVA is in the same category says something about the opportunities available to UVA grads and the prestige of the school. Give credit where credit is due.

What’s the word for incontestable truth? Ah, yes...Wahoowa!

That is a word used by students and graduates of a school where no one can (or does) solve for X. Reed College has produced 32 Rhodes Scholars while the University of Virginia has produced 53. UVA has 16,500 undergraduates while Reed has 1,500. Which of these two schools has produced graduates who were more likely to receive Rhodes Scholarships?

Lol.....apparently basic statistics aren’t part of the curriculum at UVA. BTW that’s an amazing stat for Reed.

Reed is an interesting school. Incoming stats aren't stellar, but there is a common determination to become a scholar. One of the highest producers (per capita) of PHDs and Rhodes Scholars.

look, it's too complicated to explain and fully document here, but the bottom line is that the Rhodes isn't a national competition where everyone is judged in one big pot, but rather based on who rises to the top in regions. And the regions has changed over the years.

For example, Montana has had a disproportionately large number of winners when going back to the beginning of the competition in the early 1900s because there aren't a lot of colleges in Montana and students applying from the region where Montana was located historically were at a distinct advantage. It's not like that anymore -- they've adjusted the regions to more or less even the score -- and since doing that schools in formerly advantaged locations have petered out. Google where Rhodes have come from since 2000, 2010, or whatever and you won't see a lot of Montanas and Reeds on the list anymore. But you WILL continue to see UVA make frequent appearances.

A typical UVA supporter response. Put down the other schools and argue if they had any success it was due to special circumstances. But the fact is Montana had one in 2017 and Reed had one in 2016.

and that's because the Rhodes are selected by two stage process involving districts. Both Montana and Reed are in District 16 which includes Alaska, Idaho, Montana, Oregon, Washington, so your chances of getting a Rhodes from Reed or any school in those states is much easier than say, District 1 (Massachusetts.)

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In fact, let me answer the question for you. Reed's 2016 winner was the first in the school since 2000, and Reed has only had three Rhodes Scholars in the last FORTY years.

https://www.reed.edu/ir/rhodesawards.html

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Anonymous wrote:Villanova is more prestigious, unless your kid has a STRONG in at a top tier UVA frat/srat house.

Villanova has had 3 Rhodes Scholars in its entire history. UVA has had 53.

THIS.

Davidson is in the same region as UVA and has over 4X as many Rhodes Scholars on a per capita basis. Is it 4X as good as UVA?

The University of Mississippi has the same number as Georgetown, and both have more than Berkeley. Sewanee has more than any of those. Clearly Rhodes scholarships are meaningful, but you shouldn't use it as the only indicator of institutional quality.

yes, and that's the thing. UVA surpasses Villanova on pretty much every objective measure of institutional quality, Rhodes Scholars included..

Here's a link to colleges ranked by Rhodes recipients The top ten:

Harvard
Yale
Princeton
Stanford
West Point
Dartmouth
Brown
UVA
Chicago
Navy

That's pretty damned good company and means something.

https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/universities-by-number-of-rhodes-scholars.html

Meh....it’s only meaningful if you adjust for student population.

Not true. What is means is that many, many of the graduates of the top universities in the US, who have lots and lots of options, are applying for and accepting these scholarships. That UVA is in the same category says something about the opportunities available to UVA grads and the prestige of the school. Give credit where credit is due.

What’s the word for incontestable truth? Ah, yes...Wahoowa!

That is a word used by students and graduates of a school where no one can (or does) solve for X. Reed College has produced 32 Rhodes Scholars while the University of Virginia has produced 53. UVA has 16,500 undergraduates while Reed has 1,500. Which of these two schools has produced graduates who were more likely to receive Rhodes Scholarships?

Lol.....apparently basic statistics aren’t part of the curriculum at UVA. BTW that’s an amazing stat for Reed.

Reed is an interesting school. Incoming stats aren't stellar, but there is a common determination to become a scholar. One of the highest producers (per capita) of PHDs and Rhodes Scholars.

look, it's too complicated to explain and fully document here, but the bottom line is that the Rhodes isn't a national competition where everyone is judged in one big pot, but rather based on who rises to the top in regions. And the regions has changed over the years.

For example, Montana has had a disproportionately large number of winners when going back to the beginning of the competition in the early 1900s because there aren't a lot of colleges in Montana and students applying from the region where Montana was located historically were at a distinct advantage. It's not like that anymore -- they've adjusted the regions to more or less even the score -- and since doing that schools in formerly advantaged locations have petered out. Google where Rhodes have come from since 2000, 2010, or whatever and you won't see a lot of Montanas and Reeds on the list anymore. But you WILL continue to see UVA make frequent appearances.

A typical UVA supporter response. Put down the other schools and argue if they had any success it was due to special circumstances. But the fact is Montana had one in 2017 and Reed had one in 2016.

and that's because the Rhodes are selected by two stage process involving districts. Both Montana and Reed are in District 16 which includes Alaska, Idaho, Montana, Oregon, Washington, so your chances of getting a Rhodes from Reed or any school in those states is much easier than say, District 1 (Massachusetts.)

You can apply in the district of your residence, which is how many of the top privates get students selected. They draw from all over the country.

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Anonymous wrote:In fact, let me answer the question for you. Reed's 2016 winner was the first in the school since 2000, and Reed has only had three Rhodes Scholars in the last FORTY years.

https://www.reed.edu/ir/rhodesawards.html

But through the wonders of math (which UVA grads don't do), we understand, since UVA has 11X as many students, that that would translate to 33 Rhodes Scholarships in that time period for a school the size of UVA. That would mean averaging .825 per year for a school the size of UVA.

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Anonymous wrote:In fact, let me answer the question for you. Reed's 2016 winner was the first in the school since 2000, and Reed has only had three Rhodes Scholars in the last FORTY years.

https://www.reed.edu/ir/rhodesawards.html

But through the wonders of math (which UVA grads don't do), we understand, since UVA has 11X as many students, that that would translate to 33 Rhodes Scholarships in that time period for a school the size of UVA. That would mean averaging .825 per year for a school the size of UVA.

How many has UVA had in the last 40 years?

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Anonymous wrote:In fact, let me answer the question for you. Reed's 2016 winner was the first in the school since 2000, and Reed has only had three Rhodes Scholars in the last FORTY years.

https://www.reed.edu/ir/rhodesawards.html

But through the wonders of math (which UVA grads don't do), we understand, since UVA has 11X as many students, that that would translate to 33 Rhodes Scholarships in that time period for a school the size of UVA. That would mean averaging .825 per year for a school the size of UVA.

But through the wonders of basic statistical analysis (which wherever you come from doesn't do), we understand, since we have such small sample sizes, that that does not translate into any sort of meaningful conclusions about UVA vs. Reed.

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Anonymous wrote:In fact, let me answer the question for you. Reed's 2016 winner was the first in the school since 2000, and Reed has only had three Rhodes Scholars in the last FORTY years.

https://www.reed.edu/ir/rhodesawards.html

But through the wonders of math (which UVA grads don't do), we understand, since UVA has 11X as many students, that that would translate to 33 Rhodes Scholarships in that time period for a school the size of UVA. That would mean averaging .825 per year for a school the size of UVA.

But through the wonders of basic statistical analysis (which wherever you come from doesn't do), we understand, since we have such small sample sizes, that that does not translate into any sort of meaningful conclusions about UVA vs. Reed.

Also through the wonders of basic statistical literacy, we understand that comparing a very large, public university, whose students typically have vastly different goals than that of a tiny, private, liberal arts colleges, and who has majors in subjects like business, engineering, etc. for whom direct entry in the workforce is far more likely than postgraduate study than the graduates of a small liberal arts college whose majors and programs essentially require postgraduate study, is an absolutely absurd exercise and makes you look quite silly.

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Anonymous wrote:In fact, let me answer the question for you. Reed's 2016 winner was the first in the school since 2000, and Reed has only had three Rhodes Scholars in the last FORTY years.

https://www.reed.edu/ir/rhodesawards.html

But through the wonders of math (which UVA grads don't do), we understand, since UVA has 11X as many students, that that would translate to 33 Rhodes Scholarships in that time period for a school the size of UVA. That would mean averaging .825 per year for a school the size of UVA.

But through the wonders of basic statistical analysis (which wherever you come from doesn't do), we understand, since we have such small sample sizes, that that does not translate into any sort of meaningful conclusions about UVA vs. Reed.

UVA parens continue to embarrass themselves.....state U nonsense

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Welle seyyd

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Anonymous wrote:In fact, let me answer the question for you. Reed's 2016 winner was the first in the school since 2000, and Reed has only had three Rhodes Scholars in the last FORTY years.

https://www.reed.edu/ir/rhodesawards.html

But through the wonders of math (which UVA grads don't do), we understand, since UVA has 11X as many students, that that would translate to 33 Rhodes Scholarships in that time period for a school the size of UVA. That would mean averaging .825 per year for a school the size of UVA.

How many has UVA had in the last 40 years?

It appears UVA has had 16 in that timeframe (1979, 1981, 1991, 1995, 1998, 1999, 2 in 2005, 2010, 2011, 2013, 2 in 2014, 2016, 2 in 2017).

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Anonymous wrote:In fact, let me answer the question for you. Reed's 2016 winner was the first in the school since 2000, and Reed has only had three Rhodes Scholars in the last FORTY years.

https://www.reed.edu/ir/rhodesawards.html

But through the wonders of math (which UVA grads don't do), we understand, since UVA has 11X as many students, that that would translate to 33 Rhodes Scholarships in that time period for a school the size of UVA. That would mean averaging .825 per year for a school the size of UVA.

How many has UVA had in the last 40 years?

It appears UVA has had 16 in that timeframe (1979, 1981, 1991, 1995, 1998, 1999, 2 in 2005, 2010, 2011, 2013, 2 in 2014, 2016, 2 in 2017).

Reed actually had 4 in that time period. 1978, 1990, 2000, 2017

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Anonymous wrote:In fact, let me answer the question for you. Reed's 2016 winner was the first in the school since 2000, and Reed has only had three Rhodes Scholars in the last FORTY years.

https://www.reed.edu/ir/rhodesawards.html

But through the wonders of math (which UVA grads don't do), we understand, since UVA has 11X as many students, that that would translate to 33 Rhodes Scholarships in that time period for a school the size of UVA. That would mean averaging .825 per year for a school the size of UVA.

But through the wonders of basic statistical analysis (which wherever you come from doesn't do), we understand, since we have such small sample sizes, that that does not translate into any sort of meaningful conclusions about UVA vs. Reed.

Also through the wonders of basic statistical literacy, we understand that comparing a very large, public university, whose students typically have vastly different goals than that of a tiny, private, liberal arts colleges, and who has majors in subjects like business, engineering, etc. for whom direct entry in the workforce is far more likely than postgraduate study than the graduates of a small liberal arts college whose majors and programs essentially require postgraduate study, is an absolutely absurd exercise and makes you look quite silly.

Geez. Would it be so hard to say "you know, schools like Reed, Sewanee, Davidson, etc. have done pretty well here"?

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Anonymous wrote:In fact, let me answer the question for you. Reed's 2016 winner was the first in the school since 2000, and Reed has only had three Rhodes Scholars in the last FORTY years.

https://www.reed.edu/ir/rhodesawards.html

But through the wonders of math (which UVA grads don't do), we understand, since UVA has 11X as many students, that that would translate to 33 Rhodes Scholarships in that time period for a school the size of UVA. That would mean averaging .825 per year for a school the size of UVA.

But through the wonders of basic statistical analysis (which wherever you come from doesn't do), we understand, since we have such small sample sizes, that that does not translate into any sort of meaningful conclusions about UVA vs. Reed.

Well that is odd. The sample size seemed to be sufficient when you were slagging Reed for having 3 (actually 4 it appears) Rhodes Scholars in the last forty years.

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Anonymous wrote:In fact, let me answer the question for you. Reed's 2016 winner was the first in the school since 2000, and Reed has only had three Rhodes Scholars in the last FORTY years.

https://www.reed.edu/ir/rhodesawards.html

But through the wonders of math (which UVA grads don't do), we understand, since UVA has 11X as many students, that that would translate to 33 Rhodes Scholarships in that time period for a school the size of UVA. That would mean averaging .825 per year for a school the size of UVA.

But through the wonders of basic statistical analysis (which wherever you come from doesn't do), we understand, since we have such small sample sizes, that that does not translate into any sort of meaningful conclusions about UVA vs. Reed.

[b]Well that is odd. The sample size seemed to be sufficient when you were slagging Reed for having 3 (actually 4 it appears) Rhodes Scholars in the last forty years.

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No, it's not odd. It has to do with how Rhodes are selected. It's a two stage process involving districts. Both Montana and Reed are in District 16 which includes Alaska, Idaho, Montana, Oregon, Washington, so your chances of getting a Rhodes from Reed or any school in those states is much easier than say, District 1 (Massachusetts.)

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First of all, I only count 32 from Reed, not 33 -- and 21 of them are from the 1910s to the 1950s. Not exactly relevant today. UVA has had 8 in the 2010s, compared to Reed's one. That's the modern reality.