Israel just bombed Doha, Qatar

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So Hamas leaders were there? Interdasting.

There are 2 Hamas- one in Gaza and one in Qatar. The Hamas in Gaza are the fighter wing/the poors. The Hamas in Qatar are the bourgeoise/diplomatic face of Hamas.

They tend to be rich, educated, secular, tend to lean a little pro Israel, have kids in western universities in Qatar or overseas, speak English fluently and often another language like Russian or Turkish. They are the diplomatic “face”.

They also are not popular in Gaza even among the poor Hamas fighters or Among the average everyday people.


According to Qatari Hamas, they had no prior knowledge of 10/7. Israel believed it because they have their phones taped and found no conspiring. It appears Sinwar completed 10/7 alone and seemingly as a coup against Hamas in Qatar.

Sinwar had some authenticity among the fighters because he actually lived in Gaza unlike the ritz Carlton dwelling Hamas elite

I really do not what Israel propaganda says any more. They have been fighting for almost two year with no results. It is time to look at Israel and only Israel.

Neither Israel or Hamas are a monolith. Among the Israeli chain of command , there are also divisions between mossad and Netanyahu and the same tensions exist within Hamas. This is what makes dealmaking ever more complicated. Neither Netanyahu nor Hamas care about their people dying despite what they say. Netanyahu recently blocked Israelis from leaving the country. For a moment, it seemed like they got a taste of their own medicine and were a Gaza in miniature when Iran displaced them and bombed tel Aviv and other cities. I don’t know what Netanyahus end game is here. Israel’s summer economy was destroyed thanks to his iranian war. The will of the majority of the people on both sides (Israel and Palestinians) are not for war. Everyone wants to be safe in their own homes with their families but the Israeli leadership wants to go scorched earth even if they get burned in the process (and have)

Can’t argue that Israel does want to go scorched earth. There is a reason for that. Hamas only understands force. Anything less than that is considered weakness in Hamas’s eyes. Israel wanting peace with its neighbors is considered weakness. If Hamas brutality is met with nothing more but a slap on the wrist, then Hamas brutality will continue he. It’s unfortunate that Hamas turned virtually every building in Gaza into terror infrastructure, but Hamas knew exactly what it was doing when it spent billions of international (including U.S. dollars) money to build its terror, tunnels underneath schools, mosques , hospitals, churches, UN buildings. They knew exactly what they were doing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is just insane.

EVIL

Oops, you dropped your mask?

So you were pro-Hamas-leadership and the murder of innocent tourists, after all?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So Hamas leaders were there? Interdasting.

There are 2 Hamas- one in Gaza and one in Qatar. The Hamas in Gaza are the fighter wing/the poors. The Hamas in Qatar are the bourgeoise/diplomatic face of Hamas.

They tend to be rich, educated, secular, tend to lean a little pro Israel, have kids in western universities in Qatar or overseas, speak English fluently and often another language like Russian or Turkish. They are the diplomatic “face”.

They also are not popular in Gaza even among the poor Hamas fighters or Among the average everyday people.


According to Qatari Hamas, they had no prior knowledge of 10/7. Israel believed it because they have their phones taped and found no conspiring. It appears Sinwar completed 10/7 alone and seemingly as a coup against Hamas in Qatar.

Sinwar had some authenticity among the fighters because he actually lived in Gaza unlike the ritz Carlton dwelling Hamas elite

I really do not what Israel propaganda says any more. They have been fighting for almost two year with no results. It is time to look at Israel and only Israel.

Netanyahu is not fighting for results. He’s fighting for extension and expansion of the war to other regions. He is fighting to hold on to power and avoid jail for himself. He is a saboteur in cahoots with Hamas.

Why else would he wait eight weeks before entering Gaza? Does anyone wait eight weeks to complete a search when someone goes missing?

Netanyahu will not go down in history well. Many Israeli officials have already publically turned on him and have realized he is the Hamas supporter he talks about. Among other things, he compromised his own security by aligning with right wing radicals like Ben Gvir who publically said Netanyahu should be eliminated by any means if he makes a deal or stops the war. Even if he wanted to stop it (which he doesn’t), he can’t. The same radicals he jostled against Prime Minister Rabin can easily turn on him and kill him and he knows that. He’s weaved a web he can’t untangle and the sad part is Israeli people knew he would lead to dangerous outcomes with this new right wing coalition. That’s what the protests were largely about. The secular vs extremist divide was so bad during the protests some people thought Israel would fall to civil war. 10/7 completely changed that and United the country shifting even the biggest hippie to a right wing Likudnik. This benefits Bibi but at what cost? He takes big gambles with politics and often he wins but nobody wins forever

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So Hamas leaders were there? Interdasting.

There are 2 Hamas- one in Gaza and one in Qatar. The Hamas in Gaza are the fighter wing/the poors. The Hamas in Qatar are the bourgeoise/diplomatic face of Hamas.

They tend to be rich, educated, secular, tend to lean a little pro Israel, have kids in western universities in Qatar or overseas, speak English fluently and often another language like Russian or Turkish. They are the diplomatic “face”.

They also are not popular in Gaza even among the poor Hamas fighters or Among the average everyday people.


According to Qatari Hamas, they had no prior knowledge of 10/7. Israel believed it because they have their phones taped and found no conspiring. It appears Sinwar completed 10/7 alone and seemingly as a coup against Hamas in Qatar.

Sinwar had some authenticity among the fighters because he actually lived in Gaza unlike the ritz Carlton dwelling Hamas elite

I really do not what Israel propaganda says any more. They have been fighting for almost two year with no results. It is time to look at Israel and only Israel.

Neither Israel or Hamas are a monolith. Among the Israeli chain of command , there are also divisions between mossad and Netanyahu and the same tensions exist within Hamas. This is what makes dealmaking ever more complicated. Neither Netanyahu nor Hamas care about their people dying despite what they say. Netanyahu recently blocked Israelis from leaving the country. For a moment, it seemed like they got a taste of their own medicine and were a Gaza in miniature when Iran displaced them and bombed tel Aviv and other cities. I don’t know what Netanyahus end game is here. Israel’s summer economy was destroyed thanks to his iranian war. The will of the majority of the people on both sides (Israel and Palestinians) are not for war. Everyone wants to be safe in their own homes with their families but the Israeli leadership wants to go scorched earth even if they get burned in the process (and have)

Can’t argue that Israel does want to go scorched earth. There is a reason for that. Hamas only understands force. Anything less than that is considered weakness in Hamas’s eyes. Israel wanting peace with its neighbors is considered weakness. If Hamas brutality is met with nothing more but a slap on the wrist, then Hamas brutality will continue he. It’s unfortunate that Hamas turned virtually every building in Gaza into terror infrastructure, but Hamas knew exactly what it was doing when it spent billions of international (including U.S. dollars) money to build its terror, tunnels underneath schools, mosques , hospitals, churches, UN buildings. They knew exactly what they were doing.

Did you write this from a house in the West Bank that you stole from a Palestinian? Get your occupiers out of Palestine territory before you talk about "neighbors", invader.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:Hamas has repeatedly accepted U.S. ceasefire and prisoner exchange proposals. This is Netanyahu's way of refusing. He wants war.

Hamas is not to be believed. But, Israel shouldn’t be bombing Qatar.

They should send assassins.

It's 2025. Assassins WFH. Send in the drones.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The problem with killing the rich elite is this ruins any chances of Israel getting the hostages. They were the only ones in communication with Hamas in Gaza and able to determine where hostages were and what are the conditions of release. By bombing Doha, this is setting back the possibility of a return of the remaining Israeli hostages. Why would Netanyahu do that? Unless he doesn’t want a deal. If the rest of the hostages are returned , he knows most Israelis will demand the war is ended and he doesn’t want that

It's pretty obvious that Netanyahu needs the hostages to stay right in Gaza and not have any type of negotiation in order to execute the final solution. Anyone with even the tiniest ability to think critically knows this has never been about the hostages but about conquering Gaza and ultimately reducing and expelling the native population to create a Jewish ethnostate.

EXPAND the existing Jewish ethnostate.

[Anonymous]

Hamas is a designated terrorist organization.

Why are so many of you defending terrorists?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Hamas is a designated terrorist organization.

Why are so many of you defending terrorists?

Why do you not view Israel as a terrorist organization? Organizations can have multiple goals and purposes, of course.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So Hamas leaders were there? Interdasting.

There are 2 Hamas- one in Gaza and one in Qatar. The Hamas in Gaza are the fighter wing/the poors. The Hamas in Qatar are the bourgeoise/diplomatic face of Hamas.

They tend to be rich, educated, secular, tend to lean a little pro Israel, have kids in western universities in Qatar or overseas, speak English fluently and often another language like Russian or Turkish. They are the diplomatic “face”.

They also are not popular in Gaza even among the poor Hamas fighters or Among the average everyday people.


According to Qatari Hamas, they had no prior knowledge of 10/7. Israel believed it because they have their phones taped and found no conspiring. It appears Sinwar completed 10/7 alone and seemingly as a coup against Hamas in Qatar.

Sinwar had some authenticity among the fighters because he actually lived in Gaza unlike the ritz Carlton dwelling Hamas elite

I really do not what Israel propaganda says any more. They have been fighting for almost two year with no results. It is time to look at Israel and only Israel.

Neither Israel or Hamas are a monolith. Among the Israeli chain of command , there are also divisions between mossad and Netanyahu and the same tensions exist within Hamas. This is what makes dealmaking ever more complicated. Neither Netanyahu nor Hamas care about their people dying despite what they say. Netanyahu recently blocked Israelis from leaving the country. For a moment, it seemed like they got a taste of their own medicine and were a Gaza in miniature when Iran displaced them and bombed tel Aviv and other cities. I don’t know what Netanyahus end game is here. Israel’s summer economy was destroyed thanks to his iranian war. The will of the majority of the people on both sides (Israel and Palestinians) are not for war. Everyone wants to be safe in their own homes with their families but the Israeli leadership wants to go scorched earth even if they get burned in the process (and have)

Can’t argue that Israel does want to go scorched earth. There is a reason for that. Hamas only understands force. Anything less than that is considered weakness in Hamas’s eyes. Israel wanting peace with its neighbors is considered weakness. If Hamas brutality is met with nothing more but a slap on the wrist, then Hamas brutality will continue he. It’s unfortunate that Hamas turned virtually every building in Gaza into terror infrastructure, but Hamas knew exactly what it was doing when it spent billions of international (including U.S. dollars) money to build its terror, tunnels underneath schools, mosques , hospitals, churches, UN buildings. They knew exactly what they were doing.

Your argument about force is exactly what Hamas says: that Israel only respects and understands force. Their ideology is the PLO did nothing but waste time on diplomacy and alliance building with nothing to show for it and they didn’t arm their people and their only line of defense was kids throwing stones for 60 years. There is some truth here

Israel talks about Hamas’ first line of business after obtaining Gaza in full being building trenches, tunnels, and rockets but can you blame them? Israel did the same thing when they nation builded: defense came first. Without Hamas winning that election (which they barely won btw), there would’ve been Israeli settlers back in Gaza within the year if the PLO ran the place.

A state needs some sort of army and the Israeli aggression against the fecund and demilitarized West Bank only legitimizes Hamas vis a vis Palestinian Authority and shows that the demilitarized Palestinian provisional government did not work

If Israel really wanted peace, they should’ve acted in good faith with the West Bank government of the Palestinian Authority and granted them real sovereignty instead of land grabs and arrests /forced removal. That government was the best option Israel could’ve ever had for a neighbor but they seem to be dead set on wanting hostile neighbors instead

[Anonymous]

Freeing the hostages is bad for Netanyahu and the Zionist regime. No excuse for continuing the genocide then. Any possibilities of a cease fire must be prevented at all costs.

If they actually wanted the hostages, Israel would have secured them on day one.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hamas is a designated terrorist organization.

Why are so many of you defending terrorists?

Why do you not view Israel as a terrorist organization? Organizations can have multiple goals and purposes, of course.

I apologize for this comment. I don’t think Israel as a country is a terrorist organization. I do think Netanyahu is a terrorist who is using Israel.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hamas is a designated terrorist organization.

Why are so many of you defending terrorists?

Why do you not view Israel as a terrorist organization? Organizations can have multiple goals and purposes, of course.

That's not what has been designated by the US govt. Same that Palestine is not a country.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Hamas is a designated terrorist organization.

Why are so many of you defending terrorists?

DP

I don’t see anyone defending Hamas.

Having said that, and given the fact that the designation process is as corrupt as corrupt can be, the mere fact of designation is irrelevant anyway.

Nobody is defending Hamas because of what they have done to innocent Israeli and Palestinians - not because some corrupt POS Secretary of State LITERALLY followed the script handed to him by Israeli lobbyists and proclaimed that XYZ was an FTO.

Get real - did you believe that these designations were ordained by god?!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So Hamas leaders were there? Interdasting.

There are 2 Hamas- one in Gaza and one in Qatar. The Hamas in Gaza are the fighter wing/the poors. The Hamas in Qatar are the bourgeoise/diplomatic face of Hamas.

They tend to be rich, educated, secular, tend to lean a little pro Israel, have kids in western universities in Qatar or overseas, speak English fluently and often another language like Russian or Turkish. They are the diplomatic “face”.

They also are not popular in Gaza even among the poor Hamas fighters or Among the average everyday people.


According to Qatari Hamas, they had no prior knowledge of 10/7. Israel believed it because they have their phones taped and found no conspiring. It appears Sinwar completed 10/7 alone and seemingly as a coup against Hamas in Qatar.

Sinwar had some authenticity among the fighters because he actually lived in Gaza unlike the ritz Carlton dwelling Hamas elite

I really do not what Israel propaganda says any more. They have been fighting for almost two year with no results. It is time to look at Israel and only Israel.

Netanyahu is not fighting for results. He’s fighting for extension and expansion of the war to other regions. He is fighting to hold on to power and avoid jail for himself. He is a saboteur in cahoots with Hamas.

Why else would he wait eight weeks before entering Gaza? Does anyone wait eight weeks to complete a search when someone goes missing?

Netanyahu will not go down in history well. Many Israeli officials have already publically turned on him and have realized he is the Hamas supporter he talks about. Among other things, he compromised his own security by aligning with right wing radicals like Ben Gvir who publically said Netanyahu should be eliminated by any means if he makes a deal or stops the war. Even if he wanted to stop it (which he doesn’t), he can’t. The same radicals he jostled against Prime Minister Rabin can easily turn on him and kill him and he knows that. He’s weaved a web he can’t untangle and the sad part is Israeli people knew he would lead to dangerous outcomes with this new right wing coalition. That’s what the protests were largely about. The secular vs extremist divide was so bad during the protests some people thought Israel would fall to civil war. 10/7 completely changed that and United the country shifting even the biggest hippie to a right wing Likudnik. This benefits Bibi but at what cost? He takes big gambles with politics and often he wins but nobody wins forever

Hamas wouldn't exist if Netanyahu didn't allow it to happen. He knew he needed to create a boogeyman in order to have justification for war crimes and genocide in Gaza as well as divide the Palestinian people. It's no secret that he's funded Hamas billions of dollars directly and then later through Qatar as a intermediary.

See the other thread on the topic, but it's also quite evident that Netanyahu/Israeli intelligence facilitated 10/7 to justify everything they've done subsequently. Killing the negotiations is absolutely essential to continue the genocide and prevent any ceasefire. Time is running out as public opinion is waning, so Israel wants to finsh the job of genocide/ethnic cleansing ASAP.

[Anonymous]

It’s very clear that Mossad has something on Trump and probably the Kushners as well.