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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]So Hamas leaders were there?  Interdasting.[/quote]

There are 2 Hamas- one in Gaza and one in Qatar. The Hamas  in Gaza are the fighter wing/the poors. The Hamas in Qatar are the  bourgeoise/diplomatic face  of Hamas.

They tend to be rich, educated,  secular, tend to lean a little pro Israel, have kids in western universities in Qatar or overseas, speak English fluently and often another language like Russian or Turkish.  They are the diplomatic “face”.

They also are not popular in Gaza even among the poor Hamas fighters  or Among the average everyday people.

According to Qatari Hamas, they had no prior knowledge of 10/7. Israel believed it because they have their phones taped and found no conspiring. It appears Sinwar completed 10/7 alone and seemingly as a coup against Hamas in Qatar.

Sinwar had some authenticity among the fighters because  he actually lived in Gaza unlike the ritz Carlton dwelling Hamas elite[/quote]

I really do not what Israel propaganda says any more. They have been fighting for almost two year with no results. It is time to look at Israel and only Israel. [/quote]

Neither Israel or Hamas are a monolith. Among the Israeli chain of command , there are also divisions between mossad and Netanyahu and the same tensions exist within Hamas. This is what makes dealmaking ever more complicated. Neither Netanyahu nor Hamas care about their people dying despite what they say. Netanyahu recently blocked Israelis from leaving the country. For a moment, it seemed   like they got a taste of their own medicine and were a Gaza in miniature when Iran displaced them and bombed tel Aviv and other cities. I don’t know what Netanyahus end game is here. Israel’s summer economy was destroyed thanks to his iranian war. The will of the majority of the people on both sides (Israel and Palestinians) are not for war. Everyone wants to be safe in their own homes with their families but the Israeli leadership wants to go scorched earth even if they get burned in the process (and have)[/quote]

Can’t argue that Israel does want to go scorched earth. There is a reason for that. Hamas only understands force. Anything less than that is considered weakness in Hamas’s eyes. Israel wanting peace with its neighbors is considered weakness. If Hamas brutality is met with nothing more but a slap on the wrist, then Hamas brutality will continue he. It’s unfortunate that Hamas turned virtually every building in Gaza into terror infrastructure, but Hamas knew exactly what it was doing when it spent billions of international (including U.S. dollars) money to build its terror, tunnels underneath schools, mosques , hospitals, churches, UN buildings. They knew exactly what they were doing. [/quote]

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