When does the chair thrower have to leave school?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why don’t schools with violent kids bolt down the furniture and remove sharp objects that can be weapons, like they do in prisons?

How absurd. The inmates are running the asylum. So instead of removing violent kids from classroom every other student in the classroom has to learn in a prison environment. So the classrooms would not have pencils, pens, staplers, or larger books. It doesn't matter the size of the child every chair is supposed to be bolted down? Classroom desks could only have one arrangement, no more move your desks to work in groups? No student could have a water bottle or thermos in class?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Threads like this pop up from time to time and are almost never productive or helpful - just filled with generalizations or hearsay that don't reflect the actual law, policies, or contexts that schools and families are working within. I wish Jeff would do more to moderate or remove them because they are ableist and often inaccurate.

Also, we're talking about a child in your school community who needs support - maybe use that framing instead of "chair thrower." It's not like there are one-size-fits-all spaces in self-contained classrooms or good special ed private schools for every student who would benefit from them.

The only good advice here is what a PP said about documenting and sharing with the teacher/principal factual info about the impact on your own child.

Whenever I see “ableist” used I just know there’s gonna be an uninterrupted streak of nonsense

I see what you think about disabled kids. You are sick.
Even if this child doesn’t have a disability, it’s clear they have trauma and no clear boundaries at home or at school. They need support and it’s clear that school does not know what to do. I was previously a special education teacher who now teachers general education, I have had a student who shattered a glass window by the door, I have had students throw items, and hit. Those students all stopped within a month. One took 2 months because it took me a while to get through to the parents.

In the meantime, I made sure NONE of my students got hurt and learning continued. It was difficult that first month but we got through it. The other students learned empathy and how to advocate for themselves as well.

The ‘chair thrower’ will not be leaving. You better ask the school what plan is in place and ask the teacher if they are actually able to follow the plan. Ask them what they are doing to ensure learning is continuing and how they are ensuring the safety of your child. If they cannot answer these simple questions fully the school isn’t actually doing much but running around like a chicken with its head cut off or seeing a fire and screaming ‘fire!’

Too bad. It’s a new world in 2025. You’re kidding yourself if you don’t think we will finally be able to get these violent kids out of the classrooms. The days of spending years to document are soon to be in the past.

Another ignoramus. All children have a right to education in this country and children with disabilities will not be thrown out of schools like you think.

The IDEA staff at DoE got fired. There's no one to do enforcement, and rights do not enforce themselves. More kids are absolutely going to be taken out of mainstream classrooms.

Yep! PPP get your violent kid in line or they will be removed from the classroom.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why don’t schools with violent kids bolt down the furniture and remove sharp objects that can be weapons, like they do in prisons?

How absurd. The inmates are running the asylum. So instead of removing violent kids from classroom every other student in the classroom has to learn in a prison environment. So the classrooms would not have pencils, pens, staplers, or larger books. It doesn't matter the size of the child every chair is supposed to be bolted down? Classroom desks could only have one arrangement, no more move your desks to work in groups? No student could have a water bottle or thermos in class?

It’s called harm reduction.

[Anonymous]

It baffles me that teachers, students and medical professionals can be assaulted at work and it's not a crime.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If you really want to know, it's when the school has done all the paperwork to get the city to fund a 1:1 aide and then that doesn't work and then get a spot in a self-contained classroom or private school placement. So it's a long process, and the process basically involves convincing the city that it's necessary to agree to something expensive.

Teacher here. This is.correct.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If you really want to know, it's when the school has done all the paperwork to get the city to fund a 1:1 aide and then that doesn't work and then get a spot in a self-contained classroom or private school placement. So it's a long process, and the process basically involves convincing the city that it's necessary to agree to something expensive.

Teacher here. This is.correct.

What, if anything, can parents do to help beyond reporting each incident that affects their own kid (either through physical violence or fear/trauma)?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If you really want to know, it's when the school has done all the paperwork to get the city to fund a 1:1 aide and then that doesn't work and then get a spot in a self-contained classroom or private school placement. So it's a long process, and the process basically involves convincing the city that it's necessary to agree to something expensive.

Teacher here. This is.correct.

What, if anything, can parents do to help beyond reporting each incident that affects their own kid (either through physical violence or fear/trauma)?

. Tell your child to stay away from the violent kid, learn self defense.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If you really want to know, it's when the school has done all the paperwork to get the city to fund a 1:1 aide and then that doesn't work and then get a spot in a self-contained classroom or private school placement. So it's a long process, and the process basically involves convincing the city that it's necessary to agree to something expensive.

Teacher here. This is.correct.

What, if anything, can parents do to help beyond reporting each incident that affects their own kid (either through physical violence or fear/trauma)?

. Tell your child to stay away from the violent kid, learn self defense.

Anything the parents can do to help get the situation to stop happening? Other than reporting through the school and complaining?

I agree about telling my kid to avoid the other one and learn to defend themselves if needed but obviously that's not a perfect solution. But yeah I had a conversation with my kid recently where I explained the difference between random physical aggression and self-defense. Wish I didn't have to, but here we are.

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Anonymous wrote:Threads like this pop up from time to time and are almost never productive or helpful - just filled with generalizations or hearsay that don't reflect the actual law, policies, or contexts that schools and families are working within. I wish Jeff would do more to moderate or remove them because they are ableist and often inaccurate.

Also, we're talking about a child in your school community who needs support - maybe use that framing instead of "chair thrower." It's not like there are one-size-fits-all spaces in self-contained classrooms or good special ed private schools for every student who would benefit from them.

The only good advice here is what a PP said about documenting and sharing with the teacher/principal factual info about the impact on your own child.

Whenever I see “ableist” used I just know there’s gonna be an uninterrupted streak of nonsense

I see what you think about disabled kids. You are sick.
Even if this child doesn’t have a disability, it’s clear they have trauma and no clear boundaries at home or at school. They need support and it’s clear that school does not know what to do. I was previously a special education teacher who now teachers general education, I have had a student who shattered a glass window by the door, I have had students throw items, and hit. Those students all stopped within a month. One took 2 months because it took me a while to get through to the parents.

In the meantime, I made sure NONE of my students got hurt and learning continued. It was difficult that first month but we got through it. The other students learned empathy and how to advocate for themselves as well.

The ‘chair thrower’ will not be leaving. You better ask the school what plan is in place and ask the teacher if they are actually able to follow the plan. Ask them what they are doing to ensure learning is continuing and how they are ensuring the safety of your child. If they cannot answer these simple questions fully the school isn’t actually doing much but running around like a chicken with its head cut off or seeing a fire and screaming ‘fire!’

Keep thinking that. People are FED UP. Laws can change.

You literally are an idiot. Go move to Florida.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Threads like this pop up from time to time and are almost never productive or helpful - just filled with generalizations or hearsay that don't reflect the actual law, policies, or contexts that schools and families are working within. I wish Jeff would do more to moderate or remove them because they are ableist and often inaccurate.

Also, we're talking about a child in your school community who needs support - maybe use that framing instead of "chair thrower." It's not like there are one-size-fits-all spaces in self-contained classrooms or good special ed private schools for every student who would benefit from them.

The only good advice here is what a PP said about documenting and sharing with the teacher/principal factual info about the impact on your own child.

Whenever I see “ableist” used I just know there’s gonna be an uninterrupted streak of nonsense

I see what you think about disabled kids. You are sick.
Even if this child doesn’t have a disability, it’s clear they have trauma and no clear boundaries at home or at school. They need support and it’s clear that school does not know what to do. I was previously a special education teacher who now teachers general education, I have had a student who shattered a glass window by the door, I have had students throw items, and hit. Those students all stopped within a month. One took 2 months because it took me a while to get through to the parents.

In the meantime, I made sure NONE of my students got hurt and learning continued. It was difficult that first month but we got through it. The other students learned empathy and how to advocate for themselves as well.

The ‘chair thrower’ will not be leaving. You better ask the school what plan is in place and ask the teacher if they are actually able to follow the plan. Ask them what they are doing to ensure learning is continuing and how they are ensuring the safety of your child. If they cannot answer these simple questions fully the school isn’t actually doing much but running around like a chicken with its head cut off or seeing a fire and screaming ‘fire!’

It's scary for kids to be in a classroom with violent kids. You're bigger than the violent kids, but they're not. And it's not like there are violent/traumatized kids vs. everyone else: everyone has different stuff going on, but when kids aren't disruptive, it's assumed they're doing ok even if they're being strongly negatively affected.

Ha! I am 5’1. Most of the students are larger than me!

And why are you talking like I don’t know that? This is about high need students not others.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Threads like this pop up from time to time and are almost never productive or helpful - just filled with generalizations or hearsay that don't reflect the actual law, policies, or contexts that schools and families are working within. I wish Jeff would do more to moderate or remove them because they are ableist and often inaccurate.

Also, we're talking about a child in your school community who needs support - maybe use that framing instead of "chair thrower." It's not like there are one-size-fits-all spaces in self-contained classrooms or good special ed private schools for every student who would benefit from them.

The only good advice here is what a PP said about documenting and sharing with the teacher/principal factual info about the impact on your own child.

Whenever I see “ableist” used I just know there’s gonna be an uninterrupted streak of nonsense

I see what you think about disabled kids. You are sick.
Even if this child doesn’t have a disability, it’s clear they have trauma and no clear boundaries at home or at school. They need support and it’s clear that school does not know what to do. I was previously a special education teacher who now teachers general education, I have had a student who shattered a glass window by the door, I have had students throw items, and hit. Those students all stopped within a month. One took 2 months because it took me a while to get through to the parents.

In the meantime, I made sure NONE of my students got hurt and learning continued. It was difficult that first month but we got through it. The other students learned empathy and how to advocate for themselves as well.

The ‘chair thrower’ will not be leaving. You better ask the school what plan is in place and ask the teacher if they are actually able to follow the plan. Ask them what they are doing to ensure learning is continuing and how they are ensuring the safety of your child. If they cannot answer these simple questions fully the school isn’t actually doing much but running around like a chicken with its head cut off or seeing a fire and screaming ‘fire!’

Too bad. It’s a new world in 2025. You’re kidding yourself if you don’t think we will finally be able to get these violent kids out of the classrooms. The days of spending years to document are soon to be in the past.

You are funny. I am a teacher, are you? Definitely not if you think this.

You did not read what I said, just responded to respond.

I have never taught a student who I (with school supports) wasn’t able to turn it around so far. If ever I get a student like this it will be because the student unfortunately is mentally ill in a way a school cannot handle.

I’m not special, I just actually know my sh*t unlike most of these general education teachers who did not study disabilities or trauma. Or the ones who think being from a poor neighborhood means kids will listen to you.

Ps. I would rather teach kids who throw chairs, than ones who are ableist. Much harder to change. Hope you’re not instilling your hatred.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Threads like this pop up from time to time and are almost never productive or helpful - just filled with generalizations or hearsay that don't reflect the actual law, policies, or contexts that schools and families are working within. I wish Jeff would do more to moderate or remove them because they are ableist and often inaccurate.

Also, we're talking about a child in your school community who needs support - maybe use that framing instead of "chair thrower." It's not like there are one-size-fits-all spaces in self-contained classrooms or good special ed private schools for every student who would benefit from them.

The only good advice here is what a PP said about documenting and sharing with the teacher/principal factual info about the impact on your own child.

Whenever I see “ableist” used I just know there’s gonna be an uninterrupted streak of nonsense

I see what you think about disabled kids. You are sick.
Even if this child doesn’t have a disability, it’s clear they have trauma and no clear boundaries at home or at school. They need support and it’s clear that school does not know what to do. I was previously a special education teacher who now teachers general education, I have had a student who shattered a glass window by the door, I have had students throw items, and hit. Those students all stopped within a month. One took 2 months because it took me a while to get through to the parents.

In the meantime, I made sure NONE of my students got hurt and learning continued. It was difficult that first month but we got through it. The other students learned empathy and how to advocate for themselves as well.

The ‘chair thrower’ will not be leaving. You better ask the school what plan is in place and ask the teacher if they are actually able to follow the plan. Ask them what they are doing to ensure learning is continuing and how they are ensuring the safety of your child. If they cannot answer these simple questions fully the school isn’t actually doing much but running around like a chicken with its head cut off or seeing a fire and screaming ‘fire!’

Too bad. It’s a new world in 2025. You’re kidding yourself if you don’t think we will finally be able to get these violent kids out of the classrooms. The days of spending years to document are soon to be in the past.

You are funny. I am a teacher, are you? Definitely not if you think this.

You did not read what I said, just responded to respond.

I have never taught a student who I (with school supports) wasn’t able to turn it around so far. If ever I get a student like this it will be because the student unfortunately is mentally ill in a way a school cannot handle.

I’m not special, I just actually know my sh*t unlike most of these general education teachers who did not study disabilities or trauma. Or the ones who think being from a poor neighborhood means kids will listen to you.

Ps. I would rather teach kids who throw chairs, than ones who are ableist. Much harder to change. Hope you’re not instilling your hatred.

Great that you are one teacher who can help and I'm glad for the students who have you. But even you recognize certain students can't be handled by the school. What's your advice to parents who want to help the process along and get that mentally-ill child into a place where they stop traumatizing their own kid?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Threads like this pop up from time to time and are almost never productive or helpful - just filled with generalizations or hearsay that don't reflect the actual law, policies, or contexts that schools and families are working within. I wish Jeff would do more to moderate or remove them because they are ableist and often inaccurate.

Also, we're talking about a child in your school community who needs support - maybe use that framing instead of "chair thrower." It's not like there are one-size-fits-all spaces in self-contained classrooms or good special ed private schools for every student who would benefit from them.

The only good advice here is what a PP said about documenting and sharing with the teacher/principal factual info about the impact on your own child.

Whenever I see “ableist” used I just know there’s gonna be an uninterrupted streak of nonsense

I see what you think about disabled kids. You are sick.
Even if this child doesn’t have a disability, it’s clear they have trauma and no clear boundaries at home or at school. They need support and it’s clear that school does not know what to do. I was previously a special education teacher who now teachers general education, I have had a student who shattered a glass window by the door, I have had students throw items, and hit. Those students all stopped within a month. One took 2 months because it took me a while to get through to the parents.

In the meantime, I made sure NONE of my students got hurt and learning continued. It was difficult that first month but we got through it. The other students learned empathy and how to advocate for themselves as well.

The ‘chair thrower’ will not be leaving. You better ask the school what plan is in place and ask the teacher if they are actually able to follow the plan. Ask them what they are doing to ensure learning is continuing and how they are ensuring the safety of your child. If they cannot answer these simple questions fully the school isn’t actually doing much but running around like a chicken with its head cut off or seeing a fire and screaming ‘fire!’

It's scary for kids to be in a classroom with violent kids. You're bigger than the violent kids, but they're not. And it's not like there are violent/traumatized kids vs. everyone else: everyone has different stuff going on, but when kids aren't disruptive, it's assumed they're doing ok even if they're being strongly negatively affected.

Ha! I am 5’1. Most of the students are larger than me!

And why are you talking like I don’t know that? This is about high need students not others.

You regularly teach violent middle school or high school students and you have a 100% success rate?

No. At least one of these is false.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Threads like this pop up from time to time and are almost never productive or helpful - just filled with generalizations or hearsay that don't reflect the actual law, policies, or contexts that schools and families are working within. I wish Jeff would do more to moderate or remove them because they are ableist and often inaccurate.

Also, we're talking about a child in your school community who needs support - maybe use that framing instead of "chair thrower." It's not like there are one-size-fits-all spaces in self-contained classrooms or good special ed private schools for every student who would benefit from them.

The only good advice here is what a PP said about documenting and sharing with the teacher/principal factual info about the impact on your own child.

Whenever I see “ableist” used I just know there’s gonna be an uninterrupted streak of nonsense

I see what you think about disabled kids. You are sick.
Even if this child doesn’t have a disability, it’s clear they have trauma and no clear boundaries at home or at school. They need support and it’s clear that school does not know what to do. I was previously a special education teacher who now teachers general education, I have had a student who shattered a glass window by the door, I have had students throw items, and hit. Those students all stopped within a month. One took 2 months because it took me a while to get through to the parents.

In the meantime, I made sure NONE of my students got hurt and learning continued. It was difficult that first month but we got through it. The other students learned empathy and how to advocate for themselves as well.

The ‘chair thrower’ will not be leaving. You better ask the school what plan is in place and ask the teacher if they are actually able to follow the plan. Ask them what they are doing to ensure learning is continuing and how they are ensuring the safety of your child. If they cannot answer these simple questions fully the school isn’t actually doing much but running around like a chicken with its head cut off or seeing a fire and screaming ‘fire!’

Too bad. It’s a new world in 2025. You’re kidding yourself if you don’t think we will finally be able to get these violent kids out of the classrooms. The days of spending years to document are soon to be in the past.

You are funny. I am a teacher, are you? Definitely not if you think this.

You did not read what I said, just responded to respond.

I have never taught a student who I (with school supports) wasn’t able to turn it around so far. If ever I get a student like this it will be because the student unfortunately is mentally ill in a way a school cannot handle.

I’m not special, I just actually know my sh*t unlike most of these general education teachers who did not study disabilities or trauma. Or the ones who think being from a poor neighborhood means kids will listen to you.

Ps. I would rather teach kids who throw chairs, than ones who are ableist. Much harder to change. Hope you’re not instilling your hatred.

People like you are why I left teaching. You may be a savior, but asking the majority of teachers, admins and professionals to magically deal with aggressive, physical behavior.

I just saw an article in the The Atlantic about increasing academic expectations. Whether they have thee hutzpah to confront issues around inclusion remains to bee seen. If Americans want to improve education, removing violent kids has to be a priority.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you really want to know, it's when the school has done all the paperwork to get the city to fund a 1:1 aide and then that doesn't work and then get a spot in a self-contained classroom or private school placement. So it's a long process, and the process basically involves convincing the city that it's necessary to agree to something expensive.

Teacher here. This is.correct.

What, if anything, can parents do to help beyond reporting each incident that affects their own kid (either through physical violence or fear/trauma)?

I know of a situation where DCPS got the kid a 1:1 aid, then self contained classroom and then moved to a special school for their issues. I won’t get into much detail but I will say that parent involvement was a part of this. Demand a meeting with your Superintendent and rally the parents. It was framed more as getting the child the proper supports in place so that EVERYONE could have a safe learning experience.

I have also seen another situation where the kid found their place in middle school - got involved with sports, made friends, and totally mellowed out. I heard they are a totally different kid now.