Brutal Anti-Trump Ad

[Anonymous]

I am a GOP "base" who despises what Trump does with his bullying tactics, etc.

However, what rhetoric do I despise more?

"What difference does it make?" (whether she lied about the cause of the attack at Benghazi)
"putting coal miners out of work"
blaming husband's infidelity on "vast right wing conspiracy"
setting up a private server and putting nation's security (and soldiers) at risk for "convenience"
"We're going to get the people who caused your son's death" (blaming the people who created the video
and,
how about "dodging sniper fire" when there was a public welcoming committee handing her flowers?
"Reset" with Russia

there's more--this is just what comes quickly to mind. All of these sound bites would make great ads against Hillary. And, while I detest Trump's words and attitude, Hillary's words are lies to the American people that involve her own behavior--or that of her husband. And, these are just statements she has made--she has also made some pretty awful decisions.
Her style and public demeanor may be more restrained--but her decisions and attitudes are just as bad-or worse. One need look no further than Libya.

I say all this as someone who is very disappointed in the outcome of the GOP primary.

[Anonymous]

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jsteele wrote:That is a fantastic ad.

Its a curious ad. I wonder who the target market is...Dems will like it, but they are not voting for Trump and it will make the Republicans base more supportive of Trump. Sound bites of attacks on Trump from people the republicans base has resoundingly rejected and think of as the problem will actually strengthen Trump. So what is the purpose of the ad...to make democrats feel better? its really a waste of resources. The time and money could have been spent better else where.

1. To remind Republicans who are fence sitting about rallying around Trump (that is about half of all GOP primary voters - True Cons, NeoCons, moderates, etc) about what is wrong with Trump, as voiced by their own 2. To let any Repubs and Repub leaning independents who have not been paying attention know how bad Trump is, as voiced by their own 3. To pressure the GOP leaders to not endorse Trump, or else look like fools. 4. To put Trump back on the defensive - not let him bask in "rallying around"

While Bernie supporters and independents are like -- see Hillary has always been in bed with neo cons, true cons. Hillary is raising money now from the never trump folks.

Is Hillary really a progressive when many #Iamwithher right wing nuts support her? This ad just reinforced that Hillary is another neo con -- she is not that different from Bush.

So far its only a couple - most of those saying they will not vote for Trump are still not saying they will vote for HRC. And AFAICT the few who are saying Iamwithher are not the nuttiest ones.

As for neocons - if you think it worth lives and money to get of a dictator in a foreign country, does it not stand to reason you would have a problem with an authoritarian like Trump in the White House? That hardly says anything about HRC, other than that she is not an authoritarian like Trump.

[Anonymous]

Oh heavens. How lame pp. Are you a woman? I get why white men will vote for Trump. But women? After all he's said? I never liked Megan Kelly until she asked her very deliberate question to Trump about him calling women, "fat Pigs", etc.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am a GOP "base" who despises what Trump does with his bullying tactics, etc.

However, what rhetoric do I despise more?

"What difference does it make?" (whether she lied about the cause of the attack at Benghazi)
"putting coal miners out of work"
blaming husband's infidelity on "vast right wing conspiracy"
setting up a private server and putting nation's security (and soldiers) at risk for "convenience"
"We're going to get the people who caused your son's death" (blaming the people who created the video
and,
how about "dodging sniper fire" when there was a public welcoming committee handing her flowers?
"Reset" with Russia

there's more--this is just what comes quickly to mind. All of these sound bites would make great ads against Hillary. And, while I detest Trump's words and attitude, Hillary's words are lies to the American people that involve her own behavior--or that of her husband. And, these are just statements she has made--she has also made some pretty awful decisions.
Her style and public demeanor may be more restrained--but her decisions and attitudes are just as bad-or worse. One need look no further than Libya.

I say all this as someone who is very disappointed in the outcome of the GOP primary.

The line about coal miners was taken out of context - she was explaining why we need to do more for coal country.

And yes we did try to reset relations with Russia, which was the right thing to do - not the USA's fault that Putin (whom Trump so much admires) had other plans.

And Libya was already falling apart, it might have been worse without western intervention, and our participation kept our relations with allies in the Middle East - and Libya may well work out, see the new Government of National Accord.

[Anonymous]

The line about coal miners was taken out of context - she was explaining why we need to do more for coal country.

Suggest you go listen to her original speech. It was not out of context. Yes, she said we did need to do more for the miners--but she wants to end the coal jobs--that much is clear. You are listening to her later spin.

[Anonymous]

And yes we did try to reset relations with Russia, which was the right thing to do - not the USA's fault that Putin (whom Trump so much admires) had other plans.

The "reset" button was an indicator of how little she understood how to handle Russia. Maybe she didn't understand that Putin was really in charge.

[Anonymous]

And Libya was already falling apart, it might have been worse without western intervention, and our participation kept our relations with allies in the Middle East - and Libya may well work out, see the new Government of National Accord.

I hope you are right about the new government. As far as the rest of your statement, most experts disagree.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am a GOP "base" who despises what Trump does with his bullying tactics, etc.

However, what rhetoric do I despise more?

"What difference does it make?" (whether she lied about the cause of the attack at Benghazi)
"putting coal miners out of work"
blaming husband's infidelity on "vast right wing conspiracy"
setting up a private server and putting nation's security (and soldiers) at risk for "convenience"
"We're going to get the people who caused your son's death" (blaming the people who created the video
and,
how about "dodging sniper fire" when there was a public welcoming committee handing her flowers?
"Reset" with Russia

there's more--this is just what comes quickly to mind. All of these sound bites would make great ads against Hillary. And, while I detest Trump's words and attitude, Hillary's words are lies to the American people that involve her own behavior--or that of her husband. And, these are just statements she has made--she has also made some pretty awful decisions.
Her style and public demeanor may be more restrained--but her decisions and attitudes are just as bad-or worse. One need look no further than Libya.

I say all this as someone who is very disappointed in the outcome of the GOP primary.

Ugh. It is a strange world where I find myself agreeing with Republicans. Too bad we are all going to have bad choices in the general.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

The line about coal miners was taken out of context - she was explaining why we need to do more for coal country.

Suggest you go listen to her original speech. It was not out of context. Yes, she said we did need to do more for the miners--but she wants to end the coal jobs--that much is clear. You are listening to her later spin.

Here is what she said

So for example, I'm the only candidate which has a policy about how to bring economic opportunity using clean renewable energy as the key into coal country. Because we're going to put a lot of coal miners and coal companies out of business, right, Tim (ph)?

It is obvious that she is referring to what market forces (like cheap natural gas, enabled by fracking) are doing, not to some secret plan of hers. That it was an intro to WHY we need to create OTHER jobs in coal country.

So yes, it was taken out of context. For whatever reason, you are doing so again. #zombielies

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

And yes we did try to reset relations with Russia, which was the right thing to do - not the USA's fault that Putin (whom Trump so much admires) had other plans.

The "reset" button was an indicator of how little she understood how to handle Russia. Maybe she didn't understand that Putin was really in charge.

It was more about expecting Russia to respond to moderation from us. I do not think the situation with them would be any better had we not pursued the reset.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:That is a fantastic ad.

Its a curious ad. I wonder who the target market is...Dems will like it, but they are not voting for Trump and it will make the Republicans base more supportive of Trump. Sound bites of attacks on Trump from people the republicans base has resoundingly rejected and think of as the problem will actually strengthen Trump. So what is the purpose of the ad...to make democrats feel better? its really a waste of resources. The time and money could have been spent better else where.

1. To remind Republicans who are fence sitting about rallying around Trump (that is about half of all GOP primary voters - True Cons, NeoCons, moderates, etc) about what is wrong with Trump, as voiced by their own 2. To let any Repubs and Repub leaning independents who have not been paying attention know how bad Trump is, as voiced by their own 3. To pressure the GOP leaders to not endorse Trump, or else look like fools. 4. To put Trump back on the defensive - not let him bask in "rallying around"

While Bernie supporters and independents are like -- see Hillary has always been in bed with neo cons, true cons. Hillary is raising money now from the never trump folks.

Is Hillary really a progressive when many #Iamwithher right wing nuts support her? This ad just reinforced that Hillary is another neo con -- she is not that different from Bush.

It looks like Hillary is going to walk a very fine line in the general. She is going to have to determine whether she has a better chance of gaining the support of deeply disappointed (borderline heartbroken) Sanders supporters like myself; or middle of the road independents and Republicans. I don't know how she is going to pull this off. Sanders would have lost very few Dems and gained a ton of independents as well as disgruntled Republicans. Hillary might as well just make her campaign slogan "NOT TRUMP" and call it a day because very few people actually like her or agree with her.

[Anonymous]

It is obvious that she is referring to what market forces (like cheap natural gas, enabled by fracking) are doing, not to some secret plan of hers. That it was an intro to WHY we need to create OTHER jobs in coal country.

LOL! No, it is not obvious. She is part of the WE who wants to put them out of business. That is the true context. So, she is trying to cover up by "helping" them. They want jobs-and they like the jobs they have.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:That is a fantastic ad.

Its a curious ad. I wonder who the target market is...Dems will like it, but they are not voting for Trump and it will make the Republicans base more supportive of Trump. Sound bites of attacks on Trump from people the republicans base has resoundingly rejected and think of as the problem will actually strengthen Trump. So what is the purpose of the ad...to make democrats feel better? its really a waste of resources. The time and money could have been spent better else where.

1. To remind Republicans who are fence sitting about rallying around Trump (that is about half of all GOP primary voters - True Cons, NeoCons, moderates, etc) about what is wrong with Trump, as voiced by their own 2. To let any Repubs and Repub leaning independents who have not been paying attention know how bad Trump is, as voiced by their own 3. To pressure the GOP leaders to not endorse Trump, or else look like fools. 4. To put Trump back on the defensive - not let him bask in "rallying around"

While Bernie supporters and independents are like -- see Hillary has always been in bed with neo cons, true cons. Hillary is raising money now from the never trump folks.

Is Hillary really a progressive when many #Iamwithher right wing nuts support her? This ad just reinforced that Hillary is another neo con -- she is not that different from Bush.

It looks like Hillary is going to walk a very fine line in the general. She is going to have to determine whether she has a better chance of gaining the support of deeply disappointed (borderline heartbroken) Sanders supporters like myself; or middle of the road independents and Republicans. I don't know how she is going to pull this off. Sanders would have lost very few Dems and gained a ton of independents as well as disgruntled Republicans. Hillary might as well just make her campaign slogan "NOT TRUMP" and call it a day because very few people actually like her or agree with her.

Come on, this statement is so contrived and unreal that's it's beyond laughable. Republicans voting for a socialist! In what universe? Heck, you would have problems getting some moderate democrats to vote for a socialist, and you think republicans would. Jokes on you PP.

[Anonymous]

Millennials are not charmed with Hillary or Trump. Period.

[Anonymous]

It really does not matter what Republicans have said about Trump in the past or what their present attitude is to Trump as a nominee. When push comes to shove, they will vote for him not because they like him or think he is the most qualified but because they detest Hillary with a passion.

I am a liberal and I would never vote for her under any circumstances and I assure you I am not the only one who feels that way. I know several people like myself who have voted for Democratic candidates repeatedly who will not vote for her.

The crying shame, if we lose this election, is that there are several well qualified candidates like Tim Kaine, Mark Warner and others who would have attracted the votes of quite a few moderate Republicans as well as independents against Trump. Instead we are all set to nominate a candidate who is polarizing, is distrusted by the majority of the electorate including many Democrats and has changed her positions repeatedly over the years.