UVA saw one of the smallest increases in applicants this year

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Anonymous wrote:Does this make you happy? ^^ https://news.virginia.edu/content/new-data-reveals-diversity-rise-uva

No, it's still not answering the question of whether there was a drop in AA application this year compared to other years. I don't know why you're getting so bent out of shape. It would not be out of the realm of possibility that students of color might hesitate to head to Charlottesville after the recent events. I am glad if this is not the case, and even more heartened that even if there was a slight dip in applications that admission is more favorable to student diversity. This is a good thing, and I am happy for UVA. The sooner they cast off the vestiges of Virginia's past, the better. We might even consider it for our children (who are in ES and preschool right now) if this trend continues.

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I do think the rally had something to do with this. That really hurt Charlottesville nationally, even though they had nothing to do with what happened. However, it certainly didn't help to learn that the organizers were UVA grads.




singular - Jason - and he graduated in 2009.Very few people even know that so I don't know what your gripe is. Every school has its troubled students. Look at Va -Tech! UVA had nothing to do with the protest - Jason just took advantage of the visuals on the lawn. Meanwhile Teresa Sullivan did a masterful job of clearing the campus (it happened before school started so few were on campus) and alerted state and county officials to protect the University.

Not true--the fact that a UVA grad (okay, so there was only one) was involved in the organizing was all over the national news. Anyone who was paying attention now knows this. And yes, the group "took advantage of the visuals," which means they could do it again.

Rally leader Richard Spencer also has a UVA degree. The rally leaders took advantage of their knowledge of the campus to make their way to the rotunda to create the visual. Inexplicably, President Sullivan trusted these Nazis to take the route they promised to take. She was caught off guard when they lied and took a different route. I don’t understand why anyone would trust the word of Nazis. But that’s what happened. Perhaps some potential applicants are paying attention to this incompetence.

Let's give President Sullivan the last words on this debate -

"Sullivan: I think it’s fair to say that we were overly trusting in this case. I think that’s right. Our police are trained to work with peaceful demonstrations. Our typical peaceful demonstration is a group of students. They’re trained to basically be there if anything gets out of hand, but that’s essentially, I believe, the mindset that we had going into this. And in retrospect, that wasn’t the right mindset."


You omitted Spencer's advanced degrees from U. of Chicago and Duke. They are more recent. Are those institutions also somehow at fault? And what is the rant about "routes" taken? UVA is a public university - the alt.righters could go anywhere they wanted to exercise their first amendment rights. They also had permits from the city for the protest the next day. Sullivan was not caught off guard. The campus police were later criticized for not being sufficiently alert. She did an admirable job of getting everyone cleared off of campus. http://www.nbc29.com/story/36064974/uva-president-wants-uva-community-to-avoid-unite-the-right Please provide citations for your screed or I'll assume you're another UVA applicant who didn't get in.

Those other degrees aren’t relevant to a discussion about Spencer role at the UVA hate rally.

The Nazi protester deviated from their stated route. Here’s the cite -
http://www.nbc29.com/story/36198844/followup-to-sullivan-response-to-torch-lit-rally-at-uva-8-23-2017 Sullivan and university officials shouldn’t trust Nazis.

The warning you cited applied to the Saturday Rally, not the Friday night March on campus.

I am a UVA alum.

And I was actually there. You have no idea what was happening between the President's office, the local police, the UVA police and the governor's office. Absolutely no idea. You should be ashamed of yourself for making such generalizations about the President of your alma mater who was doing everything in her power to clear the campus of faculty and the few students who were there. If any fault is to be had, it was the UVA police who were confounded. But, as has been noted, UVA is a public university so the Alt-right folks could march anywhere they pleased on campus. And you sound ridiculous about "routes". Even those who haven't gone to UVA know the lawn, the Rotunda. There was no "special route". Spencer wasn't talking to anyone. That was the problem The UVA police (not the President) were later criticized for not paying attention to messaging on social media and the deep dark web. Having personally witnessed the event, I think UVA came off very well and fortunately the chaos moved away from the University the next day. What is your real reason for attacking Sullivan? She's leaving anyhow. You have some agenda here.

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I do think the rally had something to do with this. That really hurt Charlottesville nationally, even though they had nothing to do with what happened. However, it certainly didn't help to learn that the organizers were UVA grads.




singular - Jason - and he graduated in 2009.Very few people even know that so I don't know what your gripe is. Every school has its troubled students. Look at Va -Tech! UVA had nothing to do with the protest - Jason just took advantage of the visuals on the lawn. Meanwhile Teresa Sullivan did a masterful job of clearing the campus (it happened before school started so few were on campus) and alerted state and county officials to protect the University.

Not true--the fact that a UVA grad (okay, so there was only one) was involved in the organizing was all over the national news. Anyone who was paying attention now knows this. And yes, the group "took advantage of the visuals," which means they could do it again.

Rally leader Richard Spencer also has a UVA degree. The rally leaders took advantage of their knowledge of the campus to make their way to the rotunda to create the visual. Inexplicably, President Sullivan trusted these Nazis to take the route they promised to take. She was caught off guard when they lied and took a different route. I don’t understand why anyone would trust the word of Nazis. But that’s what happened. Perhaps some potential applicants are paying attention to this incompetence.

You omitted Spencer's advanced degrees from U. of Chicago and Duke. They are more recent. Are those institutions also somehow at fault? And what is the rant about "routes" taken? UVA is a public university - the alt.righters could go anywhere they wanted to exercise their first amendment rights. They also had permits from the city for the protest the next day. Sullivan was not caught off guard. The campus police were later criticized for not being sufficiently alert. She did an admirable job of getting everyone cleared off of campus. http://www.nbc29.com/story/36064974/uva-president-wants-uva-community-to-avoid-unite-the-right Please provide citations for your screed or I'll assume you're another UVA applicant who didn't get in.

Those other degrees aren’t relevant to a discussion about Spencer role at the UVA hate rally.

The Nazi protester deviated from their stated route. Here’s the cite -
http://www.nbc29.com/story/36198844/followup-to-sullivan-response-to-torch-lit-rally-at-uva-8-23-2017 Sullivan and university officials shouldn’t trust Nazis.

The warning you cited applied to the Saturday Rally, not the Friday night March on campus.

I am a UVA alum.

And I was actually there. You have no idea what was happening between the President's office, the local police, the UVA police and the governor's office. Absolutely no idea. You should be ashamed of yourself for making such generalizations about the President of your alma mater who was doing everything in her power to clear the campus of faculty and the few students who were there. If any fault is to be had, it was the UVA police who were confounded. But, as has been noted, UVA is a public university so the Alt-right folks could march anywhere they pleased on campus. And you sound ridiculous about "routes". Even those who haven't gone to UVA know the lawn, the Rotunda. There was no "special route". Spencer wasn't talking to anyone. That was the problem The UVA police (not the President) were later criticized for not paying attention to messaging on social media and the deep dark web. Having personally witnessed the event, I think UVA came off very well and fortunately the chaos moved away from the University the next day. What is your real reason for attacking Sullivan? She's leaving anyhow. You have some agenda here.

Let's give President Sullivan the last words in this debate -

"Sullivan: I think it’s fair to say that we were overly trusting in this case. I think that’s right. Our police are trained to work with peaceful demonstrations. Our typical peaceful demonstration is a group of students. They’re trained to basically be there if anything gets out of hand, but that’s essentially, I believe, the mindset that we had going into this. And in retrospect, that wasn’t the right mindset."

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I do think the rally had something to do with this. That really hurt Charlottesville nationally, even though they had nothing to do with what happened. However, it certainly didn't help to learn that the organizers were UVA grads.




singular - Jason - and he graduated in 2009.Very few people even know that so I don't know what your gripe is. Every school has its troubled students. Look at Va -Tech! UVA had nothing to do with the protest - Jason just took advantage of the visuals on the lawn. Meanwhile Teresa Sullivan did a masterful job of clearing the campus (it happened before school started so few were on campus) and alerted state and county officials to protect the University.

Not true--the fact that a UVA grad (okay, so there was only one) was involved in the organizing was all over the national news. Anyone who was paying attention now knows this. And yes, the group "took advantage of the visuals," which means they could do it again.

Rally leader Richard Spencer also has a UVA degree. The rally leaders took advantage of their knowledge of the campus to make their way to the rotunda to create the visual. Inexplicably, President Sullivan trusted these Nazis to take the route they promised to take. She was caught off guard when they lied and took a different route. I don’t understand why anyone would trust the word of Nazis. But that’s what happened. Perhaps some potential applicants are paying attention to this incompetence.

You omitted Spencer's advanced degrees from U. of Chicago and Duke. They are more recent. Are those institutions also somehow at fault? And what is the rant about "routes" taken? UVA is a public university - the alt.righters could go anywhere they wanted to exercise their first amendment rights. They also had permits from the city for the protest the next day. Sullivan was not caught off guard. The campus police were later criticized for not being sufficiently alert. She did an admirable job of getting everyone cleared off of campus. http://www.nbc29.com/story/36064974/uva-president-wants-uva-community-to-avoid-unite-the-right Please provide citations for your screed or I'll assume you're another UVA applicant who didn't get in.

Those other degrees aren’t relevant to a discussion about Spencer role at the UVA hate rally.

The Nazi protester deviated from their stated route. Here’s the cite -
http://www.nbc29.com/story/36198844/followup-to-sullivan-response-to-torch-lit-rally-at-uva-8-23-2017 Sullivan and university officials shouldn’t trust Nazis.

The warning you cited applied to the Saturday Rally, not the Friday night March on campus.

I am a UVA alum.

And I was actually there. You have no idea what was happening between the President's office, the local police, the UVA police and the governor's office. Absolutely no idea. You should be ashamed of yourself for making such generalizations about the President of your alma mater who was doing everything in her power to clear the campus of faculty and the few students who were there. If any fault is to be had, it was the UVA police who were confounded. But, as has been noted, UVA is a public university so the Alt-right folks could march anywhere they pleased on campus. And you sound ridiculous about "routes". Even those who haven't gone to UVA know the lawn, the Rotunda. There was no "special route". Spencer wasn't talking to anyone. That was the problem The UVA police (not the President) were later criticized for not paying attention to messaging on social media and the deep dark web. Having personally witnessed the event, I think UVA came off very well and fortunately the chaos moved away from the University the next day. What is your real reason for attacking Sullivan? She's leaving anyhow. You have some agenda here.

[b]Let's give President Sullivan the last words in this debate -

"Sullivan: I think it’s fair to say that we were overly trusting in this case. I think that’s right. Our police are trained to work with peaceful demonstrations. Our typical peaceful demonstration is a group of students. They’re trained to basically be there if anything gets out of hand, but that’s essentially, I believe, the mindset that we had going into this. And in retrospect, that wasn’t the right mindset."


Correct. The UVA POLICE were caught unprepared not President Sullivan. No one knew the size of the protest, the violence that would ensue or even about the tiki torches. Now the state police and university police know they have to track messaging in chat groups and the deep dark web. They had not been trained to do that.

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Anonymous wrote:This lame hatred arises from so much jealousy. It’s rough out there in nova. Just thrive at your second choice.

There are a lot of "sour grape" mommies on DCUM for UVA and TJ. They come out in droves to bash both insititutions whenever they get an opportunity. Must learn to ignore.

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Anonymous wrote:This lame hatred arises from so much jealousy. It’s rough out there in nova. Just thrive at your second choice.

There are a lot of "sour grape" mommies on DCUM for UVA and TJ. They come out in droves to bash both insititutions whenever they get an opportunity. Must learn to ignore.

^ Reasons why people hate the UVA boosters.

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Anonymous wrote:This lame hatred arises from so much jealousy. It’s rough out there in nova. Just thrive at your second choice.

There are a lot of "sour grape" mommies on DCUM for UVA and TJ. They come out in droves to bash both insititutions whenever they get an opportunity. Must learn to ignore.

^ Reasons why people hate the UVA boosters.

See.. Another "sour grapes" mommy. <Ignore>

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Anonymous wrote:This lame hatred arises from so much jealousy. It’s rough out there in nova. Just thrive at your second choice.

T[b]here are a lot of "sour grape" mommies on DCUM for UVA and TJ. They come out in droves to bash both insititutions whenever they get an opportunity. Must learn to ignore.

^ Reasons why people hate the UVA boosters.

See.. Another "sour grapes" mommy. <Ignore>

Brilliant! And, unfortunately, true. I know a lot of "sour grape mommies" who wanted to get their kids into RJ or UVA. The recent announcement of RD acceptances was brutal, as was Va Tech's. Virginians who really thought they could get into VT did not. Virginians who looked at the SCHEV reports and their high school Naviance just gave up and didn't even apply to UVA (the reason why applications are down). It's just getting more and more difficult to get into these schools. But I wish the moms (and dads and kids if on this board) to conduct themselves with class, or to use a word used by someone several pages back - to "be magnanimous" and not delight in bashing the schools here on DCUM.

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Anonymous wrote:From what I hear from other parents, there has been less talk/interest in UVA; so I can believe that application growth rate is lower then other colleges. Some points that parents make are: the lack of prestige in STEM at UVA compared to VT and even GMU; the dorms are old and unappealing; a UVA degree does not seem impressive outside of UVA alums. We have not visited the campus yet but it's on our list.

All wrong. Go read the sobbing of the rejected students on College Confidential in the UVA EA 2022 results and UVA class of 2022 RD results. STEM is doing just fine, thank you very much. The old dorms are being redone the moment students leave for the summer. The new ones look like hotel rooms. The new dorms been up and running for 3 years so I don't know what you are talking about. No one compared STEM at UVA to GMU. A UVA degree is recognized worldwide and in some rankings no. 1 amongst public universities in the United States, always ahead of Michigan. (and it's law school is no. 5 - 7 depending on source and year). It's been no. 1 ahead of UCLA and Berkeley recently. Here it is no. 2. https://news.virginia.edu/content/among-nations-elite-us-news-gives-uva-no-2-public-university-ranking

So what is your real reason for bashing here?

I just wanted to make sure I understand ... any negative comment, opinion, articles about UVA is either a vast conspiracy of UVA hatred or very jealous rejected hopefuls. And from now on, if I come by a critical UVA posting on this DCForum, it is from one individual who has chosen this forum as his chosen medium to spread ugly hatred against impeccable UVA or a crying, lonely, loser teenager who is angry that he was not accepted into UVA.

I'm sorry if my posting sounded as if I would be bashing a stellar institution like UVA that warrants absolutely no criticism. I'm sure there are absolutely great explanations that the WaPo would write an article about UVA being the 5th school in America with the highest reported sexual assaults. But I know, the WaPo are a bunch of UVA rejects just trying to smear this immaculate school. But no worries, with all their CEOs and managers and winners that UVA has produces, UVA must be a treasure trove of alumi donations.

The tears falling on my face may look like from laughter, but it's from the hollow empty feeling that I will never be able to commiserate with fellow UVA parents. They are the best parents - not delusional at all.

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Anonymous wrote:From what I hear from other parents, there has been less talk/interest in UVA; so I can believe that application growth rate is lower then other colleges. Some points that parents make are: the lack of prestige in STEM at UVA compared to VT and even GMU; the dorms are old and unappealing; a UVA degree does not seem impressive outside of UVA alums. We have not visited the campus yet but it's on our list.

All wrong. Go read the sobbing of the rejected students on College Confidential in the UVA EA 2022 results and UVA class of 2022 RD results. STEM is doing just fine, thank you very much. The old dorms are being redone the moment students leave for the summer. The new ones look like hotel rooms. The new dorms been up and running for 3 years so I don't know what you are talking about. No one compared STEM at UVA to GMU. A UVA degree is recognized worldwide and in some rankings no. 1 amongst public universities in the United States, always ahead of Michigan. (and it's law school is no. 5 - 7 depending on source and year). It's been no. 1 ahead of UCLA and Berkeley recently. Here it is no. 2. https://news.virginia.edu/content/among-nations-elite-us-news-gives-uva-no-2-public-university-ranking

So what is your real reason for bashing here?

I just wanted to make sure I understand ... any negative comment, opinion, articles about UVA is either a vast conspiracy of UVA hatred or very jealous rejected hopefuls. And from now on, if I come by a critical UVA posting on this DCForum, it is from one individual who has chosen this forum as his chosen medium to spread ugly hatred against impeccable UVA or a crying, lonely, loser teenager who is angry that he was not accepted into UVA.

I'm sorry if my posting sounded as if I would be bashing a stellar institution like UVA that warrants absolutely no criticism. I'm sure there are absolutely great explanations that the WaPo would write an article about UVA being the 5th school in America with the highest reported sexual assaults. But I know, the WaPo are a bunch of UVA rejects just trying to smear this immaculate school. But no worries, with all their CEOs and managers and winners that UVA has produces, UVA must be a treasure trove of alumi donations.

The tears falling on my face may look like from laughter, but it's from the hollow empty feeling that I will never be able to commiserate with fellow UVA parents. They are the best parents - not delusional at all.

If I get what you're saying through all that mumble jumble that the federal reporting of cases to the Department of Education is a bad thing, you need to read this. The fact that UVA was the fifth in number means that sexual harassment is taken seriously at UVA and reported to the federal Department of Education, Office of Civil Rights, as they are supposed to do under the Cleary Act. The problem is that for decades colleges and universities would sweep these sexual harassment claims under the rug. Read the article. The fact that large numbers are being reported to the feds is a GOOD thing. It means the message is getting out that these types of harassment will not be tolerated and that the schools are taking this problem seriously, opening files, reporting to the police and then file formal paperwork with the feds for each incident. Note also in the article that the fact that UVA is 5th in reporting (35 rapes or so) confuses parents because that's 35 rapes per 25,000. Then the article points out that Brown or some of the others with both higher and lower reports reports actually had much higher incidences of rape per capita because the school's population is so small. You have to take the size of the school into consideration. My own college was fined by the Department of Ed for underreporting these incidences. So reporting is a good thing. Please read this before you bash UVA with your incorrect reading of statistics. http://www.dailyprogress.com/news/local/statistics-on-uva-sex-assaults-seen-as-success-of-awareness/article_e756e9d4-2eb0-11e6-93cf-1f1434a6f293.html

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Here is a list of all reportable offenses that UVA reports to the U.S. Department of Education under the Clery Act. As you can see, sexual assault can mean many things (robbery for instance is included). So the Daily Progress article is pointing out that 34-45 Clery reports in one year for a campus of almost 24,000 is a very good record. http://cleryact.virginia.edu/clery-reportable-crimes

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Anonymous wrote:From what I hear from other parents, there has been less talk/interest in UVA; so I can believe that application growth rate is lower then other colleges. Some points that parents make are: the lack of prestige in STEM at UVA compared to VT and even GMU; the dorms are old and unappealing; a UVA degree does not seem impressive outside of UVA alums. We have not visited the campus yet but it's on our list.

All wrong. Go read the sobbing of the rejected students on College Confidential in the UVA EA 2022 results and UVA class of 2022 RD results. STEM is doing just fine, thank you very much. The old dorms are being redone the moment students leave for the summer. The new ones look like hotel rooms. The new dorms been up and running for 3 years so I don't know what you are talking about. No one compared STEM at UVA to GMU. A UVA degree is recognized worldwide and in some rankings no. 1 amongst public universities in the United States, always ahead of Michigan. (and it's law school is no. 5 - 7 depending on source and year). It's been no. 1 ahead of UCLA and Berkeley recently. Here it is no. 2. https://news.virginia.edu/content/among-nations-elite-us-news-gives-uva-no-2-public-university-ranking

So what is your real reason for bashing here?

I just wanted to make sure I understand ... any negative comment, opinion, articles about UVA is either a vast conspiracy of UVA hatred or very jealous rejected hopefuls. And from now on, if I come by a critical UVA posting on this DCForum, it is from one individual who has chosen this forum as his chosen medium to spread ugly hatred against impeccable UVA or a crying, lonely, loser teenager who is angry that he was not accepted into UVA.

I'm sorry if my posting sounded as if I would be bashing a stellar institution like UVA that warrants absolutely no criticism. I'm sure there are absolutely great explanations that the WaPo would write an article about UVA being the 5th school in America with the highest reported sexual assaults. But I know, the WaPo are a bunch of UVA rejects just trying to smear this immaculate school. But no worries, with all their CEOs and managers and winners that UVA has produces, UVA must be a treasure trove of alumi donations.

The tears falling on my face may look like from laughter, but it's from the hollow empty feeling that I will never be able to commiserate with fellow UVA parents. They are the best parents - not delusional at all.

Sorry you didn’t get to get the “UVA Mom” bumper sticker. I’m sure they have an equivalent one for George Mason.

How many Nobel Prize winners are from UVA? I think it's 2 less then GMU.

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(ignoring the snark). So, as an example, in the case of my college, which had underreported Clery Acts, the Department of Education investigated and found that 79 incidents should have been reported in one year, 35 in the previous year, and 31 in the year before that. My college was fined and a new Clery officer put into place. 79 sexual incidents on a campus of only 1600 students is a lot more to worry about than 35-45 at UVA with 23,500 students.

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As to 23:06's question, i count six Nobels on this very impressive list of UVA graduates: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_University_of_Virginia_people

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And, yes, GMU has two Nobels and three Pulitzers.