When does the chair thrower have to leave school?

[Anonymous]

Seriously, how bad does it have to get? Have you seen this end with a violent child ever being removed from the classroom permanently? There is a kid at my DC's ES this year that is by far the worst I've ever heard about (hitting teachers and students, destroying property, being incredibly cruel to any kid he encounters) and is derailing everything for everyone else.

[Anonymous]

That’s terrible.

[Anonymous]

It’s going to take several interventions and documentation from the teacher and the school as well as communication and cooperation from parents. You have a better chance of success asking for your child to be moved to a different class.

[Anonymous]

Years later to never is the unfortunately the answer.

We pulled our kid around this time last year because it was so bad, similar to what yoh describe. Our kid started refusing to go to school saying they don’t learn anything and don’t want to get hurt, see their classmates hurt or/and the teacher hurt. They were moody and irritable most days after school. Luckily there was space in our local parochial school and they started there in November.

We kept our other child at the public school because their classmates were great and that child was having a really good experience. So I still hear that really disruptive student is still in general education. At least two more students left to other schools and their parents told me they regretted waiting so long to pull their kids out.

[Anonymous]

If its a smaller school with not many classes per grade you may want to consider switching schools. Its sad but true. In the best case, the child is assigned a full time aid. But there is a lot of process to get to that point and it may not be possible.

[Anonymous]

In the last ten years, central offices have decided that it's cheaper and easier for them to ignore a severe child in an inappropriate placement and simply wait for the parent to file a state complaint or initiate a due process hearing before taking action.

[Anonymous]

If you really want to know, it's when the school has done all the paperwork to get the city to fund a 1:1 aide and then that doesn't work and then get a spot in a self-contained classroom or private school placement. So it's a long process, and the process basically involves convincing the city that it's necessary to agree to something expensive.

[Anonymous]

At my DC's elementary, the chair thrower was moved temporarily into the SpEd classroom for a couple months but was back in my kid's classroom by the end of the year, where the disruption and aggression continued.

We are no longer at that elementary. Unfortunately, because DCPS refuses to prioritize the safety and learning environment for other students (and teachers) as much as they prioritize the needs of the disruptive students, it just pushes parents to seek out schools with fewer disruptive kids, which often means fewer at risk kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:At my DC's elementary, the chair thrower was moved temporarily into the SpEd classroom for a couple months but was back in my kid's classroom by the end of the year, where the disruption and aggression continued.

We are no longer at that elementary. Unfortunately, because DCPS refuses to prioritize the safety and learning environment for other students (and teachers) as much as they prioritize the needs of the disruptive students, it just pushes parents to seek out schools with fewer disruptive kids, which often means fewer at risk kids.

This is basically every public school district now, not just DCPS

[Anonymous]

At our charter, it took a full school year before the student was removed and now attends a specialized school.

[Anonymous]

Threads like this pop up from time to time and are almost never productive or helpful - just filled with generalizations or hearsay that don't reflect the actual law, policies, or contexts that schools and families are working within. I wish Jeff would do more to moderate or remove them because they are ableist and often inaccurate.

Also, we're talking about a child in your school community who needs support - maybe use that framing instead of "chair thrower." It's not like there are one-size-fits-all spaces in self-contained classrooms or good special ed private schools for every student who would benefit from them.

The only good advice here is what a PP said about documenting and sharing with the teacher/principal factual info about the impact on your own child.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Threads like this pop up from time to time and are almost never productive or helpful - just filled with generalizations or hearsay that don't reflect the actual law, policies, or contexts that schools and families are working within. I wish Jeff would do more to moderate or remove them because they are ableist and often inaccurate.

Also, we're talking about a child in your school community who needs support - maybe use that framing instead of "chair thrower." It's not like there are one-size-fits-all spaces in self-contained classrooms or good special ed private schools for every student who would benefit from them.

The only good advice here is what a PP said about documenting and sharing with the teacher/principal factual info about the impact on your own child.

Whenever I see “ableist” used I just know there’s gonna be an uninterrupted streak of nonsense

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Threads like this pop up from time to time and are almost never productive or helpful - just filled with generalizations or hearsay that don't reflect the actual law, policies, or contexts that schools and families are working within. I wish Jeff would do more to moderate or remove them because they are ableist and often inaccurate.

Also, we're talking about a child in your school community who needs support - maybe use that framing instead of "chair thrower." It's not like there are one-size-fits-all spaces in self-contained classrooms or good special ed private schools for every student who would benefit from them.

The only good advice here is what a PP said about documenting and sharing with the teacher/principal factual info about the impact on your own child.

Whenever I see “ableist” used I just know there’s gonna be an uninterrupted streak of nonsense

“Ableist” chair thrower…

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Threads like this pop up from time to time and are almost never productive or helpful - just filled with generalizations or hearsay that don't reflect the actual law, policies, or contexts that schools and families are working within. I wish Jeff would do more to moderate or remove them because they are ableist and often inaccurate.

Also, we're talking about a child in your school community who needs support - maybe use that framing instead of "chair thrower." It's not like there are one-size-fits-all spaces in self-contained classrooms or good special ed private schools for every student who would benefit from them.

The only good advice here is what a PP said about documenting and sharing with the teacher/principal factual info about the impact on your own child.

Schools are not medical facilities. Teachers are not psychiatrists. Forcing them to try to act like it is not helpful to the disrupting child or their classmates or public school in general. It will erode staff and student attendance completely. It serves no greater good and undermines a very important public institution. Think through the consequences.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Threads like this pop up from time to time and are almost never productive or helpful - just filled with generalizations or hearsay that don't reflect the actual law, policies, or contexts that schools and families are working within. I wish Jeff would do more to moderate or remove them because they are ableist and often inaccurate.

Also, we're talking about a child in your school community who needs support - maybe use that framing instead of "chair thrower." It's not like there are one-size-fits-all spaces in self-contained classrooms or good special ed private schools for every student who would benefit from them.

The only good advice here is what a PP said about documenting and sharing with the teacher/principal factual info about the impact on your own child.

Schools are not medical facilities. Teachers are not psychiatrists. Forcing them to try to act like it is not helpful to the disrupting child or their classmates or public school in general. It will erode staff and student attendance completely. It serves no greater good and undermines a very important public institution. Think through the consequences.

Yes - we’ve gotten to the point where the majority is regularly screwed and we must accept it because only children with certain designations matter.