A sad story about terrible parenting.

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Anonymous wrote:to the poster who says that 5 children by age 26 is normal outside eastern urban areas of the states, is that really true????

im somewhat willing to listen seeing as when i travel in the midwest people think im my child's grandmother (much better alternative than my other conclusion,which is i just look old).

I lived on the west coast (Orange County, San Diego County, and Los Angeles County) from the ages of 13-30, and I can tell you it was definitely not the "norm" amongst my peers. I had my first child at age 24, and was considered "young".

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Anonymous wrote:I am a super liberal. This seems like a sad tragedy, and there may be understandable (though not excusable) reasons the mom wasn't home. Perhaps not, too.

One way or another though this mother had more children than she could care for well. And it is frustrating that people don't stop having children when they are struggling to care for the ones they have. Being poor doesn't mean everything in life is out of your hands. I wouldn't even argue a poor person shouldn't have children, but I do think the number of kids she had and the conditions they were all living in suggests a reluctance to take appropriate responsibility for herself/life.

When people insist that a person should be exempt from criticism for certain life choices they've made because they are poor and black, that in and of itself is racist and patronizing. Young, poor, black women can make good choices for themselves, but this person didn't. (and lots of young, poor, white women make bad choices too...and rich white women...just in this case this person was black, and I think the unwillingness to hold her at all responsible for her life is it's own form of prejudice).

Right...because she had access to free, perfect means of birth control. And abortion on demand.

She did, actually. It is called abstinence. Or, as my mother might call it, keeping your damned legs closed. Free, respectable, and 100% effective (i.e. perfect).

You are a simple-minded person. Seriously. It must be nice to be in your head. So la-la-la and hum-de-dum.

Please explain, why is PP single minded?

She says keep your legs closed and you won't have to worry about getting pregnant..........OR you could use a condom. How about protecting your body from HIV, warts, herpes and the like? So really I think the simple minded one is you.

Not worth it. Please, go about your "moral superiority Monday" and feel good about yourself. Don't worry about these poor folks in Louisiana. But it sure is fun to judge them from afar isn't it? Such a fun "intellectual exercise" to discuss this woman's life and lifestyle and dead children. Then go home and forget all about them. Sure, please continue.

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Anonymous wrote:The four boys have three different last names, but two of them (the first and third) have the same last name as their mother...Seems likely that each of the boys had a different father.

So fucking what????

Really? 4 kids by 4 different men in less than 6 years gets a "so what" reaction?

Well, apparently this should be no surprise because it's normal and acceptable. It is common and expected and we should strive for nothing better than to get pregnant by every man we meet. Yup, and then we should feel sorry for her welfare receiving ass because life is so hard for her. Then we should pity her for not having opportunities

Why do I have a feeling she was out working on baby number, what was it now? 7 or 8?

Her ass should have been home with her children. Period.

i'll take it a step farther -- the kids probably shoul dhave been taken out of the "home" and adopted by parents who want them and would take care of them.

I'll take it two steps further - she should have used contraception.

[Anonymous]

I honestly don't care how many kids she had by how many different people. The issue is that they were her kids and they were too young to be left alone, and should not have been. This is really tragic, and I feel so bad for those poor children.

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Anonymous wrote:I am a super liberal. This seems like a sad tragedy, and there may be understandable (though not excusable) reasons the mom wasn't home. Perhaps not, too.

One way or another though this mother had more children than she could care for well. And it is frustrating that people don't stop having children when they are struggling to care for the ones they have. Being poor doesn't mean everything in life is out of your hands. I wouldn't even argue a poor person shouldn't have children, but I do think the number of kids she had and the conditions they were all living in suggests a reluctance to take appropriate responsibility for herself/life.

When people insist that a person should be exempt from criticism for certain life choices they've made because they are poor and black, that in and of itself is racist and patronizing. Young, poor, black women can make good choices for themselves, but this person didn't. (and lots of young, poor, white women make bad choices too...and rich white women...just in this case this person was black, and I think the unwillingness to hold her at all responsible for her life is it's own form of prejudice).

Right...because she had access to free, perfect means of birth control. And abortion on demand.

She did, actually. It is called abstinence. Or, as my mother might call it, keeping your damned legs closed. Free, respectable, and 100% effective (i.e. perfect).

You are a simple-minded person. Seriously. It must be nice to be in your head. So la-la-la and hum-de-dum.

Please explain, why is PP single minded?

She says keep your legs closed and you won't have to worry about getting pregnant..........OR you could use a condom. How about protecting your body from HIV, warts, herpes and the like? So really I think the simple minded one is you.

Not worth it. Please, go about your "moral superiority Monday" and feel good about yourself. Don't worry about these poor folks in Louisiana. But it sure is fun to judge them from afar isn't it? Such a fun "intellectual exercise" to discuss this woman's life and lifestyle and dead children. Then go home and forget all about them. Sure, please continue.

So poor people are too stupid to know how children are created? I think they are smarter than that, but some people just choose to be irresponsible. All the PP's were saying is that one option to not keep having children is keeping your legs closed. Your argument is, those poor people in Louisiana don't know how to do that? or it's just too much to expect that of them?

That's a horrible and insulting argument.

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Anonymous wrote:I am a super liberal. This seems like a sad tragedy, and there may be understandable (though not excusable) reasons the mom wasn't home. Perhaps not, too.

One way or another though this mother had more children than she could care for well. And it is frustrating that people don't stop having children when they are struggling to care for the ones they have. Being poor doesn't mean everything in life is out of your hands. I wouldn't even argue a poor person shouldn't have children, but I do think the number of kids she had and the conditions they were all living in suggests a reluctance to take appropriate responsibility for herself/life.

When people insist that a person should be exempt from criticism for certain life choices they've made because they are poor and black, that in and of itself is racist and patronizing. Young, poor, black women can make good choices for themselves, but this person didn't. (and lots of young, poor, white women make bad choices too...and rich white women...just in this case this person was black, and I think the unwillingness to hold her at all responsible for her life is it's own form of prejudice).

Right...because she had access to free, perfect means of birth control. And abortion on demand.

She did, actually. It is called abstinence. Or, as my mother might call it, keeping your damned legs closed. Free, respectable, and 100% effective (i.e. perfect).

PP, you sound sexually frustrated. When was the last time you got laid?

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Anonymous wrote:Before judging the mom for being away from home, I'd like to know why she was away from home. If she was out partying, we should condemn that. If she was working the graveyard shift on poorly paid job and she couldn't afford childcare, that's another matter.

The fact that the children had several different fathers is irrelevant as to why she was gone that night.

She was gone often. If she can find relatives to watch the oldest one night, why couldn't she find care for the others? Why have so many kids if you can't provide basic care? I'd bet that some of those neighbors would rather help out for babysitting on occasion vs the kids being home alone. IF the mom was working vs partying.

Well I don't know. It is possible her health insurance did not cover birth control. Or, perhaps if she was on TANF, and it did not cover birth control. TANF is controlled by the individual states and Louisiana is not a state that allows free choice for women. Perhaps, the funding for the local agencies such as Planned Parenthood ran out of money. You know there were a lot of cutbacks, and people don't want their money used for birth control. There could be a whole list of reasons why she can't get proper birth control.

I know, I know, your next statement is why can't she stop fracking then. Well maybe because she is not as frigid as half the women on DCUM and she actually enjoys the pleasure of a good FU*K.

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You are a simple-minded person. Seriously. It must be nice to be in your head. So la-la-la and hum-de-dum.

Please explain, why is PP single minded?

She says keep your legs closed and you won't have to worry about getting pregnant..........OR you could use a condom. How about protecting your body from HIV, warts, herpes and the like? So really I think the simple minded one is you.

Not worth it. Please, go about your "moral superiority Monday" and feel good about yourself. Don't worry about these poor folks in Louisiana. But it sure is fun to judge them from afar isn't it? Such a fun "intellectual exercise" to discuss this woman's life and lifestyle and dead children. Then go home and forget all about them. Sure, please continue.

What are you even talking about? I think most of us feel horrible that this happened to these poor kids. And, personally, I'd love to see it never happen again.

What do you mean by 'moral superiority'? I think it's wrong to leave your kids unattended. The law says it's wrong. It has nothing to do with 'moral superiority'. It has to do with having responsibilities and living up to them. As a mom, your kids are your responsibilities. If you don't want that responsibility, you have the right to give them up for adoption. These poor kids had no say in what happened to them. Their mom made some horrible decisions, and they lost their lives for that.

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Anonymous wrote:Before judging the mom for being away from home, I'd like to know why she was away from home. If she was out partying, we should condemn that. If she was working the graveyard shift on poorly paid job and she couldn't afford childcare, that's another matter.

The fact that the children had several different fathers is irrelevant as to why she was gone that night.

She was gone often. If she can find relatives to watch the oldest one night, why couldn't she find care for the others? Why have so many kids if you can't provide basic care? I'd bet that some of those neighbors would rather help out for babysitting on occasion vs the kids being home alone. IF the mom was working vs partying.

Well I don't know. It is possible her health insurance did not cover birth control. Or, perhaps if she was on TANF, and it did not cover birth control. TANF is controlled by the individual states and Louisiana is not a state that allows free choice for women. Perhaps, the funding for the local agencies such as Planned Parenthood ran out of money. You know there were a lot of cutbacks, and people don't want their money used for birth control. There could be a whole list of reasons why she can't get proper birth control.

I know, I know, your next statement is why can't she stop fracking then. Well maybe because she is not as frigid as half the women on DCUM and she actually enjoys the pleasure of a good FU*K.

Well, then obviously you've never been to college or high school. We all know there are tons of other ways to get your rocks off other than sex. There are lots of women who love sex. Not all of them have 5 kids. Condoms are ridiculously cheap. And way cheaper than having kids.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I am a super liberal. This seems like a sad tragedy, and there may be understandable (though not excusable) reasons the mom wasn't home. Perhaps not, too.

One way or another though this mother had more children than she could care for well. And it is frustrating that people don't stop having children when they are struggling to care for the ones they have. Being poor doesn't mean everything in life is out of your hands. I wouldn't even argue a poor person shouldn't have children, but I do think the number of kids she had and the conditions they were all living in suggests a reluctance to take appropriate responsibility for herself/life.

When people insist that a person should be exempt from criticism for certain life choices they've made because they are poor and black, that in and of itself is racist and patronizing. Young, poor, black women can make good choices for themselves, but this person didn't. (and lots of young, poor, white women make bad choices too...and rich white women...just in this case this person was black, and I think the unwillingness to hold her at all responsible for her life is it's own form of prejudice).

Right...because she had access to free, perfect means of birth control. And abortion on demand.

birth control is much cheaper than having kids. stop making excuses.

I am curious. Where do people in rural areas of the deep south and the rust belt receive FREE birth control?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I am a super liberal. This seems like a sad tragedy, and there may be understandable (though not excusable) reasons the mom wasn't home. Perhaps not, too.

One way or another though this mother had more children than she could care for well. And it is frustrating that people don't stop having children when they are struggling to care for the ones they have. Being poor doesn't mean everything in life is out of your hands. I wouldn't even argue a poor person shouldn't have children, but I do think the number of kids she had and the conditions they were all living in suggests a reluctance to take appropriate responsibility for herself/life.

When people insist that a person should be exempt from criticism for certain life choices they've made because they are poor and black, that in and of itself is racist and patronizing. Young, poor, black women can make good choices for themselves, but this person didn't. (and lots of young, poor, white women make bad choices too...and rich white women...just in this case this person was black, and I think the unwillingness to hold her at all responsible for her life is it's own form of prejudice).

Right...because she had access to free, perfect means of birth control. And abortion on demand.

birth control is much cheaper than having kids. stop making excuses.

I'm from the deep South. Tons of planned parenthood offices down there. There is access.

I am curious. Where do people in rural areas of the deep south and the rust belt receive FREE birth control?

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I know, I know, your next statement is why can't she stop fracking then. Well maybe because she is not as frigid as half the women on DCUM and she actually enjoys the pleasure of a good FU*K.

Your arguments are just making you sound more and more crazy. You want to make this woman into a victim so badly, but you don't seem to realize that it's not helping anyone. It certainly didn't help her kids.

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Anonymous wrote:But of course the father(s) get a free pass.

EXACTLY. Why have none of the fathers been arrested for not being home with their kid(s)?

The fact that two of the children had her last name, whereas the other two had different last names, leads me to think that for the ones with her last name, she either didn't know who the father was--or had completely written them out of hers/the children's lives.

I share my mother's maiden name. My mother was not married when I was born. Mom knew my father and I knew him. I don't know how you jumped to this ridiculous conclusion. Oh yes I do. In your world, everything is a one size fit all. Why do I stay on DCUM. It is full of stupid, insipid, narrow-minded, inbred biatches.

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I know, I know, your next statement is why can't she stop fracking then. Well maybe because she is not as frigid as half the women on DCUM and she actually enjoys the pleasure of a good FU*K.

Your arguments are just making you sound more and more crazy. You want to make this woman into a victim so badly, but you don't seem to realize that it's not helping anyone. It certainly didn't help her kids.

Sorry, there's more than one person disagreeing with you. But there are a lot of frigid, sexual pent up women on DCUM.

[Anonymous]

I think that woman who lost her three children in and parents in Connecticut was a bad parent. How dare she not have working fire alarms in the house.

Why exactly does she get sympathy, and she should, when the woman in this story experienced a similar tragedy receive scorn and condemnation from a bunch of lily privileged shrews in DC metro area.