Woman killed while jogging near Logan Circle

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I wonder if she lost more blood because her heart rate was so elevated from jogging.

Probably wouldn't have mattered. When you bleed out as quickly as she apparently did, despite being less than 10 minutes from a hospital, it likely meant that a major blood vessel was severed, or the heart itself was punctured or partially bisected. Could've also maybe been liver or kidney, which also have tremendous blood flow, but I doubt it. Even those take longer than 20-30 minutes to bleed out from.

If I were placing bets, I'd say abdominal aorta puncture or bisection.

For those, you could be stabbed while IN the hospital ER and still only have a slim chance. It's a huge volume of blood, and no way short of massive, invasive surgery within minutes to stop the bleed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Regardless of the idiot upthread who said it was dangerous to "think like that", women do need to be safe--meaning we need to be vigilant and aware of our surroundings when alone. We will always be prey for crazy men simply because we are (mostly) physically weaker. This is nothing new. Waiting for men to change how they act is not a solution so stay safe, ladies!

This! x a million.

Act like you live in our current world, not the way you think things "should be." So many people just don't get this.

minus a million

That's how we get to living in a society like Saudi, where women can't go out, travel alone, dress a certain way, because men can't control themselves or their actions. Give the men a curfew. Start redirecting, and telling men to be responsible - explicitly assert: don't attack, don't rape, don't shoot, don't kill, don't assault, etc. When you keep putting it on the shoulders of women, the entitlement of men and boys grow - they have no reason to change their end.

I am a female runner, and I am f*cking tired of this sh!t.

That's quite a leap you're making.

I'm a female runner as well, and I know enough to not run in unsafe situations. It's not that hard.

And lol at "explicitly assert: don't attack, don't rape, don't shoot, don't kill, don't assault, etc." I'm sure they'll listen!

[Anonymous]

Victim has been identified as Wendy Martinez. It looks like she's fairly well connected in DC

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Regardless of the idiot upthread who said it was dangerous to "think like that", women do need to be safe--meaning we need to be vigilant and aware of our surroundings when alone. We will always be prey for crazy men simply because we are (mostly) physically weaker. This is nothing new. Waiting for men to change how they act is not a solution so stay safe, ladies!

What do you mean by "stay safe, ladies"? What should ladies do to stay safe, in your opinion?

Oh for pete’s sake, really? Run in well lit and populated areas. Don’t run with headphones. Stay aware of your surroundings. If you run in the street, wear brightly colored clothes or lights so that drivers can see you.

No one ever asks to be raped, killed, hit by a car, etc. But it isn’t victim blaming to encourage people to make choices that might decrease the likelihood of something bad happening.

For example, Logan Circle before 8 pm on a Tuesday night.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Regardless of the idiot upthread who said it was dangerous to "think like that", women do need to be safe--meaning we need to be vigilant and aware of our surroundings when alone. We will always be prey for crazy men simply because we are (mostly) physically weaker. This is nothing new. Waiting for men to change how they act is not a solution so stay safe, ladies!

This! x a million.

Act like you live in our current world, not the way you think things "should be." So many people just don't get this.

minus a million

That's how we get to living in a society like Saudi, where women can't go out, travel alone, dress a certain way, because men can't control themselves or their actions. Give the men a curfew. Start redirecting, and telling men to be responsible - explicitly assert: don't attack, don't rape, don't shoot, don't kill, don't assault, etc. When you keep putting it on the shoulders of women, the entitlement of men and boys grow - they have no reason to change their end.

I am a female runner, and I am f*cking tired of this sh!t.

That's quite a leap you're making.

I'm a female runner as well, and I know enough to not run in unsafe situations. It's not that hard.

And lol at "explicitly assert: don't attack, don't rape, don't shoot, don't kill, don't assault, etc." I'm sure they'll listen!

Really? So what did the victim do wrong here? She was running in a populated, largely safe urban neighborhood before dark.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Regardless of the idiot upthread who said it was dangerous to "think like that", women do need to be safe--meaning we need to be vigilant and aware of our surroundings when alone. We will always be prey for crazy men simply because we are (mostly) physically weaker. This is nothing new. Waiting for men to change how they act is not a solution so stay safe, ladies!

This! x a million.

Act like you live in our current world, not the way you think things "should be." So many people just don't get this.

minus a million

That's how we get to living in a society like Saudi, where women can't go out, travel alone, dress a certain way, because men can't control themselves or their actions. Give the men a curfew. Start redirecting, and telling men to be responsible - explicitly assert: don't attack, don't rape, don't shoot, don't kill, don't assault, etc. When you keep putting it on the shoulders of women, the entitlement of men and boys grow - they have no reason to change their end.

I am a female runner, and I am f*cking tired of this sh!t.

That's quite a leap you're making.

I'm a female runner as well, and I know enough to not run in unsafe situations. It's not that hard.

And lol at "explicitly assert: don't attack, don't rape, don't shoot, don't kill, don't assault, etc." I'm sure they'll listen!

It's not a leap - it's exactly in the same vein. How many times do were still hear that women shouldn't dress a certain way? Go out alone? We're still trying to make women be accountable, instead of putting it on the shoulders of those, and the gender responsible. It's maddening that a woman can't go for a run in daylight, in a busy city with people around, or a trail, or rural iowa, or a golf course, or whatever... because men can't control themselves. There are no perfectly "safe situations" within a woman's control.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Regardless of the idiot upthread who said it was dangerous to "think like that", women do need to be safe--meaning we need to be vigilant and aware of our surroundings when alone. We will always be prey for crazy men simply because we are (mostly) physically weaker. This is nothing new. Waiting for men to change how they act is not a solution so stay safe, ladies!

What do you mean by "stay safe, ladies"? What should ladies do to stay safe, in your opinion?

Oh for pete’s sake, really? Run in well lit and populated areas. Don’t run with headphones. Stay aware of your surroundings. If you run in the street, wear brightly colored clothes or lights so that drivers can see you.

No one ever asks to be raped, killed, hit by a car, etc. But it isn’t victim blaming to encourage people to make choices that might decrease the likelihood of something bad happening.

For example, Logan Circle before 8 pm on a Tuesday night.

Just because I always cross with the light in a crosswalk doesn’t mean I won’t ever be hit by a car, but I’m a lot safer than if I jaywalk mid-block on a busy street. Sometimes you do everything right and bad stuff still happens, which may be the case with this woman. Hearing about tragedies still can make people naturally take stock of their own behaviors. It’s a reminder, not a condemnation.

[Anonymous]

That is so sad, I feel so badly for her family. It sounds like it could have happened to anyone nearby.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Regardless of the idiot upthread who said it was dangerous to "think like that", women do need to be safe--meaning we need to be vigilant and aware of our surroundings when alone. We will always be prey for crazy men simply because we are (mostly) physically weaker. This is nothing new. Waiting for men to change how they act is not a solution so stay safe, ladies!

What do you mean by "stay safe, ladies"? What should ladies do to stay safe, in your opinion?

NP

For starters, don't run alone. Go with a buddy.

I lived 2 blocks from here for many years. It's a place where many people are walking alone all the time-esp at 8 pm. It's just a normal city street at a relatively occupied time. People live here, there are restaurants. Not like going running in the woods or at 5 am when no one is out. I doubt there is anything she could've done other than the luck of not being in that particular place and that particular time.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Regardless of the idiot upthread who said it was dangerous to "think like that", women do need to be safe--meaning we need to be vigilant and aware of our surroundings when alone. We will always be prey for crazy men simply because we are (mostly) physically weaker. This is nothing new. Waiting for men to change how they act is not a solution so stay safe, ladies!

What do you mean by "stay safe, ladies"? What should ladies do to stay safe, in your opinion?

Oh for pete’s sake, really? Run in well lit and populated areas. Don’t run with headphones. Stay aware of your surroundings. If you run in the street, wear brightly colored clothes or lights so that drivers can see you.

No one ever asks to be raped, killed, hit by a car, etc. But it isn’t victim blaming to encourage people to make choices that might decrease the likelihood of something bad happening.

For example, Logan Circle before 8 pm on a Tuesday night.

Just because I always cross with the light in a crosswalk doesn’t mean I won’t ever be hit by a car, but I’m a lot safer than if I jaywalk mid-block on a busy street. Sometimes you do everything right and bad stuff still happens, which may be the case with this woman. Hearing about tragedies still can make people naturally take stock of their own behaviors. It’s a reminder, not a condemnation.

If someone hits someone jaywalking mid-block on a busy street, it's almost certainly an accident. It's not like she just tripped and fell on someone's knife. Willful violence against a woman isn't her burden to bear. There are no perfectly safe conditions for women - the only perfectly safe situation is for men to not attack women. I'm so, so tired of the broken "be careful!" record, because it's simply not in our control.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Regardless of the idiot upthread who said it was dangerous to "think like that", women do need to be safe--meaning we need to be vigilant and aware of our surroundings when alone. We will always be prey for crazy men simply because we are (mostly) physically weaker. This is nothing new. Waiting for men to change how they act is not a solution so stay safe, ladies!

This! x a million.

Act like you live in our current world, not the way you think things "should be." So many people just don't get this.

minus a million

That's how we get to living in a society like Saudi, where women can't go out, travel alone, dress a certain way, because men can't control themselves or their actions. Give the men a curfew. Start redirecting, and telling men to be responsible - explicitly assert: don't attack, don't rape, don't shoot, don't kill, don't assault, etc. When you keep putting it on the shoulders of women, the entitlement of men and boys grow - they have no reason to change their end.

I am a female runner, and I am f*cking tired of this sh!t.

That's quite a leap you're making.

I'm a female runner as well, and I know enough to not run in unsafe situations. It's not that hard.

And lol at "explicitly assert: don't attack, don't rape, don't shoot, don't kill, don't assault, etc." I'm sure they'll listen!

Really? So what did the victim do wrong here? She was running in a populated, largely safe urban neighborhood before dark.

Are we sure it wasn't dark? Incident occurred around 8pm. The sun set yesterday at 7:13. Looks pretty dark out on the surveillance video, too.

[Anonymous]

Odd that so many are looking at this _solely_ through the prism of gender -- men attacking women -- when it might have been a racial hate crime (if the "colors" were reversed, that's the way WaPo would frame it), or just an example of the random risks of trying to go about your life in a culture where feral, drugged-out predators are allowed to prowl the streets unmolested.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Just because I always cross with the light in a crosswalk doesn’t mean I won’t ever be hit by a car, but I’m a lot safer than if I jaywalk mid-block on a busy street. Sometimes you do everything right and bad stuff still happens, which may be the case with this woman. Hearing about tragedies still can make people naturally take stock of their own behaviors. It’s a reminder, not a condemnation.

In other words, staying safe is something that ladies actually can't do.

I've never heard anybody say, "Reduce your risk, ladies!"

(Also, crossing mid-block can be safer than crossing at a crosswalk.)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Victim identified as 35-year-old Wendy Martinez of Northwest.

http://www.fox5dc.com/news/local-news/woman-stabbed-to-death-near-logan-circle-police-say

May she rest in peace.

[Anonymous]

The perp looks like a woman, IMHO.

Here's the MPD's surveillance video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUPVapzYxHk&feature=youtu.be