Iman preached anti-gay message in Orlando a few weeks ago

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:Okay, now say it with me, everyone: religion is bad.

I am personally not religious, but I can't agree with such an unequivocal statement. A lot of good has been done in the name of religion, just as a lot of bad has. There are good and bad people who practice religion, just as there are good and bad people who don't.

[Muslima]

Anonymous wrote:

Muslima wrote:Islam has no monopoly on homophobia.There are tons of Christian communities that are virulently anti-gay. A lot of people murder, rape and terrorize other people and are passed off as mentally ill if they have the right skin color. Most of the homophobia in this country is derived/justified using Christianity. Is it possible ISIS inspired Omar Mateen's actions? It's possible, but pretty damn unlikely. His only connections to ISIS are probably him shouting something about ISIS right before dying to cause exactly the type of rhetoric that is happening right now. For years, he's been talking like he's got connections to whatever was "popular" at the time. After the Boston bombings , he claimed to know the Tsarneavs, which the FBI looked into and found without merit, he also claimed to be a member of Hezbollah, said he had family members in Al-Qaeda, ect.. There are reports now that he also was a regular at Pulse and has been going there for the past 3 years, accounts of him drunk at Pulse, getting into fights, and had an account on a gay dating site. Not what i would call a devout muslim, dying for the cause. Not sure, how true these reports are, but I wouldn't be surprised. He could've just been a closeted, self-hating bigot who couldn't come to terms with who he was.

Amazing map, I wonder why all the Muslim countries are red?

1-Not all Muslim countries are red, and some countries in Red are actually Christian.

I

N THE LATE 1990s, Eric Rudolph — raised Catholic and affiliated for a time with a Christian Identity sect — bombed abortion clinics and a gay bar, insisting they were venues of immorality and evil. Last July, an Orthodox Jewish Israeli attacked the marchers in the Jerusalem LGBT pride parade, stabbing six of them, and one of them, a teenager, died of her wounds; justifying his attacks by appealing to Talmudic punishments for homosexuality, he had just been released from a 10-year prison term for doing the same in 2005. Yesterday, a Christian pastor from Arizona, Steven Anderson, praised the slaughter of 49 people in an Orlando LGBT club on the ground that “homosexuals are a bunch of disgusting perverts” and are “pedophiles.”

A 2015 Pew poll found that U.S. Muslims were more accepting of homosexuality than evangelical Christians, Mormons, and Jehovah’s Witnesses. imilarly, U.S. Muslims are more likely to support same-sex marriage (42 percent support it) than are U.S. evangelicals (28 percent), historically black Protestants (40 percent), Mormons (26 percent) and Jehovah’s Witnesses (14 percent). Indeed, U.S. Muslims are roughly just as likely to support same-sex marriage as Christians generally (44 percent).
Over the last several years, Christian zealots in the U.S. have agitated with both activism and money — often successfully — for the implementation of severely repressive anti-LGBT laws in Christian Africa. That includes Uganda, where they tried to implement the death penalty for homosexuals. The law that was passed, criminalizing homosexuality, has led to severe increases in violent attacks against LGBTs.

Source: https://theintercept.com/2016/06/13/stop-exploiting-lgbt-issues-to-demonize-islam-and-justify-anti-muslim-policies/

We can go on and on about whose religion, ideology, ect is more homophobic. Total waste of time, I do not know of a single sound religious tradition that allows, let alone advocates, for such indiscriminate killing. We have to innoculate ourselves against poisonous absolutist ideologies that deliberately exploit tragedies like this to advance divisive agendas.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There almost seems to be an agenda in the media. Almost as soon as this happens, oeople were out there saying he is mentally ill. He beat his ex-wife. He's bipolar. Etc.

Having mental illness, beating your wife, being bipolar, none of that makes a person murder 50 people. We would have millions of mass murders every day of those things creates mass murderers. Sorry but those are just excuses for his religious beliefs.

There are even more Muslims then there are mentally ill wife beaters. Why are you ruling out mental illness and blaming religion? It would seem reasonable to consider both possibilities.

I can point to documented information from law enforcement re: his extremist views and actions. Can you point to documented medical reports of his that indicate he was mentally ill?

Please point to that documentation. I fully expect that before the investigation is complete, there will be plenty of evidence of his mental instability.

FBI. He was known to them. Immediately. They do not follow a man for two years for suspected terror ties due to his pattern of behavior, without reason. Far more suspicious, is the dropping of him from their investigation, only to have him come back a short time later and shoot up a gay club. They knew he was bad news all along. I'm sure the Obama administration will deem him mentally ill, as will the press. That's their M.O. And you will find others that will state he was NOT mentally ill at all. Obama will admonish FBI for not doing their job right and perhaps sacrifice someone at DHS. That's the M.O.

Problem is, fewer and fewer of the American people are believing it. Nor are they accepting the beat downs anymore (like what just happened on your very own forum when that nice lesbian woman didn't toe the liberal line). While we realize it's hard for some people to accept the realities of evil, we will not allow those who can't accept it to march us to our deaths either. It's pretty clear to me from all the twisting and turning on this forum and in the liberal media, that feeling good about one''s self, and how others see them, is so important to liberals, that it overrules logic.

Was the Imam who spoke in Orlando of gays needing to be killed , mentally ill? How about the Imam of the Mosque that invited him? Mentally ill? The people that listened to him without saying "Hey, you need to leave NOW"? Mentally ill?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There almost seems to be an agenda in the media. Almost as soon as this happens, oeople were out there saying he is mentally ill. He beat his ex-wife. He's bipolar. Etc.

Having mental illness, beating your wife, being bipolar, none of that makes a person murder 50 people. We would have millions of mass murders every day of those things creates mass murderers. Sorry but those are just excuses for his religious beliefs.

There are even more Muslims then there are mentally ill wife beaters. Why are you ruling out mental illness and blaming religion? It would seem reasonable to consider both possibilities.

I can point to documented information from law enforcement re: his extremist views and actions. Can you point to documented medical reports of his that indicate he was mentally ill?

Please point to that documentation. I fully expect that before the investigation is complete, there will be plenty of evidence of his mental instability.

FBI. He was known to them. Immediately. They do not follow a man for two years for suspected terror ties due to his pattern of behavior, without reason. Far more suspicious, is the dropping of him from their investigation, only to have him come back a short time later and shoot up a gay club. They knew he was bad news all along. I'm sure the Obama administration will deem him mentally ill, as will the press. That's their M.O. And you will find others that will state he was NOT mentally ill at all. Obama will admonish FBI for not doing their job right and perhaps sacrifice someone at DHS. That's the M.O.

Problem is, fewer and fewer of the American people are believing it. Nor are they accepting the beat downs anymore (like what just happened on your very own forum when that nice lesbian woman didn't toe the liberal line). While we realize it's hard for some people to accept the realities of evil, we will not allow those who can't accept it to march us to our deaths either. It's pretty clear to me from all the twisting and turning on this forum and in the liberal media, that feeling good about one''s self, and how others see them, is so important to liberals, that it overrules logic.

Was the Imam who spoke in Orlando of gays needing to be killed , mentally ill? How about the Imam of the Mosque that invited him? Mentally ill? The people that listened to him without saying "Hey, you need to leave NOW"? Mentally ill?

Crossing the line to mass murder is what makes someone mentally ill. You countenance Trump's hate. I don't think you're mentally ill. Just lazy and stupid.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There almost seems to be an agenda in the media. Almost as soon as this happens, oeople were out there saying he is mentally ill. He beat his ex-wife. He's bipolar. Etc.

Having mental illness, beating your wife, being bipolar, none of that makes a person murder 50 people. We would have millions of mass murders every day of those things creates mass murderers. Sorry but those are just excuses for his religious beliefs.

There are even more Muslims then there are mentally ill wife beaters. Why are you ruling out mental illness and blaming religion? It would seem reasonable to consider both possibilities.

I can point to documented information from law enforcement re: his extremist views and actions. Can you point to documented medical reports of his that indicate he was mentally ill?

Please point to that documentation. I fully expect that before the investigation is complete, there will be plenty of evidence of his mental instability.

FBI. He was known to them. Immediately. They do not follow a man for two years for suspected terror ties due to his pattern of behavior, without reason. Far more suspicious, is the dropping of him from their investigation, only to have him come back a short time later and shoot up a gay club. They knew he was bad news all along. I'm sure the Obama administration will deem him mentally ill, as will the press. That's their M.O. And you will find others that will state he was NOT mentally ill at all. Obama will admonish FBI for not doing their job right and perhaps sacrifice someone at DHS. That's the M.O.

Problem is, fewer and fewer of the American people are believing it. Nor are they accepting the beat downs anymore (like what just happened on your very own forum when that nice lesbian woman didn't toe the liberal line). While we realize it's hard for some people to accept the realities of evil, we will not allow those who can't accept it to march us to our deaths either. It's pretty clear to me from all the twisting and turning on this forum and in the liberal media, that feeling good about one''s self, and how others see them, is so important to liberals, that it overrules logic.

Was the Imam who spoke in Orlando of gays needing to be killed , mentally ill? How about the Imam of the Mosque that invited him? Mentally ill? The people that listened to him without saying "Hey, you need to leave NOW"? Mentally ill?

Crossing the line to mass murder is what makes someone mentally ill. You countenance Trump's hate. I don't think you're mentally ill. Just lazy and stupid.

That's not actually true. All mass murderers are not mentally ill

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There almost seems to be an agenda in the media. Almost as soon as this happens, oeople were out there saying he is mentally ill. He beat his ex-wife. He's bipolar. Etc.

Having mental illness, beating your wife, being bipolar, none of that makes a person murder 50 people. We would have millions of mass murders every day of those things creates mass murderers. Sorry but those are just excuses for his religious beliefs.

There are even more Muslims then there are mentally ill wife beaters. Why are you ruling out mental illness and blaming religion? It would seem reasonable to consider both possibilities.

I can point to documented information from law enforcement re: his extremist views and actions. Can you point to documented medical reports of his that indicate he was mentally ill?

Please point to that documentation. I fully expect that before the investigation is complete, there will be plenty of evidence of his mental instability.

FBI. He was known to them. Immediately. They do not follow a man for two years for suspected terror ties due to his pattern of behavior, without reason. Far more suspicious, is the dropping of him from their investigation, only to have him come back a short time later and shoot up a gay club. They knew he was bad news all along. I'm sure the Obama administration will deem him mentally ill, as will the press. That's their M.O. And you will find others that will state he was NOT mentally ill at all. Obama will admonish FBI for not doing their job right and perhaps sacrifice someone at DHS. That's the M.O.

Problem is, fewer and fewer of the American people are believing it. Nor are they accepting the beat downs anymore (like what just happened on your very own forum when that nice lesbian woman didn't toe the liberal line). While we realize it's hard for some people to accept the realities of evil, we will not allow those who can't accept it to march us to our deaths either. It's pretty clear to me from all the twisting and turning on this forum and in the liberal media, that feeling good about one''s self, and how others see them, is so important to liberals, that it overrules logic.

Was the Imam who spoke in Orlando of gays needing to be killed , mentally ill? How about the Imam of the Mosque that invited him? Mentally ill? The people that listened to him without saying "Hey, you need to leave NOW"? Mentally ill?

Omg shut up about this already. Liberals can disagree with a lesbian who says stupid shit. Notice how liberals didn't like Carson? It's because he supported stupid shit. We don't just support people because they're minorities or *gasp* women!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There almost seems to be an agenda in the media. Almost as soon as this happens, oeople were out there saying he is mentally ill. He beat his ex-wife. He's bipolar. Etc.

Having mental illness, beating your wife, being bipolar, none of that makes a person murder 50 people. We would have millions of mass murders every day of those things creates mass murderers. Sorry but those are just excuses for his religious beliefs.

There are even more Muslims then there are mentally ill wife beaters. Why are you ruling out mental illness and blaming religion? It would seem reasonable to consider both possibilities.

I can point to documented information from law enforcement re: his extremist views and actions. Can you point to documented medical reports of his that indicate he was mentally ill?

Please point to that documentation. I fully expect that before the investigation is complete, there will be plenty of evidence of his mental instability.

FBI. He was known to them. Immediately. They do not follow a man for two years for suspected terror ties due to his pattern of behavior, without reason. Far more suspicious, is the dropping of him from their investigation, only to have him come back a short time later and shoot up a gay club. They knew he was bad news all along. I'm sure the Obama administration will deem him mentally ill, as will the press. That's their M.O. And you will find others that will state he was NOT mentally ill at all. Obama will admonish FBI for not doing their job right and perhaps sacrifice someone at DHS. That's the M.O.

Problem is, fewer and fewer of the American people are believing it. Nor are they accepting the beat downs anymore (like what just happened on your very own forum when that nice lesbian woman didn't toe the liberal line). While we realize it's hard for some people to accept the realities of evil, we will not allow those who can't accept it to march us to our deaths either. It's pretty clear to me from all the twisting and turning on this forum and in the liberal media, that feeling good about one''s self, and how others see them, is so important to liberals, that it overrules logic.

Was the Imam who spoke in Orlando of gays needing to be killed , mentally ill? How about the Imam of the Mosque that invited him? Mentally ill? The people that listened to him without saying "Hey, you need to leave NOW"? Mentally ill?

Crossing the line to mass murder is what makes someone mentally ill. You countenance Trump's hate. I don't think you're mentally ill. Just lazy and stupid.

That's not actually true. All mass murderers are not mentally ill

Maybe we have different definitions of mental illness. It doesn't mean "criminally insane" to me.

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:Was the Imam who spoke in Orlando of gays needing to be killed , mentally ill? How about the Imam of the Mosque that invited him? Mentally ill? The people that listened to him without saying "Hey, you need to leave NOW"? Mentally ill?

I don't know the mental state of any of them. But, they are in the same boat as the Christian paster I mentioned in the second post of this thread who called for killing gays while Mike Huckabee and Ted Cruz listened with no objection (or objection from you). All of them are sick as far as I'm concerned.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Okay, now say it with me, everyone: religion is bad.

I am personally not religious, but I can't agree with such an unequivocal statement. A lot of good has been done in the name of religion, just as a lot of bad has. There are good and bad people who practice religion, just as there are good and bad people who don't.

I'm hard pressed to think of things that would even begin to offset the war, hatred, and oppression that religion has wrought. I think that if humans were able to relinquish superstition, then they would find their humanity again and would finally be able to meet everyone's basic needs on earth. Which would, of course, end violence like this.

It's not acceptable to say religion is bad, I get it, but just because Aunt Lois was able to find solace in a fairytale on her deathbed and a few people build a house every year doesn't mean that religion gets a pass for what it's done to humanity since time immemorial.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I suggest you look at what FBI profilers say about organized crime vs. disorganized crime, planning vs. no planning, and what constitutes true mental illness.

Islamic extremism is not mental illness. It's a way of life.

There is no evidence that the shooter followed a way of life that was even close to being Islamic, let alone extremist Islamic. As you noted yourself, he frequented the club and got drunk frequently.

So did the 9/11 hijackers. And yet....

Yes, it's important to realize that terrorists' professions of Islam -- or any religion -- should not be taken at face value. Crashing planes full of people into buildings is not an Islamic act. You hardly need to point to drinking to suggest those guys were not good Muslims.

They are all just mentally ill. Every extremist is mentally ill. Their hate is all mental illness. None of it has anything to do with Islam at all. Am I reading your right? Please go on record.

I don't know the mental states of the 9/11 hijackers. But, in the case of Orlando, there is as much evidence to suggest mental illness as there is to suggest Islamic extremism.

Given the current climate in the US regarding Muslims, I imagine that quite a few are right on the edge of a mental breakdown.

We caused it all? Throw gays off buildings ? Our fault. Honor killings? Our fault.

Imam preaching death to gay people? Mentally ill or not?

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Was the Imam who spoke in Orlando of gays needing to be killed , mentally ill? How about the Imam of the Mosque that invited him? Mentally ill? The people that listened to him without saying "Hey, you need to leave NOW"? Mentally ill?

I don't know the mental state of any of them. But, they are in the same boat as the Christian paster I mentioned in the second post of this thread who called for killing gays while Mike Huckabee and Ted Cruz listened with no objection (or objection from you). All of them are sick as far as I'm concerned.

But not as far as any psychologist is concerned. The vast vast majority of people doing mass killings are not considered mentally ill. That's hard to swallow, but it's true. And only once you acknowledge that can you start to fix the problem.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Was the Imam who spoke in Orlando of gays needing to be killed , mentally ill? How about the Imam of the Mosque that invited him? Mentally ill? The people that listened to him without saying "Hey, you need to leave NOW"? Mentally ill?

I don't know the mental state of any of them. But, they are in the same boat as the Christian paster I mentioned in the second post of this thread who called for killing gays while Mike Huckabee and Ted Cruz listened with no objection (or objection from you). All of them are sick as far as I'm concerned.

But not as far as any psychologist is concerned. The vast vast majority of people doing mass killings are not considered mentally ill. That's hard to swallow, but it's true. And only once you acknowledge that can you start to fix the problem.

Cite please? I think the vast vast majority of people doing mass killings are considered to have personality disorders, which is mental illness in my book.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Was the Imam who spoke in Orlando of gays needing to be killed , mentally ill? How about the Imam of the Mosque that invited him? Mentally ill? The people that listened to him without saying "Hey, you need to leave NOW"? Mentally ill?

I don't know the mental state of any of them. But, they are in the same boat as the Christian paster I mentioned in the second post of this thread who called for killing gays while Mike Huckabee and Ted Cruz listened with no objection (or objection from you). All of them are sick as far as I'm concerned.

The difference? Cruz and Hucksbee come from a known position of religious freedom and first amendment rights. The Imam? Not so much.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Was the Imam who spoke in Orlando of gays needing to be killed , mentally ill? How about the Imam of the Mosque that invited him? Mentally ill? The people that listened to him without saying "Hey, you need to leave NOW"? Mentally ill?

I don't know the mental state of any of them. But, they are in the same boat as the Christian paster I mentioned in the second post of this thread who called for killing gays while Mike Huckabee and Ted Cruz listened with no objection (or objection from you). All of them are sick as far as I'm concerned.

But not as far as any psychologist is concerned. The vast vast majority of people doing mass killings are not considered mentally ill. That's hard to swallow, but it's true. And only once you acknowledge that can you start to fix the problem.

Cite please? I think the vast vast majority of people doing mass killings are considered to have personality disorders, which is mental illness in my book.

You will need to do some actual reading. Start with John Douglas and Robert Ressler. They will outline the differences for you

[Anonymous]

You can also start here:

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/wicked-deeds/201406/serial-killer-myth-1-theyre-mentally-ill-or-evil-geniuses