Obama was a narcissist and totally self-absorbed according to David Cameron

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Anonymous wrote:As someone who considers herself a pragmatic centrist without any strong ideology one way or another but generally supportive of liberalism and who also follows world affairs and issues, I can tell most of the comments on this thread say more about the poster than the actual subject. But that's typical of the political forum, unfortunately.

The accounts of Obama as told by Hilton have been quietly said by a variety of people over the years and not just Britain's David Cameron. And I must be honest here, while I admired Obama greatly at the onset, as time went on I have come to believe he genuinely is not as bright or intelligent as he thinks he is and that has been to the detriment of his presidency. He is an intelligent man, make no mistakes about that, but not a genius. Unfortunately, he was encircled by the cult of Obama and that allowed him to think himself greater than he really was. This could explain his reluctance to get dirty and fight political battles. Obamacare was created and won by the Democrats on congress (and they got walloped for it). Beyond that his presidency has been mostly speeches filled with platitudes and not much else. I actually even remember Michelle Obama at various points in the 2008 campaign being amazed by some of thing things being said about Obama and once or twice saying, err...no, he's not that special, so in retrospect I am not surprised.

Obama is a vastly better man than Donald Trump ever will be, but that doesn't preclude he is simply not as great or intelligent or wise as he likely thought himself to be and the cult of Obama allowed him to hide from the reality. It's not surprising other world leaders found him frustrating and arrogant. I have read various articles from established figures commenting that Obama loves nothing more than to be at a table and talking about problems and ideological issues, but he does all the talking and doesn't seem receptive to other ideas and perspectives, and most of all, rarely proposes solutions. That could be the consequence of the euphoria that surrounded him so early on, preventing him from seeing his own limits and failings and that certainly did not help his presidency. It may be a problem that stems back to his days as a lecturer, where his job was to lecture and the students listened.

An informed, thoughtful and objective post: thank you!

You stated my own thoughts about Obama way better than I could have done - and I voted for him both times.

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Anonymous wrote:Do you people just comment on DCUM or do you take 2 minutes to read other replies? Y’all don’t see the rampant arrogance of everyone who offers their opinion? All y’all think you’re right all the time and none of y’all listen to anything. Arrogance is widespread and you, Them, me Obama...everybody’s got it.
HOWEVER - your boy Donald is on a whole new level with his narcissism. Dude thinks he’s a combination of Zeus the Messiah and the Last Jedi.

Did y'all notice that the topic was Obama? A bit narcissistic of y'all to change the topic to one you prefer.

Well said.

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Anonymous wrote:That’s great. That’s all you got? Trump apparently conspired with Russia to win the election and is a narcissist.

He did? You ha e period someone else doesn’t, so far no proof of anything, just what’s in your mind

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Who cares what Obama was like he's gone.
Gotta deal with the terrible two-year old ithat's in office right now.

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Every seat of power attracts people who think very well of themselves.

Obama and every other President has had boundless self-confidence.

The difference is how they wield it. Obama will go down in history as a successful President. Trump will not.

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Every seat of power attracts people who think very well of themselves.

Obama and every other President has had boundless self-confidence.

The difference is how they wield it. Obama will go down in history as a successful President. Trump will not.

+1

We will see who gets invited to the royal wedding.

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Anonymous wrote:Obama is a typical narcissistic affirmative action baby. Same with his wife.

He would beat you at chess every time. Guaranteed.

I am actually quite good at chess. Second, I didn't say he was dumb. I said he was a narcissistic affirmative action baby.

I'd take Teddy Roosevelt's rough riding machismo or Andrew Jackson's schoolyard bully treatment of indigenous people any day over Donald's ridiculously egotistical attitude. The man is a spoiled prick and when you add to that his clumsy train of thought, childish tantrums, and constant need for attention/adulation there's no comparing this guy to any previous Presidents - they were at the very least adults. If anyone's a baby its Donald.

Great assessment of Trump. Now what do you think about Obama, the subject of this thread?

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Anonymous wrote:I think it takes some narcissistic tendencies to become potus. I would be surprised if there were any past presidents who didn’t have those tendencies, at the least.

That said, Trump is a malignant narcissist. Pathological, grandiose, hostile/bully, impulsivity, lack of empathyparanoid. Classical malignant NPD.

Yes. The key is that even if both are clinical narcissists (and I don't think Obama is), Trump's brand of narcissism is particularly harmful. Quite literally hard to distinguish it from psychopathy.

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Anonymous wrote:
Every seat of power attracts people who think very well of themselves.

Obama and every other President has had boundless self-confidence.

The difference is how they wield it. Obama will go down in history as a successful President. Trump will not.

+1

We will see who gets invited to the royal wedding.

Yes, but the Obamas will be put with her side of the family.

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Anonymous wrote:You really should know who you are citing. Steve Hilton is a Fox News pundit. He is saying what his paymaster wants to hear.

He was very close to Cameron so he should know even if he now works with Fox

That doesn't mean he is now telling the truth. Plus, he was fired so may have incentive to harm Cameron.

No one can harm Cameron more than Cameron harmed himself.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Obama is a typical narcissistic affirmative action baby. Same with his wife.

He would beat you at chess every time. Guaranteed.

I am actually quite good at chess. Second, I didn't say he was dumb. I said he was a narcissistic affirmative action baby.

I'd take Teddy Roosevelt's rough riding machismo or Andrew Jackson's schoolyard bully treatment of indigenous people any day over Donald's ridiculously egotistical attitude. The man is a spoiled prick and when you add to that his clumsy train of thought, childish tantrums, and constant need for attention/adulation there's no comparing this guy to any previous Presidents - they were at the very least adults. If anyone's a baby its Donald.

Great assessment of Trump. Now what do you think about Obama, the subject of this thread?

Lol I see you can't put 1 +1 together. A true Trump follower huh?
Peep this slow brains...Teddy Roosevelt was narcissistic and self-absorbed, Andrew Jackson was narcissistic and self-absorbed, John F. Kennedy was narcissistic and self-absorbed, and yes...Barack Obama was narcissistic and self-absorbed. Not exactly an uncommon character trait for leaders of the free world. But as I intimated, I'd take em all over the present prick in office. They were all adults at the very least.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Obama is a typical narcissistic affirmative action baby. Same with his wife.

He would beat you at chess every time. Guaranteed.

I am actually quite good at chess. Second, I didn't say he was dumb. I said he was a narcissistic affirmative action baby.

Yes, we read you quite clearly. "Affirmative action baby." Bet you spent half your paltry supply of neurons thinking that one up. Gee, what is it about him that makes you think he rose simply because of others handing him undeserved positions and honors rather than through his particular abilities and motivation? Perhaps his skin color? Wow. So original. I'm sure you're happy to belong to the coterie of other slobby thinkers who can't get past the ancestry of any successful AA.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Every seat of power attracts people who think very well of themselves.

Obama and every other President has had boundless self-confidence.

The difference is how they wield it. Obama will go down in history as a successful President. Trump will not.

+1

We will see who gets invited to the royal wedding.

Yes, but the Obamas will be put with her side of the family.

Who are undoubtedly more fun, accomplished, and interesting.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:As someone who considers herself a pragmatic centrist without any strong ideology one way or another but generally supportive of liberalism and who also follows world affairs and issues, I can tell most of the comments on this thread say more about the poster than the actual subject. But that's typical of the political forum, unfortunately.

The accounts of Obama as told by Hilton have been quietly said by a variety of people over the years and not just Britain's David Cameron. And I must be honest here, while I admired Obama greatly at the onset, as time went on I have come to believe he genuinely is not as bright or intelligent as he thinks he is and that has been to the detriment of his presidency. He is an intelligent man, make no mistakes about that, but not a genius. Unfortunately, he was encircled by the cult of Obama and that allowed him to think himself greater than he really was. This could explain his reluctance to get dirty and fight political battles. Obamacare was created and won by the Democrats on congress (and they got walloped for it). Beyond that his presidency has been mostly speeches filled with platitudes and not much else. I actually even remember Michelle Obama at various points in the 2008 campaign being amazed by some of thing things being said about Obama and once or twice saying, err...no, he's not that special, so in retrospect I am not surprised.

Obama is a vastly better man than Donald Trump ever will be, but that doesn't preclude he is simply not as great or intelligent or wise as he likely thought himself to be and the cult of Obama allowed him to hide from the reality. It's not surprising other world leaders found him frustrating and arrogant. I have read various articles from established figures commenting that Obama loves nothing more than to be at a table and talking about problems and ideological issues, but he does all the talking and doesn't seem receptive to other ideas and perspectives, and most of all, rarely proposes solutions. That could be the consequence of the euphoria that surrounded him so early on, preventing him from seeing his own limits and failings and that certainly did not help his presidency. It may be a problem that stems back to his days as a lecturer, where his job was to lecture and the students listened.

I generally agree: i.e., Obama is very smart, but likely not as smart as he thinks he is. That same criticism (not as smart or effective as you think you are) applies to most people, and especially to most powerful people I've known. I don't get the sense that Obama was any more or less guilty of that sin than anyone else in a similar position.

I do get the sense that Cameron's ex-deputy who made this comment was looking to grind a political axe, so I don't put much stock in what he said about Cameron's feelings. I also suspect that Cameron himself is not immune to these same feelings of believing he's smarter and more effective than reality suggests, so to the extent he actually was feeling annoyed with Obama, it may well have risen from frustration that he himself was being overshadowed (i.e., Cameron's own pride and feeling that he was smarter than he really is).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Obama is a typical narcissistic affirmative action baby. Same with his wife.

He would beat you at chess every time. Guaranteed.

I am actually quite good at chess. Second, I didn't say he was dumb. I said he was a narcissistic affirmative action baby.

Yes, we read you quite clearly. "Affirmative action baby." Bet you spent half your paltry supply of neurons thinking that one up. Gee, what is it about him that makes you think he rose simply because of others handing him undeserved positions and honors rather than through his particular abilities and motivation? Perhaps his skin color? Wow. So original. I'm sure you're happy to belong to the coterie of other slobby thinkers who can't get past the ancestry of any successful AA.

No, I've seen what affirmative action does to promising kids -- first it makes them lazy, and then it makes them narcissistic. These kids get an easy pass simply for offering a "perspective."