Iman preached anti-gay message in Orlando a few weeks ago

[Anonymous]

I appreciate how our stand-up friends in the Middle East treat and appreciate women. Sentencing a woman for giving consent to being raped is quite interesting and should give all of you having a nice Islam lovefest a warm glow.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/13/middleeast/qatar-dutch-woman-rape-report-jail/index.html

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I looked up this Iman. He is British but lives in Iran. Question: How does someone like this get a visa to come to US? Maybe Trump is right on this issue.

Americans do not need Visa to go to UK. Do British need visa to enter US?

Specific people can be stopped regardless...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am close with lots of Muslims, great people, etc. But, I recently read online that the Quran and/or a Hadith says that homosexuals should be killed, whereas Jesus's message was to be tolerant and turn the other cheek, and judge not lest you be judged. I know there are good people, and crazy people, from all kinds of religions, but I am uncomfortable having read this bit online about the Quran or a Hadith calling for killing homosexuals. I wish I had not read the article. Maybe it was incorrect I don't know.

Jesus said that, but there's a whole bunch of hatred and calls for violence against homosexuals earlier in the bible, which is often cited by Christians as reasons to hate homosexuals. So, I don't think Christians get a free pass on this.

Jesus said no more judging others, and with regard to stoning in particular, he said he without sin cast the first stone (i.e., nobody). So any Christian citing Old Testament practices that contradict Jesus would just be I guess wrong and not following Christianity as taught in the Bible.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I appreciate how our stand-up friends in the Middle East treat and appreciate women. Sentencing a woman for giving consent to being raped is quite interesting and should give all of you having a nice Islam lovefest a warm glow.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/13/middleeast/qatar-dutch-woman-rape-report-jail/index.html

She got an $800 fine and told to leave. The Syrian guy I guess she had sex with got 140 lashes. Ouch!!!!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I appreciate how our stand-up friends in the Middle East treat and appreciate women. Sentencing a woman for giving consent to being raped is quite interesting and should give all of you having a nice Islam lovefest a warm glow.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/13/middleeast/qatar-dutch-woman-rape-report-jail/index.html

She got an $800 fine and told to leave. The Syrian guy I guess she had sex with got 140 lashes. Ouch!!!!

Or I guess he was her rapist.

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:
Jesus said no more judging others, and with regard to stoning in particular, he said he without sin cast the first stone (i.e., nobody). So any Christian citing Old Testament practices that contradict Jesus would just be I guess wrong and not following Christianity as taught in the Bible.

As I demonstrated in the second post of this thread, there are Christian pastors prominent enough to share a stage with Republican Presidential candidates who call for killing gays. However, that view is not representative of all Christians. It is almost impossible to discuss "Islam" given the varied practices that exist within the religion. Unfortunately, Saudi and other Gulf funding has spread Wahhabi influence and practices very widely and some of the archaic practices of that brand of Islam have come to represent the religion in the West. ISIS and al-Qaida are both branches of the Wahhabi tree. But, Wahhabism represents only a small portion of the Islamic universe. It is not fair to paint the entire religion with that brush.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I appreciate how our stand-up friends in the Middle East treat and appreciate women. Sentencing a woman for giving consent to being raped is quite interesting and should give all of you having a nice Islam lovefest a warm glow.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/13/middleeast/qatar-dutch-woman-rape-report-jail/index.html

She got an $800 fine and told to leave. The Syrian guy I guess she had sex with got 140 lashes. Ouch!!!!

Or I guess he was her rapist.

Calling out that he's a rapist and she got a year in jail (suspended) doesn't fit the narrative.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:Sheikh Farrokh Sekaleshfar is a Shia Muslim and the mosque at which he spoke in Florida is a Shia mosque. ISIS hates the Shia and has killed thousands of them in Iraq and Syria. ISIS doesn't even consider the Shia to be Muslims. If the Orlando shooter is an ISIS supporter, as is alleged, then it would be very inconsistent for him to have visited a Shia mosque to listen to a Shia Shaykh.

However, based on some reports, the shooter may not have had a very sophisticated understanding of Muslim groups and may not have been able to tell Shia groups from Sunni groups. According to this article:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2016/06/13/omar-mateen-may-not-have-understood-the-difference-between-isis-al-qaeda-and-hezbollah/

The shooter expressed support for al-Nusra (al-Qaida affiliate in Syria), the Tsarnaev brothers (inspired by al-Qaida in the Arabian Peninsula -- AQAP), ISIS, and Hezbollah. Al-Nusra is fighting ISIS in Syria, Hezbollah is fighting both al-Nusra and ISIS in Syria, and AQAP is fighting ISIS in Yemen. So, that is a very strange list of groups to support.

Regardless, the remarks by the Shaykh are condemnable.

He was born in America. What does he know? All I know if 50 gay men are dead at the hands of this man who killed after casing the place multiple times prior. He planned it. That's not mental illness. That's evil. Seems logical he'd support all evil, and not give a shit what form of Islam is the most evil, in his mind.

Seems to me that every single solitary attack by Muslim extremists liberals have excused as mental illness or a lone wolf. We are not listening anymore. Got it?

You were never listening and unlikely to ever listen. You were anti-Islam the first day you got here, have been anti-Islam every day that you have been here, are will probably continue to be anti-Islam. You have no idea why the shooter visited the club or utilized gay saying apps. It's just as likely he was a closeted homosexual. If every white guy who commits a massacre is diagnosed with mental health issues, why can't every Muslim?

Anti Radical Islam. I know the difference and don't excuse it away. The closeted homosexual theory? Yet another red herring. No surprise.

The reason the white guy caught in LA probably has mental health issues is because he acted weird enough to, first, raise alarm bells and because he actually told the police officer where he was going with the guns, ammo and whatever was in the bucket. He didn't meticulously hide his plan from the authorities. That's a huge red flag to a profiler for actual mental illness. The Orlando shooter made sure no one knew what he was planning. He prepared well and executed his plan - and 50 people.

You did notice your liberal compadres attacking the gay woman in the thread you locked? That was rather fascinating, from a psychological standpoint.

Her idiotic logic for supporting Trump was what was being attacked.

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The PP's comment before you is quite right:

"It was fascinating to see the reaction when she stepped out of line. She went against the liberal identity politics and was attacked because she simply can't support Trump, because she's a lesbian."

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:Sheikh Farrokh Sekaleshfar is a Shia Muslim and the mosque at which he spoke in Florida is a Shia mosque. ISIS hates the Shia and has killed thousands of them in Iraq and Syria. ISIS doesn't even consider the Shia to be Muslims. If the Orlando shooter is an ISIS supporter, as is alleged, then it would be very inconsistent for him to have visited a Shia mosque to listen to a Shia Shaykh.

However, based on some reports, the shooter may not have had a very sophisticated understanding of Muslim groups and may not have been able to tell Shia groups from Sunni groups. According to this article:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2016/06/13/omar-mateen-may-not-have-understood-the-difference-between-isis-al-qaeda-and-hezbollah/

The shooter expressed support for al-Nusra (al-Qaida affiliate in Syria), the Tsarnaev brothers (inspired by al-Qaida in the Arabian Peninsula -- AQAP), ISIS, and Hezbollah. Al-Nusra is fighting ISIS in Syria, Hezbollah is fighting both al-Nusra and ISIS in Syria, and AQAP is fighting ISIS in Yemen. So, that is a very strange list of groups to support.

Regardless, the remarks by the Shaykh are condemnable.

He was born in America. What does he know? All I know if 50 gay men are dead at the hands of this man who killed after casing the place multiple times prior. He planned it. That's not mental illness. That's evil. Seems logical he'd support all evil, and not give a shit what form of Islam is the most evil, in his mind.

Seems to me that every single solitary attack by Muslim extremists liberals have excused as mental illness or a lone wolf. We are not listening anymore. Got it?

You were never listening and unlikely to ever listen. You were anti-Islam the first day you got here, have been anti-Islam every day that you have been here, are will probably continue to be anti-Islam. You have no idea why the shooter visited the club or utilized gay saying apps. It's just as likely he was a closeted homosexual. If every white guy who commits a massacre is diagnosed with mental health issues, why can't every Muslim?

From the mouth of one of those murdered in the club - his mother provided the text:

"Hurry," he wrote. "He's in the bathroom with us"

She asked "Is the man in the bathroom wit u?"

at 2:50 AM: "He's a terror."


The man murdered by the man in that club says he's a terrorist. I think he probably knew more than you.

Full detail of texts here:

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2016/06/12/as-orlando-massacre-unfolded-a-horror-for-one-mother-via-text/

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:Sheikh Farrokh Sekaleshfar is a Shia Muslim and the mosque at which he spoke in Florida is a Shia mosque. ISIS hates the Shia and has killed thousands of them in Iraq and Syria. ISIS doesn't even consider the Shia to be Muslims. If the Orlando shooter is an ISIS supporter, as is alleged, then it would be very inconsistent for him to have visited a Shia mosque to listen to a Shia Shaykh.

However, based on some reports, the shooter may not have had a very sophisticated understanding of Muslim groups and may not have been able to tell Shia groups from Sunni groups. According to this article:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2016/06/13/omar-mateen-may-not-have-understood-the-difference-between-isis-al-qaeda-and-hezbollah/

The shooter expressed support for al-Nusra (al-Qaida affiliate in Syria), the Tsarnaev brothers (inspired by al-Qaida in the Arabian Peninsula -- AQAP), ISIS, and Hezbollah. Al-Nusra is fighting ISIS in Syria, Hezbollah is fighting both al-Nusra and ISIS in Syria, and AQAP is fighting ISIS in Yemen. So, that is a very strange list of groups to support.

Regardless, the remarks by the Shaykh are condemnable.

He was born in America. What does he know? All I know if 50 gay men are dead at the hands of this man who killed after casing the place multiple times prior. He planned it. That's not mental illness. That's evil. Seems logical he'd support all evil, and not give a shit what form of Islam is the most evil, in his mind.

Seems to me that every single solitary attack by Muslim extremists liberals have excused as mental illness or a lone wolf. We are not listening anymore. Got it?

You were never listening and unlikely to ever listen. You were anti-Islam the first day you got here, have been anti-Islam every day that you have been here, are will probably continue to be anti-Islam. You have no idea why the shooter visited the club or utilized gay saying apps. It's just as likely he was a closeted homosexual. If every white guy who commits a massacre is diagnosed with mental health issues, why can't every Muslim?

From the mouth of one of those murdered in the club - his mother provided the text:

"Hurry," he wrote. "He's in the bathroom with us"

She asked "Is the man in the bathroom wit u?"

at 2:50 AM: "He's a terror."


The man murdered by the man in that club says he's a terrorist. I think he probably knew more than you.

Full detail of texts here:

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2016/06/12/as-orlando-massacre-unfolded-a-horror-for-one-mother-via-text/

I have no problem with him being described as a terrorist. That is a separate issue from his mental state.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:Sheikh Farrokh Sekaleshfar is a Shia Muslim and the mosque at which he spoke in Florida is a Shia mosque. ISIS hates the Shia and has killed thousands of them in Iraq and Syria. ISIS doesn't even consider the Shia to be Muslims. If the Orlando shooter is an ISIS supporter, as is alleged, then it would be very inconsistent for him to have visited a Shia mosque to listen to a Shia Shaykh.

However, based on some reports, the shooter may not have had a very sophisticated understanding of Muslim groups and may not have been able to tell Shia groups from Sunni groups. According to this article:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2016/06/13/omar-mateen-may-not-have-understood-the-difference-between-isis-al-qaeda-and-hezbollah/

The shooter expressed support for al-Nusra (al-Qaida affiliate in Syria), the Tsarnaev brothers (inspired by al-Qaida in the Arabian Peninsula -- AQAP), ISIS, and Hezbollah. Al-Nusra is fighting ISIS in Syria, Hezbollah is fighting both al-Nusra and ISIS in Syria, and AQAP is fighting ISIS in Yemen. So, that is a very strange list of groups to support.

Regardless, the remarks by the Shaykh are condemnable.

He was born in America. What does he know? All I know if 50 gay men are dead at the hands of this man who killed after casing the place multiple times prior. He planned it. That's not mental illness. That's evil. Seems logical he'd support all evil, and not give a shit what form of Islam is the most evil, in his mind.

Seems to me that every single solitary attack by Muslim extremists liberals have excused as mental illness or a lone wolf. We are not listening anymore. Got it?

You were never listening and unlikely to ever listen. You were anti-Islam the first day you got here, have been anti-Islam every day that you have been here, are will probably continue to be anti-Islam. You have no idea why the shooter visited the club or utilized gay saying apps. It's just as likely he was a closeted homosexual. If every white guy who commits a massacre is diagnosed with mental health issues, why can't every Muslim?

From the mouth of one of those murdered in the club - his mother provided the text:

"Hurry," he wrote. "He's in the bathroom with us"

She asked "Is the man in the bathroom wit u?"

at 2:50 AM: "He's a terror."


The man murdered by the man in that club says he's a terrorist. I think he probably knew more than you.

Full detail of texts here:

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2016/06/12/as-orlando-massacre-unfolded-a-horror-for-one-mother-via-text/

I have no problem with him being described as a terrorist. That is a separate issue from his mental state.

I suggest you look at what FBI profilers say about organized crime vs. disorganized crime, planning vs. no planning, and what constitutes true mental illness.

Islamic extremism is not mental illness. It's a way of life.

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:I suggest you look at what FBI profilers say about organized crime vs. disorganized crime, planning vs. no planning, and what constitutes true mental illness.

Islamic extremism is not mental illness. It's a way of life.

There is no evidence that the shooter followed a way of life that was even close to being Islamic, let alone extremist Islamic. As you noted yourself, he frequented the club and got drunk frequently.

[Anonymous]

There almost seems to be an agenda in the media. Almost as soon as this happens, oeople were out there saying he is mentally ill. He beat his ex-wife. He's bipolar. Etc.

Having mental illness, beating your wife, being bipolar, none of that makes a person murder 50 people. We would have millions of mass murders every day of those things creates mass murderers. Sorry but those are just excuses for his religious beliefs.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I suggest you look at what FBI profilers say about organized crime vs. disorganized crime, planning vs. no planning, and what constitutes true mental illness.

Islamic extremism is not mental illness. It's a way of life.

There is no evidence that the shooter followed a way of life that was even close to being Islamic, let alone extremist Islamic. As you noted yourself, he frequented the club and got drunk frequently.

He did this in the name of his religion. Never mind, you know better than him. Just ignore that he called 911 to pledge allegiance to ISIS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There almost seems to be an agenda in the media. Almost as soon as this happens, oeople were out there saying he is mentally ill. He beat his ex-wife. He's bipolar. Etc.

Having mental illness, beating your wife, being bipolar, none of that makes a person murder 50 people. We would have millions of mass murders every day of those things creates mass murderers. Sorry but those are just excuses for his religious beliefs.

?!?! We would have millions of mass murders every day if Islam (religion of a quarter of the world's population) caused it, too.