Why I'm not CIOing

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I am not the OP and I posted about making CIO illegal. I guarantee it will be illegal, because it is damaging to your child. It DAMAGES your child into sleeping. It does not "teach" your child to sleep at night. Neglected babies do the very same thing -- is that from "sleep training" too? Are neglected babies one step ahead of nurtured babies because they have been "trained" to sleep through the night? No. Of course not.

The government has all kinds of parental behaviors that it determines are bad for children -- so bad that if "choose" to do them to your kids, then the government takes your kids away from you. Did you not know that? Really?

So let's say for the sake of argument that CIO will become illegal. How exactly do you propose that particular piece of legislation be enforced? Just curious. Hidden cameras implanted under baby's skin at birth?

You clearly have no idea what sleep training entails. Go educate yourself before you come to a public forum and make idiotic statements like this. Even anonymously.

The very same way all the other child abuse and child neglect laws already on the books are already being enforced -- maybe even easier since people can hear your baby screaming for hours on end.

Again, you have no idea what sleep training is. Most methods advocate checking on the baby every few minutes. And how the hell would people tell that a baby is not colicky, teething, has an ear infection or all of the above. But of course, you, oh perfect parent have all the answers so I'm sure you'll find a way. Good luck with your open-minded, non judgmental parenting style. I am sure you are going to raise a similarly amazing human being.

Checking on your baby isn't want your baby needs; it if were, they would stop crying and go back to sleep after you check on them. But they don't, do they.

Actually, PP, see my post at 21:41. We had a baby who did NOT want to be held and comforted. It made him cry even more. Perhaps it seems unbelievable and it certainly seemed contradictory to us, but it was true.

[Anonymous]

Yeah, the poster who thinks no child abuse or child neglect laws are enforceable because we can't implant cameras under a newborn's skin -- now that is sane! But being against CIO and having sound arguments to back up my opinion, now that's crazy talk! Oh brother. So far no arguments on the pro-CIO side other than insults.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Yeah, the poster who thinks no child abuse or child neglect laws are enforceable because we can't implant cameras under a newborn's skin -- now that is sane! But being against CIO and having sound arguments to back up my opinion, now that's crazy talk! Oh brother. So far no arguments on the pro-CIO side other than insults.

First off, are you OP or the bitch who hi-jacked her thread? I might not agree with OP but you are terrible and ruined any point she was trying to make. 2) No one wants to deal with you let alone argue with you because you are a crazed fool. If you are such a good parent go be with your kid and shut up already.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I am not the OP and I posted about making CIO illegal. I guarantee it will be illegal, because it is damaging to your child. It DAMAGES your child into sleeping. It does not "teach" your child to sleep at night. Neglected babies do the very same thing -- is that from "sleep training" too? Are neglected babies one step ahead of nurtured babies because they have been "trained" to sleep through the night? No. Of course not.

The government has all kinds of parental behaviors that it determines are bad for children -- so bad that if "choose" to do them to your kids, then the government takes your kids away from you. Did you not know that? Really?

So let's say for the sake of argument that CIO will become illegal. How exactly do you propose that particular piece of legislation be enforced? Just curious. Hidden cameras implanted under baby's skin at birth?

You clearly have no idea what sleep training entails. Go educate yourself before you come to a public forum and make idiotic statements like this. Even anonymously.

The very same way all the other child abuse and child neglect laws already on the books are already being enforced -- maybe even easier since people can hear your baby screaming for hours on end.

Again, you have no idea what sleep training is. Most methods advocate checking on the baby every few minutes. And how the hell would people tell that a baby is not colicky, teething, has an ear infection or all of the above. But of course, you, oh perfect parent have all the answers so I'm sure you'll find a way. Good luck with your open-minded, non judgmental parenting style. I am sure you are going to raise a similarly amazing human being.

Checking on your baby isn't want your baby needs; it if were, they would stop crying and go back to sleep after you check on them. But they don't, do they.

Actually, PP, see my post at 21:41. We had a baby who did NOT want to be held and comforted. It made him cry even more. Perhaps it seems unbelievable and it certainly seemed contradictory to us, but it was true.

I'm that PP you quoted (again). I have two kids -- one was like yours, did not want to be messed with or comforted and still is like that today; prefers to sleep alone. That is not the kind of baby who needs CIO. The kinds of babies who NEED something from their parents at night are the ones being put through CIO. Not all babies are the same or need the same things to go to sleep. To subject babies who are extra needy at night to CIO -- and they're the ones CIO was invented for -- is wrong.

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Anonymous wrote:OMG. You people are crazy. The OP was sharing - that what this page is here for. And you women hijacked the shit out of it, and went nuts.

Do I let DC CIO? No, because I don't have to. Baby goes to sleep with minimal fuss. I see both sides - sometimes our dear children need to cry it out, and sometimes they don't! Sometimes, they are not tired! Happens to adults too. Sometimes they are.

You all need to tap into that uncrazy part of yourself and get a grip. Put your nastiness away. Do what's right for you, and be happy for others.

Umm can you read? She is not just posting she is also saying that people who use CIO are the equivalent to people who are cruel to their babies. Its absolutely disgusting what this woman is spewing out to people. As another pp said, she is entitled to her opinion, but how dare she make people using CIO out to be abusive parents.

OK, so I went back and re-read every post from the OP. She didn't say people who CIO are cruel to their babies; someone else talked about CIO being illegal. OP might have gotten defensive after everyone jumped down her throat, but she's repeatedly stated that she was just sharing, because she's thrilled with her choice. I really don't think she meant to get everyone defending their right to raise their child!

Well its hard to tell because there is some zealot who I thought was OP but maybe not. I see what you mean. However, if not OP the other woman is totally ruining OPS thread then with her crazy ramblings.

Oh, I totally agree with you there!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Yeah, the poster who thinks no child abuse or child neglect laws are enforceable because we can't implant cameras under a newborn's skin -- now that is sane! But being against CIO and having sound arguments to back up my opinion, now that's crazy talk! Oh brother. So far no arguments on the pro-CIO side other than insults.

First off, are you OP or the bitch who hi-jacked her thread? I might not agree with OP but you are terrible and ruined any point she was trying to make. 2) No one wants to deal with you let alone argue with you because you are a crazed fool. If you are such a good parent go be with your kid and shut up already.

My kids are asleep. ; )

(And you are really abrasive.)

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I am not the OP and I posted about making CIO illegal. I guarantee it will be illegal, because it is damaging to your child. It DAMAGES your child into sleeping. It does not "teach" your child to sleep at night. Neglected babies do the very same thing -- is that from "sleep training" too? Are neglected babies one step ahead of nurtured babies because they have been "trained" to sleep through the night? No. Of course not.

The government has all kinds of parental behaviors that it determines are bad for children -- so bad that if "choose" to do them to your kids, then the government takes your kids away from you. Did you not know that? Really?

So let's say for the sake of argument that CIO will become illegal. How exactly do you propose that particular piece of legislation be enforced? Just curious. Hidden cameras implanted under baby's skin at birth?

You clearly have no idea what sleep training entails. Go educate yourself before you come to a public forum and make idiotic statements like this. Even anonymously.

I read the post last week where you insinuated that parents were neglecting their LO's by letting them CIO and I have been contemplating this idea ever since. And for several reasons, I think your idea is WAY off base. For starters, a child who is neglected or abused to the point of CPS removal/foster care placement is significantly emotionally damaged. CIO would not seem to be appropriate for these LO's. But a well-cared for, loved, nutured, and secure child is not in the same boat. Please, stop comparing the LO's you are entrusted with to ours...I think what you are doing for those kids is amazing and selfless...but the emotional compexities that you are dealing with are an exception. Careul observation and support for the child are key to sleep training...not ignorance and selfishness.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Yeah, the poster who thinks no child abuse or child neglect laws are enforceable because we can't implant cameras under a newborn's skin -- now that is sane! But being against CIO and having sound arguments to back up my opinion, now that's crazy talk! Oh brother. So far no arguments on the pro-CIO side other than insults.

21:20 here - actually CIO has worked for us when we needed it. Sometimes DC was ill-behaved all night, and when it was time for bed, she felt like screaming instead. So she CIO. We checked on her. The crying became less frequent, and the foot stomping and wall banging slowly faded. Sometimes it works. If it's 9pm, her butt is in bed no matter what she wants. She needs sleep!
I'll say it again; I'm lucky, she doesn't do it very often.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Yeah, the poster who thinks no child abuse or child neglect laws are enforceable because we can't implant cameras under a newborn's skin -- now that is sane! But being against CIO and having sound arguments to back up my opinion, now that's crazy talk! Oh brother. So far no arguments on the pro-CIO side other than insults.

First off, are you OP or the bitch who hi-jacked her thread? I might not agree with OP but you are terrible and ruined any point she was trying to make. 2) No one wants to deal with you let alone argue with you because you are a crazed fool. If you are such a good parent go be with your kid and shut up already.

My kids are asleep. ; )

(And you are really abrasive.)

Hey crazy answer the question...oh too scared now that you got called out? You completely ruined OPs thread...I am sure she is happy to have people like you insult others to "stand up for her".

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am not the OP and I posted about making CIO illegal. I guarantee it will be illegal, because it is damaging to your child. It DAMAGES your child into sleeping. It does not "teach" your child to sleep at night. Neglected babies do the very same thing -- is that from "sleep training" too? Are neglected babies one step ahead of nurtured babies because they have been "trained" to sleep through the night? No. Of course not.

The government has all kinds of parental behaviors that it determines are bad for children -- so bad that if "choose" to do them to your kids, then the government takes your kids away from you. Did you not know that? Really?

So let's say for the sake of argument that CIO will become illegal. How exactly do you propose that particular piece of legislation be enforced? Just curious. Hidden cameras implanted under baby's skin at birth?

You clearly have no idea what sleep training entails. Go educate yourself before you come to a public forum and make idiotic statements like this. Even anonymously.

I read the post last week where you insinuated that parents were neglecting their LO's by letting them CIO and I have been contemplating this idea ever since. And for several reasons, I think your idea is WAY off base. For starters, a child who is neglected or abused to the point of CPS removal/foster care placement is significantly emotionally damaged. CIO would not seem to be appropriate for these LO's. But a well-cared for, loved, nutured, and secure child is not in the same boat. Please, stop comparing the LO's you are entrusted with to ours...I think what you are doing for those kids is amazing and selfless...but the emotional compexities that you are dealing with are an exception. Careul observation and support for the child are key to sleep training...not ignorance and selfishness.

I don't know what an "LO" is -- loved one? I can only tell you what I've learned about neglect and the effects it has on babies and children. CIO is neglect. It is trauma. That's how it works. "Careful observation and support of the child" don't matter to the baby -- they matter to you. The effect on the baby is the same. That's the entire point. The baby isn't "learning" to sleep, he is responding to the trauma of not having his needs met.

[Anonymous]

People should stop posting because OP obviously checked out. There is a bitch who took over on here and is responding to every post from her point of view. I would lik to apologize OP because I did not agree with her initially, but you were in no way offensive and agressive as the only other woman on here making completelt ignorant comments to people.

[Anonymous]

I'm the OP and I'm not the same poster as the person advocating for making CIO against the law.

I came here to share why I believe in comforting my children when they cry in the middle of the night.

As I said before, you ladies are free to do whatever you want. I just found interesting how many people will rely on lies and dismiss important scientific evidence out of convenience.

[Anonymous]

My disagreeing with you is not crazy or bitchy or offensive. If you could hold up your end of the argument then I doubt you would be getting so upset by my posts.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm the OP and I'm not the same poster as the person advocating for making CIO against the law.

I came here to share why I believe in comforting my children when they cry in the middle of the night.

As I said before, you ladies are free to do whatever you want. I just found interesting how many people will rely on lies and dismiss important scientific evidence out of convenience.

Thanks for clearing that up OP. I might not agree with you but I respect your point of view and wish you the best with your kids and the future! Sorry for the mix up thinking you were the other poster.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am not the OP and I posted about making CIO illegal. I guarantee it will be illegal, because it is damaging to your child. It DAMAGES your child into sleeping. It does not "teach" your child to sleep at night. Neglected babies do the very same thing -- is that from "sleep training" too? Are neglected babies one step ahead of nurtured babies because they have been "trained" to sleep through the night? No. Of course not.

The government has all kinds of parental behaviors that it determines are bad for children -- so bad that if "choose" to do them to your kids, then the government takes your kids away from you. Did you not know that? Really?

So let's say for the sake of argument that CIO will become illegal. How exactly do you propose that particular piece of legislation be enforced? Just curious. Hidden cameras implanted under baby's skin at birth?

You clearly have no idea what sleep training entails. Go educate yourself before you come to a public forum and make idiotic statements like this. Even anonymously.

I read the post last week where you insinuated that parents were neglecting their LO's by letting them CIO and I have been contemplating this idea ever since. And for several reasons, I think your idea is WAY off base. For starters, a child who is neglected or abused to the point of CPS removal/foster care placement is significantly emotionally damaged. CIO would not seem to be appropriate for these LO's. But a well-cared for, loved, nutured, and secure child is not in the same boat. Please, stop comparing the LO's you are entrusted with to ours...I think what you are doing for those kids is amazing and selfless...but the emotional compexities that you are dealing with are an exception. Careul observation and support for the child are key to sleep training...not ignorance and selfishness.

I don't know what an "LO" is -- loved one? I can only tell you what I've learned about neglect and the effects it has on babies and children. CIO is neglect. It is trauma. That's how it works. "Careful observation and support of the child" don't matter to the baby -- they matter to you. The effect on the baby is the same. That's the entire point. The baby isn't "learning" to sleep, he is responding to the trauma of not having his needs met.

LO= Little One.
I was interested to reading your response but I think you've lost me...trauma?? Getting hit by a car while on a biycle is TRAUMA. Letting your LO cry...well, at my house it happens with most diaper changes/nightly meds (which are literally life saving)/anytime DD doesn' get her way...I don't consider crying TRAUMATIC. And, it is quite possible to meetyour LO's needs (clean diaper, full tummy, no pain, etc) and not their WANTS.

Again, the babies you care for are unique and have special emotional needs. And I think it is wonderful that these babies have such compassionate caregier to help thm learn to trust.