Ivy outcomes are often just, well, average

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Anonymous wrote:This is not true. I have never met any family doctor who is an ivy graduate, undergrad or med school. They almost all ended up in some specialties or surgeons.

I know tons.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have met multiple ivy degree holders working jobs in high school education, middling research depts, "self employed" scrapping by. Sure there are some high profile ivy leaguers but in the end many end up in same jobs as middling t200 degree holders.

The correct way to view outcome is to think of two Bell curves representing the distribution of outcomes of Ivy graduates and t200 graduates. It is without question that the Ivy Bell curve has a mean that is higher than that of the t200 Bell curve. Both Bell curves have tails representing good and bad outliers (Ivy grads driving Uber/stocking shelves, Ivy grads becoming prominent techies/politicians, t200 grads doing the same). Both Bell curves overlap so you see Ivy and t200 grads working the same role in the same office, creating the misleading impression that the outcomes are similar. What most "local observations" fail to capture is the fact that the Ivy Bell curve is to the right of the t200 Bell curve, suggesting that for any given percentile, Ivy grads in that percentile have better outcomes than those from t200.

Where is the evidence for the Bell curve - controlled of course for the greater family wealth of Ivy grads?
This and anecdotal evidence is based on your network.

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Anonymous wrote:Of course! This is a benefit of attending an elite school—you don’t have illusions about the specialness of people who graduated from one.

You’re outing yourself.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is not true. I have never met any family doctor who is an ivy graduate, undergrad or med school. They almost all ended up in some specialties or surgeons.

I know tons.

lol. Nowadays registered nurses practice family medicine. You must be really old to know tons ivy grad family docs.

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Anonymous wrote:I have met multiple ivy degree holders working jobs in high school education, middling research depts, "self employed" scrapping by. Sure there are some high profile ivy leaguers but in the end many end up in same jobs as middling t200 degree holders.

The correct way to view outcome is to think of two Bell curves representing the distribution of outcomes of Ivy graduates and t200 graduates. It is without question that the Ivy Bell curve has a mean that is higher than that of the t200 Bell curve. Both Bell curves have tails representing good and bad outliers (Ivy grads driving Uber/stocking shelves, Ivy grads becoming prominent techies/politicians, t200 grads doing the same). Both Bell curves overlap so you see Ivy and t200 grads working the same role in the same office, creating the misleading impression that the outcomes are similar. What most "local observations" fail to capture is the fact that the Ivy Bell curve is to the right of the t200 Bell curve, suggesting that for any given percentile, Ivy grads in that percentile have better outcomes than those from t200.

Accurate

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Am assuming you mean undergraduate alums. All the Ivies have joke masters and whore themselves through those MAs and certificate programs.

As for undergraduate, the typical graduate ends up in a solidly UMC life. Which they would have had regardless of where they went.

A good percent, let's say the top 20%, are in the top 1% and even more ratified.

Probably the same percent end up in low paying careers and go nowhere.

All this is based on being an Ivy alum and watching classmates both from college and HS who went to other Ivies and the larger network of people I know.

Have to say I stopped caring about the Ivy League around age 25 when I hit the real world and it quickly became apparent what people's trajectories were.

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It has always been like this. Many ivy graduates struggle like anyone else to land their first job or work in their desired career field. This can leave such persons angry at the hard grind they chose versus going to a more balanced school where you can have some life outside the grind.

There is something to be said about going to a lower stress school and rocking it there versus the Ivies's souless grind.

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You need to move on from your jealousy OP. My kid went to Princeton and graduated with an English Degree. Millionaire by age 30.

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Anonymous wrote:This is not true. I have never met any family doctor who is an ivy graduate, undergrad or med school. They almost all ended up in some specialties or surgeons.

Lol ok. My family doc is an Ivy grad.

The "ivy grads don't practice family medicine" is an idiot of the top degree.

I'm married to an Ivy grad, family medicine physician. My cousin went to Penn and works in primary care pediatrics.

Brown, Harvard, Penn, Yale, Columbia, Dartmouth and Cornell all have their own TOP primary care/family medicine training programs.

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My spouse went to one of H/Y/P and I went to a T5 Ivy law school. Classmates are all very successful. I went to a T10 non Ivy undergrad, outcomes are more mixed.

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Social media and rankings have done a great job of marketing certain schools.

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Yes, quite true in my circle.

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Doesn’t the experience itself count more? Why is your education defined by job/career outcomes?

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All...remember that 50%+ of all Ivy league students are attending for free or nearly free. This affords them the ability to pursue whatever career they want.

In fact, the UMC students are more likely to pursue the PE/Banking/VC/MBB/Hedge Fund jobs.

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Ivies have always been primarily for the wealthy, athletes and nepos. If you are not one of those with a ivy degree, it's just a degree same as from State U.