UVA saw one of the smallest increases in applicants this year

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Anonymous wrote:From what I hear from other parents, there has been less talk/interest in UVA; so I can believe that application growth rate is lower then other colleges. Some points that parents make are: [b]the lack of prestige in STEM at UVA compared to VT and even GMU; the dorms are old and unappealing; a UVA degree does not seem impressive outside of UVA alums. We have not visited the campus yet but it's on our list.
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All wrong. Go read the sobbing of the rejected students on College Confidential in the UVA EA 2022 results and UVA class of 2022 RD results. STEM is doing just fine, thank you very much. The old dorms are being redone the moment students leave for the summer. The new ones look like hotel rooms. The new dorms been up and running for 3 years so I don't know what you are talking about. No one compared STEM at UVA to GMU. A UVA degree is recognized worldwide and in some rankings no. 1 amongst public universities in the United States, always ahead of Michigan. (and it's law school is no. 5 - 7 depending on source and year). It's been no. 1 ahead of UCLA and Berkeley recently. Here it is no. 2. https://news.virginia.edu/content/among-nations-elite-us-news-gives-uva-no-2-public-university-ranking

So what is your real reason for bashing here?


My husband, who hires engineers all the time, can attest to this. Sorry, but UVa STEM education does not have as great of a reputation as the alumni think it does.



That's because engineers coming out of UVA are managers/CEO types. They are not run-of-the-mill engineers like the kind your husband is hiring.


Keep on dreaming.
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Anonymous wrote:From what I hear from other parents, there has been less talk/interest in UVA; so I can believe that application growth rate is lower then other colleges. Some points that parents make are: [b]the lack of prestige in STEM at UVA compared to VT and even GMU; the dorms are old and unappealing; a UVA degree does not seem impressive outside of UVA alums. We have not visited the campus yet but it's on our list.
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All wrong. Go read the sobbing of the rejected students on College Confidential in the UVA EA 2022 results and UVA class of 2022 RD results. STEM is doing just fine, thank you very much. The old dorms are being redone the moment students leave for the summer. The new ones look like hotel rooms. The new dorms been up and running for 3 years so I don't know what you are talking about. No one compared STEM at UVA to GMU. A UVA degree is recognized worldwide and in some rankings no. 1 amongst public universities in the United States, always ahead of Michigan. (and it's law school is no. 5 - 7 depending on source and year). It's been no. 1 ahead of UCLA and Berkeley recently. Here it is no. 2. https://news.virginia.edu/content/among-nations-elite-us-news-gives-uva-no-2-public-university-ranking

So what is your real reason for bashing here?


My husband, who hires engineers all the time, can attest to this. Sorry, but UVa STEM education does not have as great of a reputation as the alumni think it does.



That's because engineers coming out of UVA are managers/CEO types. They are not run-of-the-mill engineers like the kind your husband is hiring.


Keep on dreaming.



Eat it. https://news.virginia.edu/content/among-nations-elite-us-news-gives-uva-no-2-public-university-ranking
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Anonymous wrote:From what I hear from other parents, there has been less talk/interest in UVA; so I can believe that application growth rate is lower then other colleges. Some points that parents make are: [b]the lack of prestige in STEM at UVA compared to VT and even GMU; the dorms are old and unappealing; a UVA degree does not seem impressive outside of UVA alums. We have not visited the campus yet but it's on our list.
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All wrong. Go read the sobbing of the rejected students on College Confidential in the UVA EA 2022 results and UVA class of 2022 RD results. STEM is doing just fine, thank you very much. The old dorms are being redone the moment students leave for the summer. The new ones look like hotel rooms. The new dorms been up and running for 3 years so I don't know what you are talking about. No one compared STEM at UVA to GMU. A UVA degree is recognized worldwide and in some rankings no. 1 amongst public universities in the United States, always ahead of Michigan. (and it's law school is no. 5 - 7 depending on source and year). It's been no. 1 ahead of UCLA and Berkeley recently. Here it is no. 2. https://news.virginia.edu/content/among-nations-elite-us-news-gives-uva-no-2-public-university-ranking

So what is your real reason for bashing here?


My husband, who hires engineers all the time, can attest to this. Sorry, but UVa STEM education does not have as great of a reputation as the alumni think it does.



That's because engineers coming out of UVA are managers/CEO types. They are not run-of-the-mill engineers like the kind your husband is hiring.


Keep on dreaming.



You really should learn to Google instead of relying on some banality your husband said. https://news.virginia.edu/content/successful-stem-program-led-uva-nets-new-grant-expand
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Anonymous wrote:From what I hear from other parents, there has been less talk/interest in UVA; so I can believe that application growth rate is lower then other colleges. Some points that parents make are: the lack of prestige in STEM at UVA compared to VT and even GMU; the dorms are old and unappealing; a UVA degree does not seem impressive outside of UVA alums. We have not visited the campus yet but it's on our list.



All wrong. Go read the sobbing of the rejected students on College Confidential in the UVA EA 2022 results and UVA class of 2022 RD results. STEM is doing just fine, thank you very much. The old dorms are being redone the moment students leave for the summer. The new ones look like hotel rooms. The new dorms been up and running for 3 years so I don't know what you are talking about. No one compared STEM at UVA to GMU. A UVA degree is recognized worldwide and in some rankings no. 1 amongst public universities in the United States, always ahead of Michigan. (and it's law school is no. 5 - 7 depending on source and year). It's been no. 1 ahead of UCLA and Berkeley recently. Here it is no. 2. https://news.virginia.edu/content/among-nations-elite-us-news-gives-uva-no-2-public-university-ranking

So what is your real reason for bashing here?


I just wanted to make sure I understand ... any negative comment, opinion, articles about UVA is either a vast conspiracy of UVA hatred or very jealous rejected hopefuls. And from now on, if I come by a critical UVA posting on this DCForum, it is from one individual who has chosen this forum as his chosen medium to spread ugly hatred against impeccable UVA or a crying, lonely, loser teenager who is angry that he was not accepted into UVA.

I'm sorry if my posting sounded as if I would be bashing a stellar institution like UVA that warrants absolutely no criticism. I'm sure there are absolutely great explanations that the WaPo would write an article about UVA being the 5th school in America with the highest reported sexual assaults. But I know, the WaPo are a bunch of UVA rejects just trying to smear this immaculate school. But no worries, with all their CEOs and managers and winners that UVA has produces, UVA must be a treasure trove of alumi donations.

The tears falling on my face may look like from laughter, but it's from the hollow empty feeling that I will never be able to commiserate with fellow UVA parents. They are the best parents - not delusional at all.
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Anonymous wrote:From what I hear from other parents, there has been less talk/interest in UVA; so I can believe that application growth rate is lower then other colleges. Some points that parents make are: the lack of prestige in STEM at UVA compared to VT and even GMU; the dorms are old and unappealing; a UVA degree does not seem impressive outside of UVA alums. We have not visited the campus yet but it's on our list.



All wrong. Go read the sobbing of the rejected students on College Confidential in the UVA EA 2022 results and UVA class of 2022 RD results. STEM is doing just fine, thank you very much. The old dorms are being redone the moment students leave for the summer. The new ones look like hotel rooms. The new dorms been up and running for 3 years so I don't know what you are talking about. No one compared STEM at UVA to GMU. A UVA degree is recognized worldwide and in some rankings no. 1 amongst public universities in the United States, always ahead of Michigan. (and it's law school is no. 5 - 7 depending on source and year). It's been no. 1 ahead of UCLA and Berkeley recently. Here it is no. 2. https://news.virginia.edu/content/among-nations-elite-us-news-gives-uva-no-2-public-university-ranking

So what is your real reason for bashing here?


I just wanted to make sure I understand ... any negative comment, opinion, articles about UVA is either a vast conspiracy of UVA hatred or very jealous rejected hopefuls. And from now on, if I come by a critical UVA posting on this DCForum, it is from one individual who has chosen this forum as his chosen medium to spread ugly hatred against impeccable UVA or a crying, lonely, loser teenager who is angry that he was not accepted into UVA.

I'm sorry if my posting sounded as if I would be bashing a stellar institution like UVA that warrants absolutely no criticism. I'm sure there are absolutely great explanations that the WaPo would write an article about UVA being the 5th school in America with the highest reported sexual assaults. But I know, the WaPo are a bunch of UVA rejects just trying to smear this immaculate school. But no worries, with all their CEOs and managers and winners that UVA has produces, UVA must be a treasure trove of alumi donations.

The tears falling on my face may look like from laughter, but it's from the hollow empty feeling that I will never be able to commiserate with fellow UVA parents. They are the best parents - not delusional at all.



Your post was ignorant of facts. So the question remains: why are you bashing UVA? Is it for sporting pleasure? Did someone you know didn't get in? Did you not get in? Are you a Virginian upset at the current 2/3 instate rule? You clearly don't know anything about the institution based upon your "I've heard that" comments. You were wrong on all points. I don't bash on a school I know nothing about. Does it make you feel better to bash? The OP (you?) posted an absurd comment - which happened to tie into another four or five recent attempts to start threads bashing UVA. All within a week of the RDs coming out (Surprise! Angry parents and students = more complaining on DCUM). I would much rather debate whether or not UVA should allow 80% instate, as the U.C. system is doing versus 2/3, but for people to deride the school for having 37,000+ applications is just bizarre. It's better to post nothing if you are ignorant. Cry or weep, why do you think I care?

Now, the 2/3 rule is something worthy of discussion (putting aside all the other absurd statements made in this thread). Currently, 2/3 of the seats at UVA --are for Virginians. 1/3 goes to OOS and international. NoVA parents hate this. Every year bills are introduced into the General Assembly to raise the number of seats for Fairfax Virginians because parents perceive the current system to be unfair. Those bills never go anywhere. But parents are - quite rightly - angry that their kids with stellar academics and scores can't get into the state's flagship. The UC system recently bowed to the pressure brought on by CA voters and made the UC system 80% Californian, which means the OOS and internationals will be vying for only those 20% slots. Should UVA follow suit? I don't know the answer. Currently, the UVA Board wants to make the state flagship into a world-class center of excellence in education and it is doing just that, and that requires bringing in more OOS and especially international students. There are another 14 four- year institutions in the Commonwealth for Virginia students to attend. Perhaps it should stay just that way. Or perhaps UVA should do what California has done. There's also the Texas model which has a 10% rule. If you are in the top 10% of your class, you're an automatic in in Texas state universities. Perhaps that might be a more fair system but it would lead to fewer URM students at UVA. If we use the 10% model, then ALL the ten-percenters in the state would be at UVA (and coming from Fairfax County) and there would be no room for the transfers from NVCC, the internationals, the athletes, the URMs, the low-income, the first-generation students. These issues are worth debating and taking up with our local Commonwealth representatives. But fighting over things mentioned in this forum that happened years ago, status of STEM without Googling it, claiming students or parents (I don't know which they are talking about) are "snobs" or "preppy" is the act of desperate people who have nothing else to do on a Saturday night other than complain. What we need is a healthy discussion of the Virginia state university system. UVA does have some issues and this 2/3 rule is one of them. STEM, however, is not one of those issues since UVA is leading a consortium of schools on that very issue. So the unhappy students and parents throw out lame complaints like "someone was murdered there" (not true), "the rioting hurt the school" (it didn't AA applicatons are up); "there's too many snobs" (parents? teachers? students? Where are they? I sure haven't met them); "my husband says engineering is better at Tech ". . . .why would a reader care about a woman's statement that her husband may or may not have said and why should it be posted on this board? And it wasn't even correct! Those are the issues that bother me to the point where I feel I need to stand up (and post) because it is just so easy to sit in front of your laptop and say anything you want behind your anonymous shield. That's just not good ethical conduct and it reduces the value of DCUM overall to have these "mean girl" food fights over prejudicial views of a university they have never visited. The moment someone starts in with (and it's always the women) "I've heard that . . . " you know some weird unfounded assumption and gossip about UVA is about to be dumped out like an old stinky fish on a traw;er, so then the rational DCUMers who do know a lot about UVA feel obliged to enter the conversation to correct those ignorant statements.
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Anonymous wrote:From what I hear from other parents, there has been less talk/interest in UVA; so I can believe that application growth rate is lower then other colleges. Some points that parents make are: the lack of prestige in STEM at UVA compared to VT and even GMU; the dorms are old and unappealing; a UVA degree does not seem impressive outside of UVA alums. We have not visited the campus yet but it's on our list.



All wrong. Go read the sobbing of the rejected students on College Confidential in the UVA EA 2022 results and UVA class of 2022 RD results. STEM is doing just fine, thank you very much. The old dorms are being redone the moment students leave for the summer. The new ones look like hotel rooms. The new dorms been up and running for 3 years so I don't know what you are talking about. No one compared STEM at UVA to GMU. A UVA degree is recognized worldwide and in some rankings no. 1 amongst public universities in the United States, always ahead of Michigan. (and it's law school is no. 5 - 7 depending on source and year). It's been no. 1 ahead of UCLA and Berkeley recently. Here it is no. 2. https://news.virginia.edu/content/among-nations-elite-us-news-gives-uva-no-2-public-university-ranking

So what is your real reason for bashing here?


I just wanted to make sure I understand ... any negative comment, opinion, articles about UVA is either a vast conspiracy of UVA hatred or very jealous rejected hopefuls. And from now on, if I come by a critical UVA posting on this DCForum, it is from one individual who has chosen this forum as his chosen medium to spread ugly hatred against impeccable UVA or a crying, lonely, loser teenager who is angry that he was not accepted into UVA.

I'm sorry if my posting sounded as if I would be bashing a stellar institution like UVA that warrants absolutely no criticism. I'm sure there are absolutely great explanations that the WaPo would write an article about UVA being the 5th school in America with the highest reported sexual assaults. But I know, the WaPo are a bunch of UVA rejects just trying to smear this immaculate school. But no worries, with all their CEOs and managers and winners that UVA has produces, UVA must be a treasure trove of alumi donations.

The tears falling on my face may look like from laughter, but it's from the hollow empty feeling that I will never be able to commiserate with fellow UVA parents. They are the best parents - not delusional at all.


Sorry you didn’t get to get the “UVA Mom” bumper sticker. I’m sure they have an equivalent one for George Mason.
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Anonymous wrote:[quote=Anonymous][b]I found this post comparing Class of 2022 acceptance rates with Class of 2021 acceptance rates

Why did UVA get such a small increase in applicants this year than other schools?
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Why do you look at it a negative, Oh UMD student who didn't get in? It was a record year for UVA both in EA and RD decisions. Since 2015, the number of applications have grown 31%. 37,000 applied this year, 1,500 more than the previously. 10,000 bright students are on the waiting list, anxious to take a seat. There are no issues. And bringing the race riots into this is unfair both to the administration and students. I was on campus that day and saw everything that Teresa Sullivan did to keep the alt.-right off the campus but since it is a public university there was little she could do but call the police, who tried to direct the protestors. I'm reporting the race comments. I also think you are the same person who started the other "Is UVA going down" thread.

I am sorry you were on campus that dreadful day, but President Sullivan didn’t do everything she could to protect the students and faculty on campus that day. This Chronicle of Higher Education article describes her missteps - https://www.chronicle.com/article/Did-UVa-Miss-Signs-of-Looming/240928 - as she reacted very slowly to warnings that the march was headed toward campus. The tiki torches also should have been banned under the school’s rules against open flames on campus. https://www.chronicle.com/article/Why-Did-UVa-Allow-Banned/241019 So President Sullivan should in no way be praised for actions in August. It’s good that she’s retiring this year.
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Anonymous wrote:This is a funny thread. To think that a College that received >37K applications (for an eventual class of ~3,800) and an offer rate of <26% is considered “failing”.

WSJ has a recent article about a reckoning separating the best and worst colleges into winners and losers - many colleges are struggling with enrollment and financial stability. Most colleges would KILL for UVA’s problem of applications:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/after-decades-of-growth-colleges-find-its-survival-of-the-fittest-1519209001?redirect=amp#click=https://t.co/RAWERsstw0



My college would kill for 37,000+ applicants. It's lucky if it gets 1,000. UVA's applications are up 35% since 2013. https://news.virginia.edu/content/uva-tops-admission-application-record-third-straight-year.




Which college only gets 1000 applicants?
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Anonymous wrote:From what I hear from other parents, there has been less talk/interest in UVA; so I can believe that application growth rate is lower then other colleges. Some points that parents make are: the lack of prestige in STEM at UVA compared to VT and even GMU; the dorms are old and unappealing; a UVA degree does not seem impressive outside of UVA alums. We have not visited the campus yet but it's on our list.



All wrong. Go read the sobbing of the rejected students on College Confidential in the UVA EA 2022 results and UVA class of 2022 RD results. STEM is doing just fine, thank you very much. The old dorms are being redone the moment students leave for the summer. The new ones look like hotel rooms. The new dorms been up and running for 3 years so I don't know what you are talking about. No one compared STEM at UVA to GMU. A UVA degree is recognized worldwide and in some rankings no. 1 amongst public universities in the United States, always ahead of Michigan. (and it's law school is no. 5 - 7 depending on source and year). It's been no. 1 ahead of UCLA and Berkeley recently. Here it is no. 2. https://news.virginia.edu/content/among-nations-elite-us-news-gives-uva-no-2-public-university-ranking

So what is your real reason for bashing here?


I just wanted to make sure I understand ... any negative comment, opinion, articles about UVA is either a vast conspiracy of UVA hatred or very jealous rejected hopefuls. And from now on, if I come by a critical UVA posting on this DCForum, it is from one individual who has chosen this forum as his chosen medium to spread ugly hatred against impeccable UVA or a crying, lonely, loser teenager who is angry that he was not accepted into UVA.

I'm sorry if my posting sounded as if I would be bashing a stellar institution like UVA that warrants absolutely no criticism. I'm sure there are absolutely great explanations that the WaPo would write an article about UVA being the 5th school in America with the highest reported sexual assaults. But I know, the WaPo are a bunch of UVA rejects just trying to smear this immaculate school. But no worries, with all their CEOs and managers and winners that UVA has produces, UVA must be a treasure trove of alumi donations.

The tears falling on my face may look like from laughter, but it's from the hollow empty feeling that I will never be able to commiserate with fellow UVA parents. They are the best parents - not delusional at all.


Sorry you didn’t get to get the “UVA Mom” bumper sticker. I’m sure they have an equivalent one for George Mason.




Stupid comments like these from the UVA boosters make people hate the UVA boosters. Way to fuel the fire, chump.

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Anonymous wrote:From what I hear from other parents, there has been less talk/interest in UVA; so I can believe that application growth rate is lower then other colleges. Some points that parents make are: [b]the lack of prestige in STEM at UVA compared to VT and even GMU; the dorms are old and unappealing; a UVA degree does not seem impressive outside of UVA alums. We have not visited the campus yet but it's on our list.
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All wrong. Go read the sobbing of the rejected students on College Confidential in the UVA EA 2022 results and UVA class of 2022 RD results. STEM is doing just fine, thank you very much. The old dorms are being redone the moment students leave for the summer. The new ones look like hotel rooms. The new dorms been up and running for 3 years so I don't know what you are talking about. No one compared STEM at UVA to GMU. A UVA degree is recognized worldwide and in some rankings no. 1 amongst public universities in the United States, always ahead of Michigan. (and it's law school is no. 5 - 7 depending on source and year). It's been no. 1 ahead of UCLA and Berkeley recently. Here it is no. 2. https://news.virginia.edu/content/among-nations-elite-us-news-gives-uva-no-2-public-university-ranking

So what is your real reason for bashing here?


My husband, who hires engineers all the time, can attest to this. Sorry, but UVa STEM education does not have as great of a reputation as the alumni think it does.



That's because engineers coming out of UVA are managers/CEO types. They are not run-of-the-mill engineers like the kind your husband is hiring.



How many UVA engineering grads get hired as a CEO after graduation?

UVA engineering is perfectly fine, but it’s not on my radar at all as a STEM hiring manager. We recruit from top STEM campuses up & down the East Coast and UVA is not one of our stops. We will interview a candidate here or there but it’s not drawing in recruiters like other hard-core STEM programs.

It’s a great school but not really a STEM school. It’s not trying to be so that's not intended an insult, UVA nutters. It’s just an observation.
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It's tiresome to read that anyone who has something negative to say about UVA must be some sad reject

The snobby attitude is too much

In general, UVA associated people tend to be not as cool as most people
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I'm laughing so much at the insecurity here. As someone who works for advancement and monitors admissions data, I would be concerned if I saw the smallest increase in applicants among the US News top 30 universities. In a year where the average school saw apps go up by 9%, that UVA only did by 1% would warrant questions. If you don't think schools are constantly comparing themselves to their peers, you are naive.
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Clearly the riots had something to do with it- don't see how you could argue it didn't influence public opinion. Things should clear up and UVA should be on track with peers in the future. Not worrisome imo. Kind of like when Dartmouth lost 16% in applications 4 or so years ago, but bounced up to where if is now. Or Mizzou, which is picking up again on the admissiona/enrollment side
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Anonymous wrote:From what I hear from other parents, there has been less talk/interest in UVA; so I can believe that application growth rate is lower then other colleges. Some points that parents make are: the lack of prestige in STEM at UVA compared to VT and even GMU; the dorms are old and unappealing; a UVA degree does not seem impressive outside of UVA alums. We have not visited the campus yet but it's on our list.



All wrong. Go read the sobbing of the rejected students on College Confidential in the UVA EA 2022 results and UVA class of 2022 RD results. STEM is doing just fine, thank you very much. The old dorms are being redone the moment students leave for the summer. The new ones look like hotel rooms. The new dorms been up and running for 3 years so I don't know what you are talking about. No one compared STEM at UVA to GMU. A UVA degree is recognized worldwide and in some rankings no. 1 amongst public universities in the United States, always ahead of Michigan. (and it's law school is no. 5 - 7 depending on source and year). It's been no. 1 ahead of UCLA and Berkeley recently. Here it is no. 2. https://news.virginia.edu/content/among-nations-elite-us-news-gives-uva-no-2-public-university-ranking

So what is your real reason for bashing here?


I just wanted to make sure I understand ... any negative comment, opinion, articles about UVA is either a vast conspiracy of UVA hatred or very jealous rejected hopefuls. And from now on, if I come by a critical UVA posting on this DCForum, it is from one individual who has chosen this forum as his chosen medium to spread ugly hatred against impeccable UVA or a crying, lonely, loser teenager who is angry that he was not accepted into UVA.

I'm sorry if my posting sounded as if I would be bashing a stellar institution like UVA that warrants absolutely no criticism. I'm sure there are absolutely great explanations that the WaPo would write an article about UVA being the 5th school in America with the highest reported sexual assaults. But I know, the WaPo are a bunch of UVA rejects just trying to smear this immaculate school. But no worries, with all their CEOs and managers and winners that UVA has produces, UVA must be a treasure trove of alumi donations.

The tears falling on my face may look like from laughter, but it's from the hollow empty feeling that I will never be able to commiserate with fellow UVA parents. They are the best parents - not delusional at all.



Your post was ignorant of facts. So the question remains: why are you bashing UVA? Is it for sporting pleasure? Did someone you know didn't get in? Did you not get in? Are you a Virginian upset at the current 2/3 instate rule? You clearly don't know anything about the institution based upon your "I've heard that" comments. You were wrong on all points. I don't bash on a school I know nothing about. Does it make you feel better to bash? The OP (you?) posted an absurd comment - which happened to tie into another four or five recent attempts to start threads bashing UVA. All within a week of the RDs coming out (Surprise! Angry parents and students = more complaining on DCUM). I would much rather debate whether or not UVA should allow 80% instate, as the U.C. system is doing versus 2/3, but for people to deride the school for having 37,000+ applications is just bizarre. It's better to post nothing if you are ignorant. Cry or weep, why do you think I care?

Now, the 2/3 rule is something worthy of discussion (putting aside all the other absurd statements made in this thread). Currently, 2/3 of the seats at UVA --are for Virginians. 1/3 goes to OOS and international. NoVA parents hate this. Every year bills are introduced into the General Assembly to raise the number of seats for Fairfax Virginians because parents perceive the current system to be unfair. Those bills never go anywhere. But parents are - quite rightly - angry that their kids with stellar academics and scores can't get into the state's flagship. The UC system recently bowed to the pressure brought on by CA voters and made the UC system 80% Californian, which means the OOS and internationals will be vying for only those 20% slots. Should UVA follow suit? I don't know the answer. Currently, the UVA Board wants to make the state flagship into a world-class center of excellence in education and it is doing just that, and that requires bringing in more OOS and especially international students. There are another 14 four- year institutions in the Commonwealth for Virginia students to attend. Perhaps it should stay just that way. Or perhaps UVA should do what California has done. There's also the Texas model which has a 10% rule. If you are in the top 10% of your class, you're an automatic in in Texas state universities. Perhaps that might be a more fair system but it would lead to fewer URM students at UVA. If we use the 10% model, then ALL the ten-percenters in the state would be at UVA (and coming from Fairfax County) and there would be no room for the transfers from NVCC, the internationals, the athletes, the URMs, the low-income, the first-generation students. These issues are worth debating and taking up with our local Commonwealth representatives. But fighting over things mentioned in this forum that happened years ago, status of STEM without Googling it, claiming students or parents (I don't know which they are talking about) are "snobs" or "preppy" is the act of desperate people who have nothing else to do on a Saturday night other than complain. What we need is a healthy discussion of the Virginia state university system. UVA does have some issues and this 2/3 rule is one of them. STEM, however, is not one of those issues since UVA is leading a consortium of schools on that very issue. So the unhappy students and parents throw out lame complaints like "someone was murdered there" (not true), "the rioting hurt the school" (it didn't AA applicatons are up); "there's too many snobs" (parents? teachers? students? Where are they? I sure haven't met them); "my husband says engineering is better at Tech ". . . .why would a reader care about a woman's statement that her husband may or may not have said and why should it be posted on this board? And it wasn't even correct! Those are the issues that bother me to the point where I feel I need to stand up (and post) because it is just so easy to sit in front of your laptop and say anything you want behind your anonymous shield. That's just not good ethical conduct and it reduces the value of DCUM overall to have these "mean girl" food fights over prejudicial views of a university they have never visited. The moment someone starts in with (and it's always the women) "I've heard that . . . " you know some weird unfounded assumption and gossip about UVA is about to be dumped out like an old stinky fish on a traw;er, so then the rational DCUMers who do know a lot about UVA feel obliged to enter the conversation to correct those ignorant statements.


Not the OP, but I did want to quibble with a bit of your post. First, Yeardley Love was a UVA student, murdered by a fellow UVA student. Did that hurt the school's reputation, and is that fair? Don't know, but I think that's one of the murders to which OP was referring.

Second, I have not googled, but I would be very surprised to learn that URM applications were up this year. The stat you cite is for admission, not application. Perhaps more URMs were admitted, but does that necessarily mean more applied? I'm not saying it isn't possible, just that it would surprise me.

Lastly, I think you misunderstand the Texas system. They take the top 10% of students from each individual school, not the top 10% from the state as an aggregate. They moved to this model after a lawsuit against "holistic" admissions, so that they could continue to promote geographic and socioeconomic diversity at UT. Do you have evidence that this has made UT less diverse as a result? A quick Google search indicated that the opposite is true, and I suspect that would be the case for UVA if it ever moved to this model.
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UVA has been soaring to new heights. This thread seems like sour grapes. Haters: Just bloom where you are planted—even if the UVA rejection hurts for awhile and has left you feeling embarrassed in front of gleeful classmates who are accepted and can’t stop talking about it. Be magnanimous in defeat.
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