When does the chair thrower have to leave school?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think sometimes parents of really smart and well-behaved kids have difficulty seeing the full picture with respect to a problem child. Is the other child a 5th grader or something more like a 1st grader? Does the other child occasionally have full-on sensory-related fight or flight meltdowns? Is the classroom teacher somewhat inexperienced and not the absolute best at maintaining calm routines and expectations? If the child is younger, this type of behavior can be outgrown.

First of all, the "full picture" has to include the experiences of other kids in the classroom. Why do you ONLY care about the full picture on the kid with issues and don't seem to care at all about the child sitting next to him who is just trying to learn and not being allowed to do so thanks to chair throwing and other violent outbursts? What does it take to get you to give a damn about that kid at the next desk?

THIS! Sick of lecturing from these parents about how I am supposed to consider only their kids' needs while discounting the impact to all the other kids.

Your special, violent kid has a right to an education. It doesn't have a right to be violent and disrupt my kid or anyone else's kids sense of safety or security. If this bothers you I DON"T CARE. Parents who support having violence in the classroom haven't yet had their kids be the victims of violence or harassment.

Serious question: Would those of you defending violence in the classroom feel the same if kids were engaging in behaviors of a sexual nature? Would you tell your daughters that they need to accept seeing a certain amount of harassing behavior because those kids are special? What's the message? Are you ok sending your kids into the world with an understanding that sometimes they need to accept or be subjected to violence in support of other's special needs? Wonder how many of these defenders of violent kids also lecture their kids about Me Too and "no means no". I guess that only applies outside the classroom, right?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think sometimes parents of really smart and well-behaved kids have difficulty seeing the full picture with respect to a problem child. Is the other child a 5th grader or something more like a 1st grader? Does the other child occasionally have full-on sensory-related fight or flight meltdowns? Is the classroom teacher somewhat inexperienced and not the absolute best at maintaining calm routines and expectations? If the child is younger, this type of behavior can be outgrown.

First of all, the "full picture" has to include the experiences of other kids in the classroom. Why do you ONLY care about the full picture on the kid with issues and don't seem to care at all about the child sitting next to him who is just trying to learn and not being allowed to do so thanks to chair throwing and other violent outbursts? What does it take to get you to give a damn about that kid at the next desk?

THIS! Sick of lecturing from these parents about how I am supposed to consider only their kids' needs while discounting the impact to all the other kids.

Your special, violent kid has a right to an education. It doesn't have a right to be violent and disrupt my kid or anyone else's kids sense of safety or security. If this bothers you I DON"T CARE. Parents who support having violence in the classroom haven't yet had their kids be the victims of violence or harassment.

Serious question: Would those of you defending violence in the classroom feel the same if kids were engaging in behaviors of a sexual nature? Would you tell your daughters that they need to accept seeing a certain amount of harassing behavior because those kids are special? What's the message? Are you ok sending your kids into the world with an understanding that sometimes they need to accept or be subjected to violence in support of other's special needs? Wonder how many of these defenders of violent kids also lecture their kids about Me Too and "no means no". I guess that only applies outside the classroom, right?

Referring to a child as "it" is dehumanizing and beyond the pale.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Seriously, how bad does it have to get? Have you seen this end with a violent child ever being removed from the classroom permanently? There is a kid at my DC's ES this year that is by far the worst I've ever heard about (hitting teachers and students, destroying property, being incredibly cruel to any kid he encounters) and is derailing everything for everyone else.

If the child has an IEP, it is next to impossible. It is easier to get your child moved and you want to do it as fast as possible because there will be a limited number of students that admin will allow to transfer classes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think sometimes parents of really smart and well-behaved kids have difficulty seeing the full picture with respect to a problem child. Is the other child a 5th grader or something more like a 1st grader? Does the other child occasionally have full-on sensory-related fight or flight meltdowns? Is the classroom teacher somewhat inexperienced and not the absolute best at maintaining calm routines and expectations? If the child is younger, this type of behavior can be outgrown.

First of all, the "full picture" has to include the experiences of other kids in the classroom. Why do you ONLY care about the full picture on the kid with issues and don't seem to care at all about the child sitting next to him who is just trying to learn and not being allowed to do so thanks to chair throwing and other violent outbursts? What does it take to get you to give a damn about that kid at the next desk?

THIS! Sick of lecturing from these parents about how I am supposed to consider only their kids' needs while discounting the impact to all the other kids.

Your special, violent kid has a right to an education. It doesn't have a right to be violent and disrupt my kid or anyone else's kids sense of safety or security. If this bothers you I DON"T CARE. Parents who support having violence in the classroom haven't yet had their kids be the victims of violence or harassment.

Serious question: Would those of you defending violence in the classroom feel the same if kids were engaging in behaviors of a sexual nature? Would you tell your daughters that they need to accept seeing a certain amount of harassing behavior because those kids are special? What's the message? Are you ok sending your kids into the world with an understanding that sometimes they need to accept or be subjected to violence in support of other's special needs? Wonder how many of these defenders of violent kids also lecture their kids about Me Too and "no means no". I guess that only applies outside the classroom, right?

The violent kid in my daughter’s 2nd grade class liked to touch girls’ leggings and tights. And then masturbate/touch himself. The mom actually told us girl moms that it was no big deal that her son touched our girls tights and that he needed to. I ripped her a new one. I’m still spitting mad about that one. How dare her!!! What the heck is wrong with schools these days and parents?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think sometimes parents of really smart and well-behaved kids have difficulty seeing the full picture with respect to a problem child. Is the other child a 5th grader or something more like a 1st grader? Does the other child occasionally have full-on sensory-related fight or flight meltdowns? Is the classroom teacher somewhat inexperienced and not the absolute best at maintaining calm routines and expectations? If the child is younger, this type of behavior can be outgrown.

First of all, the "full picture" has to include the experiences of other kids in the classroom. Why do you ONLY care about the full picture on the kid with issues and don't seem to care at all about the child sitting next to him who is just trying to learn and not being allowed to do so thanks to chair throwing and other violent outbursts? What does it take to get you to give a damn about that kid at the next desk?

THIS! Sick of lecturing from these parents about how I am supposed to consider only their kids' needs while discounting the impact to all the other kids.

Your special, violent kid has a right to an education. It doesn't have a right to be violent and disrupt my kid or anyone else's kids sense of safety or security. If this bothers you I DON"T CARE. Parents who support having violence in the classroom haven't yet had their kids be the victims of violence or harassment.

Serious question: Would those of you defending violence in the classroom feel the same if kids were engaging in behaviors of a sexual nature? Would you tell your daughters that they need to accept seeing a certain amount of harassing behavior because those kids are special? What's the message? Are you ok sending your kids into the world with an understanding that sometimes they need to accept or be subjected to violence in support of other's special needs? Wonder how many of these defenders of violent kids also lecture their kids about Me Too and "no means no". I guess that only applies outside the classroom, right?

Referring to a child as "it" is dehumanizing and beyond the pale.

It’s dehumanizing to get hit with a chair and have to listen to screaming. It’s actually traumatizing.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Threads like this pop up from time to time and are almost never productive or helpful - just filled with generalizations or hearsay that don't reflect the actual law, policies, or contexts that schools and families are working within. I wish Jeff would do more to moderate or remove them because they are ableist and often inaccurate.

Also, we're talking about a child in your school community who needs support - maybe use that framing instead of "chair thrower." It's not like there are one-size-fits-all spaces in self-contained classrooms or good special ed private schools for every student who would benefit from them.

The only good advice here is what a PP said about documenting and sharing with the teacher/principal factual info about the impact on your own child.

Whenever I see “ableist” used I just know there’s gonna be an uninterrupted streak of nonsense

I see what you think about disabled kids. You are sick.
Even if this child doesn’t have a disability, it’s clear they have trauma and no clear boundaries at home or at school. They need support and it’s clear that school does not know what to do. I was previously a special education teacher who now teachers general education, I have had a student who shattered a glass window by the door, I have had students throw items, and hit. Those students all stopped within a month. One took 2 months because it took me a while to get through to the parents.

In the meantime, I made sure NONE of my students got hurt and learning continued. It was difficult that first month but we got through it. The other students learned empathy and how to advocate for themselves as well.

The ‘chair thrower’ will not be leaving. You better ask the school what plan is in place and ask the teacher if they are actually able to follow the plan. Ask them what they are doing to ensure learning is continuing and how they are ensuring the safety of your child. If they cannot answer these simple questions fully the school isn’t actually doing much but running around like a chicken with its head cut off or seeing a fire and screaming ‘fire!’

Too bad. It’s a new world in 2025. You’re kidding yourself if you don’t think we will finally be able to get these violent kids out of the classrooms. The days of spending years to document are soon to be in the past.

Another ignoramus. All children have a right to education in this country and children with disabilities will not be thrown out of schools like you think.

Dealing with a chair throwing now (or more correctly he’s a bookcase thrower). He isn’t disabled and has no special needs. His scores are actually better than the class average. Why does everyone keep acting like these kids are disabled kids that we’re picking on? I think they fall in two categories usually- kids who are being physically abused at home and kids who have zero discipline at home.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Ask DCPS. They refuse to provide the kinds of interventions and services needed, even if the parents beg for it. Ask me how I know!

Then pay for it yourself? My kid is unable to learn in such a classroom and I have to pay for tutoring to keep them on grade level.

[Anonymous]

You are talking about a second grader. I somewhat suspect that it was probably the classroom girls making it out to be a big weird drama thing by claiming to each other that the boy was touching himself.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Threads like this pop up from time to time and are almost never productive or helpful - just filled with generalizations or hearsay that don't reflect the actual law, policies, or contexts that schools and families are working within. I wish Jeff would do more to moderate or remove them because they are ableist and often inaccurate.

Also, we're talking about a child in your school community who needs support - maybe use that framing instead of "chair thrower." It's not like there are one-size-fits-all spaces in self-contained classrooms or good special ed private schools for every student who would benefit from them.

The only good advice here is what a PP said about documenting and sharing with the teacher/principal factual info about the impact on your own child.

Whenever I see “ableist” used I just know there’s gonna be an uninterrupted streak of nonsense

+1,000,000

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You are talking about a second grader. I somewhat suspect that it was probably the classroom girls making it out to be a big weird drama thing by claiming to each other that the boy was touching himself.

Yeah, they were probably asking for it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Threads like this pop up from time to time and are almost never productive or helpful - just filled with generalizations or hearsay that don't reflect the actual law, policies, or contexts that schools and families are working within. I wish Jeff would do more to moderate or remove them because they are ableist and often inaccurate.

Also, we're talking about a child in your school community who needs support - maybe use that framing instead of "chair thrower." It's not like there are one-size-fits-all spaces in self-contained classrooms or good special ed private schools for every student who would benefit from them.

The only good advice here is what a PP said about documenting and sharing with the teacher/principal factual info about the impact on your own child.

Too bad. One throw and the child should be removed from the classroom for the rest of the year.

This. Zero tolerance for violence. Period.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We have a chair thrower as president and a lot of the country is tolerating it. A lot of people didn’t vote for him or didn’t vote, but these convos are often terribly disingenuous.

How can we expect children to behave when there’s a toddler throwing tantrums every day at the White House?

I bet there’s a lot of crossover between people who want to see this boy punished and not work to help him with people who think it’s NBD for Trump to bully and tear down half the country (or class).

We have to decide what are values are.

Nope. I’m one of the people you’re talking about. Lifelong Democrat voter for federal office. *One* Republican vote for a local office in my entire life. And I’m GenX, so that’s plenty of elections. Sorry, try again.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Threads like this pop up from time to time and are almost never productive or helpful - just filled with generalizations or hearsay that don't reflect the actual law, policies, or contexts that schools and families are working within. I wish Jeff would do more to moderate or remove them because they are ableist and often inaccurate.

Also, we're talking about a child in your school community who needs support - maybe use that framing instead of "chair thrower." It's not like there are one-size-fits-all spaces in self-contained classrooms or good special ed private schools for every student who would benefit from them.

The only good advice here is what a PP said about documenting and sharing with the teacher/principal factual info about the impact on your own child.

Whenever I see “ableist” used I just know there’s gonna be an uninterrupted streak of nonsense

I see what you think about disabled kids. You are sick.
Even if this child doesn’t have a disability, it’s clear they have trauma and no clear boundaries at home or at school. They need support and it’s clear that school does not know what to do. I was previously a special education teacher who now teachers general education, I have had a student who shattered a glass window by the door, I have had students throw items, and hit. Those students all stopped within a month. One took 2 months because it took me a while to get through to the parents.

In the meantime, I made sure NONE of my students got hurt and learning continued. It was difficult that first month but we got through it. The other students learned empathy and how to advocate for themselves as well.

The ‘chair thrower’ will not be leaving. You better ask the school what plan is in place and ask the teacher if they are actually able to follow the plan. Ask them what they are doing to ensure learning is continuing and how they are ensuring the safety of your child. If they cannot answer these simple questions fully the school isn’t actually doing much but running around like a chicken with its head cut off or seeing a fire and screaming ‘fire!’

Keep thinking that. People are FED UP. Laws can change.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Threads like this pop up from time to time and are almost never productive or helpful - just filled with generalizations or hearsay that don't reflect the actual law, policies, or contexts that schools and families are working within. I wish Jeff would do more to moderate or remove them because they are ableist and often inaccurate.

Also, we're talking about a child in your school community who needs support - maybe use that framing instead of "chair thrower." It's not like there are one-size-fits-all spaces in self-contained classrooms or good special ed private schools for every student who would benefit from them.

The only good advice here is what a PP said about documenting and sharing with the teacher/principal factual info about the impact on your own child.

Whenever I see “ableist” used I just know there’s gonna be an uninterrupted streak of nonsense

I'm not the prior poster, but you are so full of shite. You are clearly ignorant. Did you graduate from high school?

Stop with the “shite.” You sound ridiculous. You aren’t British (no, don’t lie because it’s an anonymous message board. You aren’t).

[Anonymous]

Why don’t schools with violent kids bolt down the furniture and remove sharp objects that can be weapons, like they do in prisons?