Brutal Anti-Trump Ad

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

The line about coal miners was taken out of context - she was explaining why we need to do more for coal country.

Suggest you go listen to her original speech. It was not out of context. Yes, she said we did need to do more for the miners--but she wants to end the coal jobs--that much is clear. You are listening to her later spin.

And a lot of people agree with her on the need to shift away from coal.

Well, we do. I agree with that. Of course I also deal with GHG emissions in my job so I see the data.

[Anonymous]

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While Bernie supporters and independents are like -- see Hillary has always been in bed with neo cons, true cons. Hillary is raising money now from the never trump folks.

Is Hillary really a progressive when many #Iamwithher right wing nuts support her? This ad just reinforced that Hillary is another neo con -- she is not that different from Bush.

I don't really get the point of this line of reasoning. If the only acceptable Democratic candidate is one that right-leaning Americans (which are about half the country) wouldn't support, then is the goal never to have another Democrat in the Oval Office? I would love to see Clinton continue to pursue progressive policies, and I think Obama has pursued policies that are at least informed by progressive ideas. Not everyone in the country is a progressive, just like not everyone is a reactionary conservative. The latter is why Ted Cruz would've had a hard time winning the Presidency if he had been the nominee (and why he didn't win it)...and the former is why Democrats have chosen Clinton over Sanders.

The extreme right wing has disproportional representation in Congress, if you ask me. But I don't see nearly enough progressives taking up the mantle to build their faction on the left.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Millennials are not charmed with Hillary or Trump. Period.

#notallmillennials

Happy to have voted for HRC in the past and will vote again for her come November!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Millennials are not charmed with Hillary or Trump. Period.

Awesome. And when the start voting in droves and running for/influencing the make up of Congress, their opinion will reflect our country's leadership. But for as long as they limit their civic participation to Twitter and Facebook, they are going to find themselves sorely disappointed with their elected leaders.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am a GOP "base" who despises what Trump does with his bullying tactics, etc.

However, what rhetoric do I despise more?

"What difference does it make?" (whether she lied about the cause of the attack at Benghazi)
"putting coal miners out of work"
blaming husband's infidelity on "vast right wing conspiracy"
setting up a private server and putting nation's security (and soldiers) at risk for "convenience"
"We're going to get the people who caused your son's death" (blaming the people who created the video
and,
how about "dodging sniper fire" when there was a public welcoming committee handing her flowers?
"Reset" with Russia

there's more--this is just what comes quickly to mind. All of these sound bites would make great ads against Hillary. And, while I detest Trump's words and attitude, Hillary's words are lies to the American people that involve her own behavior--or that of her husband. And, these are just statements she has made--she has also made some pretty awful decisions.
Her style and public demeanor may be more restrained--but her decisions and attitudes are just as bad-or worse. One need look no further than Libya.

I say all this as someone who is very disappointed in the outcome of the GOP primary.

But, but, but .... Trump called Rosie ODonell and "loser" and a "fat pig" (after she attacked him on her show) OMG! What will he say NEXT !!

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Anonymous wrote:Ha! I love the last line from Jeb "He needs therapy."

I sort of liked Jeb. Too bad his last night made him unelectable.

Agreed. You know what's powerful about that? It frames Trump as a pathetic, small person who needs personal help. That's much more devastating than calling him a racist.

[Anonymous]

The crying shame, if we lose this election, is that there are several well qualified candidates like Tim Kaine, Mark Warner and others who would have attracted the votes of quite a few moderate Republicans as well as independents against Trump. Instead we are all set to nominate a candidate who is polarizing, is distrusted by the majority of the electorate including many Democrats and has changed her positions repeatedly over the years.

+100 This is exactly how I feel! All we can do is Trump or Clinton? Or Bernie?

[Anonymous]

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It is obvious that she is referring to what market forces (like cheap natural gas, enabled by fracking) are doing, not to some secret plan of hers. That it was an intro to WHY we need to create OTHER jobs in coal country.

LOL! No, it is not obvious. She is part of the WE who wants to put them out of business. That is the true context. So, she is trying to cover up by "helping" them. They want jobs-and they like the jobs they have.

You are clueless. She is talking about what is happening in the real world economy and creating new and better opportunities. Everyone else is lying and pandering with insincere promises to bring back coal mining.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

The line about coal miners was taken out of context - she was explaining why we need to do more for coal country.

Suggest you go listen to her original speech. It was not out of context. Yes, she said we did need to do more for the miners--but she wants to end the coal jobs--that much is clear. You are listening to her later spin.

And a lot of people agree with her on the need to shift away from coal.

She is simply telling the truth about coal. She is refusing to pander. This pisses off some folks here, but in the same breath they will claim she panders to everyone. No logic there.

[Anonymous]

I think this is a horrible ad that does the opposite of what it is trying to do.

Trump's whole appeal is that the losers in the establishment GOP don't like him. Why highlight that those losers don't like him?

[Anonymous]

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jsteele wrote:That is a fantastic ad.

Its a curious ad. I wonder who the target market is...Dems will like it, but they are not voting for Trump and it will make the Republicans base more supportive of Trump. Sound bites of attacks on Trump from people the republicans base has resoundingly rejected and think of as the problem will actually strengthen Trump. So what is the purpose of the ad...to make democrats feel better? its really a waste of resources. The time and money could have been spent better else where.

1. To remind Republicans who are fence sitting about rallying around Trump (that is about half of all GOP primary voters - True Cons, NeoCons, moderates, etc) about what is wrong with Trump, as voiced by their own 2. To let any Repubs and Repub leaning independents who have not been paying attention know how bad Trump is, as voiced by their own 3. To pressure the GOP leaders to not endorse Trump, or else look like fools. 4. To put Trump back on the defensive - not let him bask in "rallying around"

While Bernie supporters and independents are like -- see Hillary has always been in bed with neo cons, true cons. Hillary is raising money now from the never trump folks.

Is Hillary really a progressive when many #Iamwithher right wing nuts support her? This ad just reinforced that Hillary is another neo con -- she is not that different from Bush.

Your characterizations of HRC say a Hell of a lot more about you than they do about her.

You never heard of Neocons for Hillary? After Cruz dropped out, many of his supporters (#Iamwithher) flocked to Hillary. If you turn on your TV now, you will see some of them being interviewed by CNN and MSNBC.

http://inthesetimes.com/article/18998/neocon-war-hawks-want-hillary-clinton-over-donald-trump.-no-surprisetheyve

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think this is a horrible ad that does the opposite of what it is trying to do.

Trump's whole appeal is that the losers in the establishment GOP don't like him. Why highlight that those losers don't like him?

The overwhelming message of this entire primary race is that people are damn sick of the two party system and they are completely fed up with the way things have been done for a long time. If we do end up with Clinton, who represents everything that is wrong with politics, that is depressing as hell. But Trump scares the daylights out of me.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

It is obvious that she is referring to what market forces (like cheap natural gas, enabled by fracking) are doing, not to some secret plan of hers. That it was an intro to WHY we need to create OTHER jobs in coal country.

LOL! No, it is not obvious. She is part of the WE who wants to put them out of business. That is the true context. So, she is trying to cover up by "helping" them. They want jobs-and they like the jobs they have.

Fracking is killing coal, everyone outside of the conservative echo chamber knows that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think this is a horrible ad that does the opposite of what it is trying to do.

Trump's whole appeal is that the losers in the establishment GOP don't like him. Why highlight that those losers don't like him?

One more time: you're not the audience for the ad. Trump supporters are not the audience for the ad. This and the other new web ad, the one featuring Trump in his own words, are aimed at moderate Republicans and independents, particularly women, who have qualms about voting for Trump due to his white nationalism, his misogyny, and his generally unstable temperament.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It really does not matter what Republicans have said about Trump in the past or what their present attitude is to Trump as a nominee. When push comes to shove, they will vote for him not because they like him or think he is the most qualified but because they detest Hillary with a passion.

I am a liberal and I would never vote for her under any circumstances and I assure you I am not the only one who feels that way. I know several people like myself who have voted for Democratic candidates repeatedly who will not vote for her.

The crying shame, if we lose this election, is that there are several well qualified candidates like Tim Kaine, Mark Warner and others who would have attracted the votes of quite a few moderate Republicans as well as independents against Trump. Instead we are all set to nominate a candidate who is polarizing, is distrusted by the majority of the electorate including many Democrats and has changed her positions repeatedly over the years.

They hate Hillary, but at least they can fight her on familiar terms. Worst case scenario, they end up with four or eight years marginally worse than the eight under President Obama.

Trump could be the absolute end of the Republican party.