CogAt scores letter?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:7:22 here again. I really, truly hope this is not true because we are asian and that is why we are concerned. But it is a fact that the teacher said that.

So you're saying that a tea her said TO STUDENTS something along the lines of "If you're AA or Hispanic there is a different cut score, and if you're Asian, there is a higher cut score." Again you're saying this was stated directly in the presence of your child???

What did the teacher say when you asked him/her about this? What did the principal say when you shared this? Because if this really happened in the way it's been presented here, one assumes you followed up immediately to such an inappropriate and incorrect statement.

I did not follow up. When you are asian, you kind of get used to this kind of nonsense. Just look at the vitriol on the DCUM boards against asians. We just shrug and let it go.

Blacks and Hispanics don't have an automatic admission into AAP or Algebra 1 in 7th.

For example: My child is black and we were actually discouraged from allowing our child to stay, "in pool." We were encouraged by the teacher to have our DC placed in level 3 because our DC, "wouldn't be able to keep up with the rigors of level 4." We were told by the teacher that students who are different sometimes struggle. When I pressed what "different" meant the teacher clammed up and refused to elaborate. My child got 99th percentile on each sub-test of Cogat, 98th percentile on NNAT, GBRS was 13, above grade level in every subject. Needless to say our child was accepted into AAP. Doing GREAT! All fours and two grade levels ahead in math.

As a parent of a black child I have been discouraged by other parent's comments many times but I just keep encouraging my child to shoot for the top. Some people may not expect very much of our children but I do. I can't tell you how many people think my child got in on some sort of quota but my DC runs circles around them academically. I just smile knowing that the important thing is we are moving away from that sort of biased thinking in our country and my child is helping to pave the way.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It is complete BS. I would email the principal to let him or her know what an idiot the teacher is.

Perhaps the teacher shouldn't have said that, but that doesn't necessarily mean it is not true. There is a subjective loophole in the Iowa process which is teacher recommendation. Who is to say that the teacher is not under pressure to represent all ethnicities in her recommendations? The cut off of 91% has been reduced from 95% in the past few years. It's fairly transparent what they are trying to do. And the NAACP complaint has only compounded it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is complete BS. I would email the principal to let him or her know what an idiot the teacher is.

Perhaps the teacher shouldn't have said that, but that doesn't necessarily mean it is not true. There is a subjective loophole in the Iowa process which is teacher recommendation. Who is to say that the teacher is not under pressure to represent all ethnicities in her recommendations? The cut off of 91% has been reduced from 95% in the past few years. It's fairly transparent what they are trying to do. And the NAACP complaint has only compounded it.

The only cutoff of 91% that I know of is 91% on the Iowa Algebra readiness test for taking Algebra I Honors in 7th grade. That 91% has been in place for at least 6 years. Is that the cut off you to which you are referring?

[Anonymous]

I forgot to add that taking Algebra I Honors in 7th (or 6th grade) isn't based on AAP admissions. It is done completely separately. AAP in Middle School really only covers three classes (English, History/Civics and Science). Math is done separately.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Blacks and Hispanics don't have an automatic admission into AAP or Algebra 1 in 7th.

For example: My child is black and we were actually discouraged from allowing our child to stay, "in pool." We were encouraged by the teacher to have our DC placed in level 3 because our DC, "wouldn't be able to keep up with the rigors of level 4." We were told by the teacher that students who are different sometimes struggle. When I pressed what "different" meant the teacher clammed up and refused to elaborate. My child got 99th percentile on each sub-test of Cogat, 98th percentile on NNAT, GBRS was 13, above grade level in every subject. Needless to say our child was accepted into AAP. Doing GREAT! All fours and two grade levels ahead in math.

As a parent of a black child I have been discouraged by other parent's comments many times but I just keep encouraging my child to shoot for the top. Some people may not expect very much of our children but I do. I can't tell you how many people think my child got in on some sort of quota but my DC runs circles around them academically. I just smile knowing that the important thing is we are moving away from that sort of biased thinking in our country and my child is helping to pave the way.

Thanks for raising this point. A friend's African-American child is subjected to similar assumptions that I've witnessed. It breaks my heart that the family constantly feels the pressure to "try harder"--behave better in church, perform better in school, play harder on the field without being seen as overly aggressive. Kudos for you for remaining so composed in these situations.

Anyone who is making accusations that minorities are given preference in the AAP program had better have some hard stats to back it up.

[Anonymous]

"Needless to say our child was accepted into AAP. Doing GREAT! All fours and two grade levels ahead in math."

Congratulations, 8:25! I am so happy to read your child's inspiring story!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:And if you are not white or Asian you are in?

I think people on this board in general need to stop acting like the process for AAP admission is objective for whites and Asians, meaning they get in on test scores, while it's completely subjective for AAs and Hispanics. The whole system is ridiculous! There are a bunch of Asian test prep camps that Asians send their kids to. White parents probably use the wisc appeal route more than any other group. I have a friend who got her child in with a 118 as the highest score on any subtest by using a private Wisconsin ( not George Mason ). She also got her other child in with lower scores using the private wisc. My only point is we all need to accept that this is a process that can be gamed as long as you are in the know, regardless of which race you are, period. Yes, there are Asians who don't send their kids to the prep camps, there are whites who don't use Wisconsin, there are Hispanics and AAs that get in on scores, but there is a huge percent of kids who are in the grey area in all races.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:"Needless to say our child was accepted into AAP. Doing GREAT! All fours and two grade levels ahead in math."

Congratulations, 8:25! I am so happy to read your child's inspiring story!

Thank you!

I should have added earlier that there are really supportive teachers and great parents that don't judge my child because of race. I think parents like us don't speak up as much. We have to not let bad apples spoil the bunch.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It is complete BS. I would email the principal to let him or her know what an idiot the teacher is.

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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And if you are not white or Asian you are in?

I think people on this board in general need to stop acting like the process for AAP admission is objective for whites and Asians, meaning they get in on test scores, while it's completely subjective for AAs and Hispanics. The whole system is ridiculous! There are a bunch of Asian test prep camps that Asians send their kids to. White parents probably use the wisc appeal route more than any other group. I have a friend who got her child in with a 118 as the highest score on any subtest by using a private Wisconsin ( not George Mason ). She also got her other child in with lower scores using the private wisc. My only point is we all need to accept that this is a process that can be gamed as long as you are in the know, regardless of which race you are, period. Yes, there are Asians who don't send their kids to the prep camps, there are whites who don't use Wisconsin, there are Hispanics and AAs that get in on scores, but there is a huge percent of kids who are in the grey area in all races.

I am assuming it was an autocorrect, but all this talk of Wisconsin is cracking me up.

[Anonymous]

Back on topic, Eagle View's weekly newsletter says that CogAT scores will come home in the weekly folder today.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"Needless to say our child was accepted into AAP. Doing GREAT! All fours and two grade levels ahead in math."

Congratulations, 8:25! I am so happy to read your child's inspiring story!

Thank you!

I should have added earlier that there are really supportive teachers and great parents that don't judge my child because of race. I think parents like us don't speak up as much. We have to not let bad apples spoil the bunch.

How can you be so sure that the 2nd grade teacher wasn't hesitant for reasons other than race? I am amazed at the generalizations people on this thread make.

[Anonymous]

Today in folder

[Anonymous]

If you receive your cogat today could you please explain what is on it. Is it a score or just %. Is there a seperate % for the 3 subsets or just 1 composite. Can you tell if it is age adjusted. Thanks

[Anonymous]

3 subsets% and composite %