When does the chair thrower have to leave school?

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A war is being waged on our children and we are defenseless before the might of the IEP and 504!

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Anonymous wrote:i cannot believe someone is comparing schools with children to for-profit-corporations

Wait, I'm confused. Protections for workers against injuries on the job--that's a for profit corporation thing now? Huh.

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Anonymous wrote:Threads like this pop up from time to time and are almost never productive or helpful - just filled with generalizations or hearsay that don't reflect the actual law, policies, or contexts that schools and families are working within. I wish Jeff would do more to moderate or remove them because they are ableist and often inaccurate.

Also, we're talking about a child in your school community who needs support - maybe use that framing instead of "chair thrower." It's not like there are one-size-fits-all spaces in self-contained classrooms or good special ed private schools for every student who would benefit from them.

The only good advice here is what a PP said about documenting and sharing with the teacher/principal factual info about the impact on your own child.

Whenever I see “ableist” used I just know there’s gonna be an uninterrupted streak of nonsense

I see what you think about disabled kids. You are sick.
Even if this child doesn’t have a disability, it’s clear they have trauma and no clear boundaries at home or at school. They need support and it’s clear that school does not know what to do. I was previously a special education teacher who now teachers general education, I have had a student who shattered a glass window by the door, I have had students throw items, and hit. Those students all stopped within a month. One took 2 months because it took me a while to get through to the parents.

In the meantime, I made sure NONE of my students got hurt and learning continued. It was difficult that first month but we got through it. The other students learned empathy and how to advocate for themselves as well.

The ‘chair thrower’ will not be leaving. You better ask the school what plan is in place and ask the teacher if they are actually able to follow the plan. Ask them what they are doing to ensure learning is continuing and how they are ensuring the safety of your child. If they cannot answer these simple questions fully the school isn’t actually doing much but running around like a chicken with its head cut off or seeing a fire and screaming ‘fire!’

Too bad. It’s a new world in 2025. You’re kidding yourself if you don’t think we will finally be able to get these violent kids out of the classrooms. The days of spending years to document are soon to be in the past.

You are funny. I am a teacher, are you? Definitely not if you think this.

You did not read what I said, just responded to respond.

I have never taught a student who I (with school supports) wasn’t able to turn it around so far. If ever I get a student like this it will be because the student unfortunately is mentally ill in a way a school cannot handle.

I’m not special, I just actually know my sh*t unlike most of these general education teachers who did not study disabilities or trauma. Or the ones who think being from a poor neighborhood means kids will listen to you.

Ps. I would rather teach kids who throw chairs, than ones who are ableist. Much harder to change. Hope you’re not instilling your hatred.

I’m happy to believe that many of these kids can turn it around with the right supports, and delighted for them to do so. But I don’t see the logic in having them in a big class with lots of other kids to target while they get to that point. Seems like they should start in a more self-contained environment and join a bigger class only after they’ve made it over the hump at least on violence (letting along other disruptions).

Pp here.
So you think kids with disabilities in a smaller class ‘deserve’ to have disruptions? I have also taught self-contained (for 6 years). Some years it would be a single student doing things like throwing chairs. Self contained does not mean dangerous behaviors.

And when they start in self-contained they almost never leave, even if they are ready.

Also, I have already said this but I’ll say it again. Sometimes the one ‘throwing chairs’ does NOT have a disability, so please tell me how they will be placed in self-contained?

These kids can absolutely turn it around, DCPS needs to do a better job. Why shouldn’t every classroom have an assistant and ECE have 2 assistants? Why shouldn’t PARENTS be required to be part of their child’s behavior plan? Why remove the student only to give them candy and have them return right away?

I hear people, I am not advocating to ignore such behavior or that the other kids don’t matter. But I am confused why you want a 3-18 year old children to have such adult consequences? Why not hold DCPS to a higher standard? Why punish the child?

You are viewing this as punishment, versus allowing hundreds if not thousands of students to learn without fear or harm.

If a student, no matter their age, is disruptive and violent towards others, they need to be removed. Indefinitely if necessary. I make no apologies for this opinion.

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Anonymous wrote:Threads like this pop up from time to time and are almost never productive or helpful - just filled with generalizations or hearsay that don't reflect the actual law, policies, or contexts that schools and families are working within. I wish Jeff would do more to moderate or remove them because they are ableist and often inaccurate.

Also, we're talking about a child in your school community who needs support - maybe use that framing instead of "chair thrower." It's not like there are one-size-fits-all spaces in self-contained classrooms or good special ed private schools for every student who would benefit from them.

The only good advice here is what a PP said about documenting and sharing with the teacher/principal factual info about the impact on your own child.

Whenever I see “ableist” used I just know there’s gonna be an uninterrupted streak of nonsense

I see what you think about disabled kids. You are sick.
Even if this child doesn’t have a disability, it’s clear they have trauma and no clear boundaries at home or at school. They need support and it’s clear that school does not know what to do. I was previously a special education teacher who now teachers general education, I have had a student who shattered a glass window by the door, I have had students throw items, and hit. Those students all stopped within a month. One took 2 months because it took me a while to get through to the parents.

In the meantime, I made sure NONE of my students got hurt and learning continued. It was difficult that first month but we got through it. The other students learned empathy and how to advocate for themselves as well.

The ‘chair thrower’ will not be leaving. You better ask the school what plan is in place and ask the teacher if they are actually able to follow the plan. Ask them what they are doing to ensure learning is continuing and how they are ensuring the safety of your child. If they cannot answer these simple questions fully the school isn’t actually doing much but running around like a chicken with its head cut off or seeing a fire and screaming ‘fire!’

Too bad. It’s a new world in 2025. You’re kidding yourself if you don’t think we will finally be able to get these violent kids out of the classrooms. The days of spending years to document are soon to be in the past.

You are funny. I am a teacher, are you? Definitely not if you think this.

You did not read what I said, just responded to respond.

I have never taught a student who I (with school supports) wasn’t able to turn it around so far. If ever I get a student like this it will be because the student unfortunately is mentally ill in a way a school cannot handle.

I’m not special, I just actually know my sh*t unlike most of these general education teachers who did not study disabilities or trauma. Or the ones who think being from a poor neighborhood means kids will listen to you.

Ps. I would rather teach kids who throw chairs, than ones who are ableist. Much harder to change. Hope you’re not instilling your hatred.

I’m happy to believe that many of these kids can turn it around with the right supports, and delighted for them to do so. But I don’t see the logic in having them in a big class with lots of other kids to target while they get to that point. Seems like they should start in a more self-contained environment and join a bigger class only after they’ve made it over the hump at least on violence (letting along other disruptions).

Pp here.
So you think kids with disabilities in a smaller class ‘deserve’ to have disruptions? I have also taught self-contained (for 6 years). Some years it would be a single student doing things like throwing chairs. Self contained does not mean dangerous behaviors.

And when they start in self-contained they almost never leave, even if they are ready.

Also, I have already said this but I’ll say it again. Sometimes the one ‘throwing chairs’ does NOT have a disability, so please tell me how they will be placed in self-contained?

These kids can absolutely turn it around, DCPS needs to do a better job. Why shouldn’t every classroom have an assistant and ECE have 2 assistants? Why shouldn’t PARENTS be required to be part of their child’s behavior plan? Why remove the student only to give them candy and have them return right away?

I hear people, I am not advocating to ignore such behavior or that the other kids don’t matter. But I am confused why you want a 3-18 year old children to have such adult consequences? Why not hold DCPS to a higher standard? Why punish the child?

You are viewing this as punishment, versus allowing hundreds if not thousands of students to learn without fear or harm.

If a student, no matter their age, is disruptive and violent towards others, they need to be removed. Indefinitely if necessary. I make no apologies for this opinion.

Thankfully, most disabled students are not violent (or particularly disruptive), but for the narrow subset that are, we should seriously consider removal from the mainstream classroom.

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Anonymous wrote:Threads like this pop up from time to time and are almost never productive or helpful - just filled with generalizations or hearsay that don't reflect the actual law, policies, or contexts that schools and families are working within. I wish Jeff would do more to moderate or remove them because they are ableist and often inaccurate.

Also, we're talking about a child in your school community who needs support - maybe use that framing instead of "chair thrower." It's not like there are one-size-fits-all spaces in self-contained classrooms or good special ed private schools for every student who would benefit from them.

The only good advice here is what a PP said about documenting and sharing with the teacher/principal factual info about the impact on your own child.

NP. My kids have special needs and I’m very sensitive to this poor kid. but the reality is when you see your kid shaking every morning, worried that today is the day they’ll be attacked you’ll feel differently.

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Anonymous wrote:Threads like this pop up from time to time and are almost never productive or helpful - just filled with generalizations or hearsay that don't reflect the actual law, policies, or contexts that schools and families are working within. I wish Jeff would do more to moderate or remove them because they are ableist and often inaccurate.

Also, we're talking about a child in your school community who needs support - maybe use that framing instead of "chair thrower." It's not like there are one-size-fits-all spaces in self-contained classrooms or good special ed private schools for every student who would benefit from them.

The only good advice here is what a PP said about documenting and sharing with the teacher/principal factual info about the impact on your own child.

Whenever I see “ableist” used I just know there’s gonna be an uninterrupted streak of nonsense

I see what you think about disabled kids. You are sick.
Even if this child doesn’t have a disability, it’s clear they have trauma and no clear boundaries at home or at school. They need support and it’s clear that school does not know what to do. I was previously a special education teacher who now teachers general education, I have had a student who shattered a glass window by the door, I have had students throw items, and hit. Those students all stopped within a month. One took 2 months because it took me a while to get through to the parents.

In the meantime, I made sure NONE of my students got hurt and learning continued. It was difficult that first month but we got through it. The other students learned empathy and how to advocate for themselves as well.

The ‘chair thrower’ will not be leaving. You better ask the school what plan is in place and ask the teacher if they are actually able to follow the plan. Ask them what they are doing to ensure learning is continuing and how they are ensuring the safety of your child. If they cannot answer these simple questions fully the school isn’t actually doing much but running around like a chicken with its head cut off or seeing a fire and screaming ‘fire!’

Too bad. It’s a new world in 2025. You’re kidding yourself if you don’t think we will finally be able to get these violent kids out of the classrooms. The days of spending years to document are soon to be in the past.

You are funny. I am a teacher, are you? Definitely not if you think this.

You did not read what I said, just responded to respond.

I have never taught a student who I (with school supports) wasn’t able to turn it around so far. If ever I get a student like this it will be because the student unfortunately is mentally ill in a way a school cannot handle.

I’m not special, I just actually know my sh*t unlike most of these general education teachers who did not study disabilities or trauma. Or the ones who think being from a poor neighborhood means kids will listen to you.

Ps. I would rather teach kids who throw chairs, than ones who are ableist. Much harder to change. Hope you’re not instilling your hatred.

I’m happy to believe that many of these kids can turn it around with the right supports, and delighted for them to do so. But I don’t see the logic in having them in a big class with lots of other kids to target while they get to that point. Seems like they should start in a more self-contained environment and join a bigger class only after they’ve made it over the hump at least on violence (letting along other disruptions).

Pp here.
So you think kids with disabilities in a smaller class ‘deserve’ to have disruptions? I have also taught self-contained (for 6 years). Some years it would be a single student doing things like throwing chairs. Self contained does not mean dangerous behaviors.

And when they start in self-contained they almost never leave, even if they are ready.

Also, I have already said this but I’ll say it again. Sometimes the one ‘throwing chairs’ does NOT have a disability, so please tell me how they will be placed in self-contained?

These kids can absolutely turn it around, DCPS needs to do a better job. Why shouldn’t every classroom have an assistant and ECE have 2 assistants? Why shouldn’t PARENTS be required to be part of their child’s behavior plan? Why remove the student only to give them candy and have them return right away?

I hear people, I am not advocating to ignore such behavior or that the other kids don’t matter. But I am confused why you want a 3-18 year old children to have such adult consequences? Why not hold DCPS to a higher standard? Why punish the child?

You are viewing this as punishment, versus allowing hundreds if not thousands of students to learn without fear or harm.

If a student, no matter their age, is disruptive and violent towards others, they need to be removed. Indefinitely if necessary. I make no apologies for this opinion.

Thankfully, most disabled students are not violent (or particularly disruptive), but for the narrow subset that are, we should seriously consider removal from the mainstream classroom.

Any chair thrower needs to be removed. We need to stop conflating violence in the classroom with those with a disability. Yes, some children will have disabilities but not all violent children have a disability.

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Anonymous wrote:Threads like this pop up from time to time and are almost never productive or helpful - just filled with generalizations or hearsay that don't reflect the actual law, policies, or contexts that schools and families are working within. I wish Jeff would do more to moderate or remove them because they are ableist and often inaccurate.

Also, we're talking about a child in your school community who needs support - maybe use that framing instead of "chair thrower." It's not like there are one-size-fits-all spaces in self-contained classrooms or good special ed private schools for every student who would benefit from them.

The only good advice here is what a PP said about documenting and sharing with the teacher/principal factual info about the impact on your own child.

Whenever I see “ableist” used I just know there’s gonna be an uninterrupted streak of nonsense

I see what you think about disabled kids. You are sick.
Even if this child doesn’t have a disability, it’s clear they have trauma and no clear boundaries at home or at school. They need support and it’s clear that school does not know what to do. I was previously a special education teacher who now teachers general education, I have had a student who shattered a glass window by the door, I have had students throw items, and hit. Those students all stopped within a month. One took 2 months because it took me a while to get through to the parents.

In the meantime, I made sure NONE of my students got hurt and learning continued. It was difficult that first month but we got through it. The other students learned empathy and how to advocate for themselves as well.

The ‘chair thrower’ will not be leaving. You better ask the school what plan is in place and ask the teacher if they are actually able to follow the plan. Ask them what they are doing to ensure learning is continuing and how they are ensuring the safety of your child. If they cannot answer these simple questions fully the school isn’t actually doing much but running around like a chicken with its head cut off or seeing a fire and screaming ‘fire!’

Too bad. It’s a new world in 2025. You’re kidding yourself if you don’t think we will finally be able to get these violent kids out of the classrooms. The days of spending years to document are soon to be in the past.

You are funny. I am a teacher, are you? Definitely not if you think this.

You did not read what I said, just responded to respond.

I have never taught a student who I (with school supports) wasn’t able to turn it around so far. If ever I get a student like this it will be because the student unfortunately is mentally ill in a way a school cannot handle.

I’m not special, I just actually know my sh*t unlike most of these general education teachers who did not study disabilities or trauma. Or the ones who think being from a poor neighborhood means kids will listen to you.

Ps. I would rather teach kids who throw chairs, than ones who are ableist. Much harder to change. Hope you’re not instilling your hatred.

I’m happy to believe that many of these kids can turn it around with the right supports, and delighted for them to do so. But I don’t see the logic in having them in a big class with lots of other kids to target while they get to that point. Seems like they should start in a more self-contained environment and join a bigger class only after they’ve made it over the hump at least on violence (letting along other disruptions).

Pp here.
So you think kids with disabilities in a smaller class ‘deserve’ to have disruptions? I have also taught self-contained (for 6 years). Some years it would be a single student doing things like throwing chairs. Self contained does not mean dangerous behaviors.

And when they start in self-contained they almost never leave, even if they are ready.

Also, I have already said this but I’ll say it again. Sometimes the one ‘throwing chairs’ does NOT have a disability, so please tell me how they will be placed in self-contained?

These kids can absolutely turn it around, DCPS needs to do a better job. Why shouldn’t every classroom have an assistant and ECE have 2 assistants? Why shouldn’t PARENTS be required to be part of their child’s behavior plan? Why remove the student only to give them candy and have them return right away?

I hear people, I am not advocating to ignore such behavior or that the other kids don’t matter. But I am confused why you want a 3-18 year old children to have such adult consequences? Why not hold DCPS to a higher standard? Why punish the child?

You are viewing this as punishment, versus allowing hundreds if not thousands of students to learn without fear or harm.

If a student, no matter their age, is disruptive and violent towards others, they need to be removed. Indefinitely if necessary. I make no apologies for this opinion.

Thankfully, most disabled students are not violent (or particularly disruptive), but for the narrow subset that are, we should seriously consider removal from the mainstream classroom.

Any chair thrower needs to be removed. We need to stop conflating violence in the classroom with those with a disability. Yes, some children will have disabilities but not all violent children have a disability.

The Chair thrower in my kid’s 2nd grade classroom didn’t have a diagnosis because his parents (UMC) refused to get him evaluated. I will say that a concerted effort of documentation from the class + teacher led to appropriate intervention that improved the situation enormously.

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Anonymous wrote:Threads like this pop up from time to time and are almost never productive or helpful - just filled with generalizations or hearsay that don't reflect the actual law, policies, or contexts that schools and families are working within. I wish Jeff would do more to moderate or remove them because they are ableist and often inaccurate.

Also, we're talking about a child in your school community who needs support - maybe use that framing instead of "chair thrower." It's not like there are one-size-fits-all spaces in self-contained classrooms or good special ed private schools for every student who would benefit from them.

The only good advice here is what a PP said about documenting and sharing with the teacher/principal factual info about the impact on your own child.

Whenever I see “ableist” used I just know there’s gonna be an uninterrupted streak of nonsense

I see what you think about disabled kids. You are sick.
Even if this child doesn’t have a disability, it’s clear they have trauma and no clear boundaries at home or at school. They need support and it’s clear that school does not know what to do. I was previously a special education teacher who now teachers general education, I have had a student who shattered a glass window by the door, I have had students throw items, and hit. Those students all stopped within a month. One took 2 months because it took me a while to get through to the parents.

In the meantime, I made sure NONE of my students got hurt and learning continued. It was difficult that first month but we got through it. The other students learned empathy and how to advocate for themselves as well.

The ‘chair thrower’ will not be leaving. You better ask the school what plan is in place and ask the teacher if they are actually able to follow the plan. Ask them what they are doing to ensure learning is continuing and how they are ensuring the safety of your child. If they cannot answer these simple questions fully the school isn’t actually doing much but running around like a chicken with its head cut off or seeing a fire and screaming ‘fire!’

Too bad. It’s a new world in 2025. You’re kidding yourself if you don’t think we will finally be able to get these violent kids out of the classrooms. The days of spending years to document are soon to be in the past.

You are funny. I am a teacher, are you? Definitely not if you think this.

You did not read what I said, just responded to respond.

I have never taught a student who I (with school supports) wasn’t able to turn it around so far. If ever I get a student like this it will be because the student unfortunately is mentally ill in a way a school cannot handle.

I’m not special, I just actually know my sh*t unlike most of these general education teachers who did not study disabilities or trauma. Or the ones who think being from a poor neighborhood means kids will listen to you.

Ps. I would rather teach kids who throw chairs, than ones who are ableist. Much harder to change. Hope you’re not instilling your hatred.

I’m happy to believe that many of these kids can turn it around with the right supports, and delighted for them to do so. But I don’t see the logic in having them in a big class with lots of other kids to target while they get to that point. Seems like they should start in a more self-contained environment and join a bigger class only after they’ve made it over the hump at least on violence (letting along other disruptions).

Pp here.
So you think kids with disabilities in a smaller class ‘deserve’ to have disruptions? I have also taught self-contained (for 6 years). Some years it would be a single student doing things like throwing chairs. Self contained does not mean dangerous behaviors.

And when they start in self-contained they almost never leave, even if they are ready.

Also, I have already said this but I’ll say it again. Sometimes the one ‘throwing chairs’ does NOT have a disability, so please tell me how they will be placed in self-contained?

These kids can absolutely turn it around, DCPS needs to do a better job. Why shouldn’t every classroom have an assistant and ECE have 2 assistants? Why shouldn’t PARENTS be required to be part of their child’s behavior plan? Why remove the student only to give them candy and have them return right away?

I hear people, I am not advocating to ignore such behavior or that the other kids don’t matter. But I am confused why you want a 3-18 year old children to have such adult consequences? Why not hold DCPS to a higher standard? Why punish the child?

You are viewing this as punishment, versus allowing hundreds if not thousands of students to learn without fear or harm.

If a student, no matter their age, is disruptive and violent towards others, they need to be removed. Indefinitely if necessary. I make no apologies for this opinion.

Thankfully, most disabled students are not violent (or particularly disruptive), but for the narrow subset that are, we should seriously consider removal from the mainstream classroom.

Any chair thrower needs to be removed. We need to stop conflating violence in the classroom with those with a disability. Yes, some children will have disabilities but not all violent children have a disability.

The Chair thrower in my kid’s 2nd grade classroom didn’t have a diagnosis because his parents (UMC) refused to get him evaluated. I will say that a concerted effort of documentation from the class + teacher led to appropriate intervention that improved the situation enormously.

You have zero idea what actually happened and if you do it was a major privacy violation.

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Anonymous wrote:Threads like this pop up from time to time and are almost never productive or helpful - just filled with generalizations or hearsay that don't reflect the actual law, policies, or contexts that schools and families are working within. I wish Jeff would do more to moderate or remove them because they are ableist and often inaccurate.

Also, we're talking about a child in your school community who needs support - maybe use that framing instead of "chair thrower." It's not like there are one-size-fits-all spaces in self-contained classrooms or good special ed private schools for every student who would benefit from them.

The only good advice here is what a PP said about documenting and sharing with the teacher/principal factual info about the impact on your own child.

Whenever I see “ableist” used I just know there’s gonna be an uninterrupted streak of nonsense

I see what you think about disabled kids. You are sick.
Even if this child doesn’t have a disability, it’s clear they have trauma and no clear boundaries at home or at school. They need support and it’s clear that school does not know what to do. I was previously a special education teacher who now teachers general education, I have had a student who shattered a glass window by the door, I have had students throw items, and hit. Those students all stopped within a month. One took 2 months because it took me a while to get through to the parents.

In the meantime, I made sure NONE of my students got hurt and learning continued. It was difficult that first month but we got through it. The other students learned empathy and how to advocate for themselves as well.

The ‘chair thrower’ will not be leaving. You better ask the school what plan is in place and ask the teacher if they are actually able to follow the plan. Ask them what they are doing to ensure learning is continuing and how they are ensuring the safety of your child. If they cannot answer these simple questions fully the school isn’t actually doing much but running around like a chicken with its head cut off or seeing a fire and screaming ‘fire!’

Too bad. It’s a new world in 2025. You’re kidding yourself if you don’t think we will finally be able to get these violent kids out of the classrooms. The days of spending years to document are soon to be in the past.

You are funny. I am a teacher, are you? Definitely not if you think this.

You did not read what I said, just responded to respond.

I have never taught a student who I (with school supports) wasn’t able to turn it around so far. If ever I get a student like this it will be because the student unfortunately is mentally ill in a way a school cannot handle.

I’m not special, I just actually know my sh*t unlike most of these general education teachers who did not study disabilities or trauma. Or the ones who think being from a poor neighborhood means kids will listen to you.

Ps. I would rather teach kids who throw chairs, than ones who are ableist. Much harder to change. Hope you’re not instilling your hatred.

I’m happy to believe that many of these kids can turn it around with the right supports, and delighted for them to do so. But I don’t see the logic in having them in a big class with lots of other kids to target while they get to that point. Seems like they should start in a more self-contained environment and join a bigger class only after they’ve made it over the hump at least on violence (letting along other disruptions).

Pp here.
So you think kids with disabilities in a smaller class ‘deserve’ to have disruptions? I have also taught self-contained (for 6 years). Some years it would be a single student doing things like throwing chairs. Self contained does not mean dangerous behaviors.

And when they start in self-contained they almost never leave, even if they are ready.

Also, I have already said this but I’ll say it again. Sometimes the one ‘throwing chairs’ does NOT have a disability, so please tell me how they will be placed in self-contained?

These kids can absolutely turn it around, DCPS needs to do a better job. Why shouldn’t every classroom have an assistant and ECE have 2 assistants? Why shouldn’t PARENTS be required to be part of their child’s behavior plan? Why remove the student only to give them candy and have them return right away?

I hear people, I am not advocating to ignore such behavior or that the other kids don’t matter. But I am confused why you want a 3-18 year old children to have such adult consequences? Why not hold DCPS to a higher standard? Why punish the child?

You are viewing this as punishment, versus allowing hundreds if not thousands of students to learn without fear or harm.

If a student, no matter their age, is disruptive and violent towards others, they need to be removed. Indefinitely if necessary. I make no apologies for this opinion.

Thankfully, most disabled students are not violent (or particularly disruptive), but for the narrow subset that are, we should seriously consider removal from the mainstream classroom.

Any chair thrower needs to be removed. We need to stop conflating violence in the classroom with those with a disability. Yes, some children will have disabilities but not all violent children have a disability.

The Chair thrower in my kid’s 2nd grade classroom didn’t have a diagnosis because his parents (UMC) refused to get him evaluated. I will say that a concerted effort of documentation from the class + teacher led to appropriate intervention that improved the situation enormously.

You have zero idea what actually happened and if you do it was a major privacy violation.

I know what the result was; the process to get there, I have a general idea but no details.

[Anonymous]

My neighbors child was physically assaulted multiple times by a kid (no idea if he had any disabilities or not) who was bullying him over the course of a year. The school claimed they were solving the issue by keeping their eyes on the neighbor kid at all times, but it didn't matter- kept being assaulted/spit on.

His parents finally filed an order of protection to try to get this kid to leave him alone. The school still did nothing, even with a judge's order.

Until there are serious consequences for serious actions, this will never change. That would also mean DCPS would have to admit statistics that are unflattering, so they won't.

[Anonymous]

The problem with this thread is it sort of conflates a first grader who knocks over a chair a couple times no one is injured with an older child who is physically attacking other students.