Ivy outcomes are often just, well, average

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Anonymous wrote:Whatever you need to tell yourself.

+100

At my Ivy, we had special recognition for those students going into public service at graduation. This included teachers. We encourage our kids to pursue their interests and talents, and already they hear comments from others about how little money they will make in the future. It's very odd to me because no one knows what's going to happen in the future. Maybe one of them will become a bilionnaire... maybe another will be poor and homeless. No one knows so I don't understand why people make such comments to 17 year olds.

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It is a mathematical universe!

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Anonymous wrote:I went to Yale and deliberately became a high school teacher. On purpose because I wanted to. Yale was fun and I got a good education. And, I got a really fantastic husband. 10 out of 10. Would recommend.

Lots of adults who were strong students become teachers. it's where you got all your positive affirmation as a child. You liked being the alpha dog then and you like it now. We all know people like you. You stopped evolving at 19 probably still talk about your SAT scores.

Yale teacher here. I kind of love this response. The idea that someone who cares about being an "alpha dog" would voluntarily become a high school English teacher and be satisfied with that choice is unhinged but funny. I do hope you are as happy doing whatever you do and loving whoever you love as I have been.

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My high school classmates who went to Ivies and my classmates who went to our less-competitive state flagship (not UVA, Berkeley, or Michigan) are doing similar things. Not-so-high-profile lives as doctors, lawyers, managers, etc.

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I went to HYP on financial aid. Did not have access to the network of wealthy private or elite public school students. I went into academia and had a great outcome, but I would have struggled if I had wanted to do consulting or other business career. For high financial aid/FGLI, unless they are very social and can break in, careers with a clear meritocratic path like med, law, PhD work out best, in which case a very smart student might have been able to get into an Ivy grad school anyway and I’m not sure the Ivy undergrad degree makes much difference.

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I know several female Harvard grads who quit promising careers to be SAHMs or mommy tracked. My point is that they still have the same issues as the rest of us. A Harvard degree doesn’t shield you from that.

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Anonymous wrote:This discussion misses the forest for the trees. Fully 70-80% of my H/Y/P peers went on to graduate or professional schools. That will be a much smaller percentage from T100 or T200 school. Those terminal degrees influence career outcomes much more then whether they went Ivy or JMU.

Same kid from the Ivy would have similar outcomes had they gone to T100 or whatever.

The Ivy doesn't magically transform you with a golden ticket for the vast majority of students. But in certain select cases there are exceptions.

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Anonymous wrote:You need to move on from your jealousy OP. My kid went to Princeton and graduated with an English Degree. Millionaire by age 30.

statistics is not your friend, clearly.

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Anonymous wrote:Were you born yesterday? The vast majority of Ivy grads will end up with very ordinary lives. Many will struggle to make ends week just like the rest of society.

+1 Where you go to college is not related what what you will become for the vast majority of people.

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I find it amusing that people feel the urge to periodically post arguments from one side or the other just to prove "something". I’m not sure who these posts are trying to convince—or why.

So yes, I agree: do whatever you believe. In reality, most people don't care about others. Soon even degrees will not matter much.

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[quote=Anonymous]I find it amusing that people feel the urge to periodically post arguments from one side or the other just to prove "something". I’m not sure who these posts are trying to convince—or why.

So yes, I agree: do whatever you believe. In reality, most people don't care about others. Soon even degrees will not matter much.

Same, why so many posts trying to convince others? If it’s what you believe, carry on.

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Anonymous wrote:I find it amusing that people feel the urge to periodically post arguments from one side or the other just to prove "something". I’m not sure who these posts are trying to convince—or why.

So yes, I agree: do whatever you believe. In reality, most people don't care about others. Soon even degrees will not matter much.

I just read an article called the 2028 Global Intelligence Crisis about how we are working ourselves into obsolescence without even realizing. Indeed, degrees will not matter much.

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Anonymous wrote:This is not true. I have never met any family doctor who is an ivy graduate, undergrad or med school. They almost all ended up in some specialties or surgeons.

I know tons.

lol. Nowadays registered nurses practice family medicine. You must be really old to know tons ivy grad family docs.

Or went to an ivy med school? A big chunk go into primary care.

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Anonymous wrote:It has always been like this. Many ivy graduates struggle like anyone else to land their first job or work in their desired career field. This can leave such persons angry at the hard grind they chose versus going to a more balanced school where you can have some life outside the grind.

There is something to be said about going to a lower stress school and rocking it there versus the Ivies's souless grind.

Ivies are not a soulless grind

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Anonymous wrote:I find it amusing that people feel the urge to periodically post arguments from one side or the other just to prove "something". I’m not sure who these posts are trying to convince—or why.

So yes, I agree: do whatever you believe. In reality, most people don't care about others. Soon even degrees will not matter much.

I just read an article called the 2028 Global Intelligence Crisis about how we are working ourselves into obsolescence without even realizing. Indeed, degrees will not matter much.

Ah yes, the ever-popular Citrini Research Substack.

When it comes to AI, my expectation from Ivy-educated leaders would be this: figure out how to protect human innovation, rather than joining the ranks of tech insiders who profit from these. Err, but what's the mission of Ivy? Seems to me too many seem eager to ride the AGI hype and sell the illusion at every scale to replace human because everyone is replaceable and stupid.

What we really need are people with strong critical thinking skills.