What really differentiates HYPSM from other elite schools

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There’s an interesting twist to this story. Three or more decades ago, Harvard was largely white and wealthy. There were very few poor or foreign students (less than 5% each). Today, the real family median income of new students at Harvard has halved since the 1990s. Pell Grant students now makeup 20% of entering students and over 50% of kids are getting substantial financial aid.

When Harvard admitted the white and wealthy, public service was considered a duty and a giveback to society while creating an honorable legacy for oneself. Those kids - at least the white and wealthy - have now shifted to other schools. Checkout Opportunity Insight data and you’ll see that WSTL leads the pack. Right there with them are Vanderbilt, Dartmouth, and many liberal arts colleges.

Thus, Harvard has become a bastion for poor, non-white, smart kids who are eager to score big. Their focus is not giving back to society in some noblesse oblige way, but to hack the system to wealth.

Maybe all the hate for WSTL, Vanderbilt, and the like is from Harvard strivers who see the rich, white kids heading to these other schools as a legacy of the past, and in some way, their enemy.

How can you put white and noble in the same sentence? I guess slavery and mass murdering native Americans are noble things to do?

Educate yourself, and you will be less resentful. Ninety percent of the Native Americans died from disease. Also, all races throughout history have owned slaves. Defeated peoples were either enslaved or put to death. Black Africans were the ones who sold their fellow black Africans to European slave traders.

So it justifies the mass murdering of the rest 1.5 million of them? WOW a genocide of 1.5 million human lives is nothing to you. I get it now.

You are making up stats that are not by any consensus historically accepted. You also do not realize that the Native Americans were not peaceful, and regularly conquered, tortured, and slaughtered each other on a massive scale before and after the Spanish arrived.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is a difference in quality, what is taught, how it is taugt, and connections. Is the difference meaningful. Could be. May not be.

College is a launching pad. You can get a similar result from Towson as Harvard for a specific individual. But there may be more to take advantage of at Harvard. You may be challenged more. You may make more connections. All needed? No. But sure does not hurt. Also not everyone that went to Townson will come out the same as a top school.

The top schools give options that you cannot get anywhere else. Is there a difference among them? Sure but it gets smaller and smaller.

This thread has nothing to do with schools like Towson. False comparison.

Compare the typical $70,000 need aid award from Harvard against any University out there.

YOU might want to do a bit of homework. There is a pretty decent number of top Universities and SLACs which are need blind. Small relative to the number of schools in the country but still 20 or so. They all give average aid packages like that one.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:HYPSM are the only truly elite schools IMHO.

Opinions are like A$$hole$ everyone has them. And your opinion is worth absolutely zero.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There’s an interesting twist to this story. Three or more decades ago, Harvard was largely white and wealthy. There were very few poor or foreign students (less than 5% each). Today, the real family median income of new students at Harvard has halved since the 1990s. Pell Grant students now makeup 20% of entering students and over 50% of kids are getting substantial financial aid.

When Harvard admitted the white and wealthy, public service was considered a duty and a giveback to society while creating an honorable legacy for oneself. Those kids - at least the white and wealthy - have now shifted to other schools. Checkout Opportunity Insight data and you’ll see that WSTL leads the pack. Right there with them are Vanderbilt, Dartmouth, and many liberal arts colleges.

Thus, Harvard has become a bastion for poor, non-white, smart kids who are eager to score big. Their focus is not giving back to society in some noblesse oblige way, but to hack the system to wealth.

Maybe all the hate for WSTL, Vanderbilt, and the like is from Harvard strivers who see the rich, white kids heading to these other schools as a legacy of the past, and in some way, their enemy.

How can you put white and noble in the same sentence? I guess slavery and mass murdering native Americans are noble things to do?

Educate yourself, and you will be less resentful. Ninety percent of the Native Americans died from disease. Also, all races throughout history have owned slaves. Defeated peoples were either enslaved or put to death. Black Africans were the ones who sold their fellow black Africans to European slave traders.

So it justifies the mass murdering of the rest 1.5 million of them? WOW a genocide of 1.5 million human lives is nothing to you. I get it now.

You are making up stats that are not by any consensus historically accepted. You also do not realize that the Native Americans were not peaceful, and regularly conquered, tortured, and slaughtered each other on a massive scale before and after the Spanish arrived.

Not sure if you’re serious or that’s your true mindset. Either way it’s terrible that people like you still exist in 2025. Do you really not expect resistance when you invade other people’s land or are you implying white people didn’t really mass murder them, they just killed each other?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There’s an interesting twist to this story. Three or more decades ago, Harvard was largely white and wealthy. There were very few poor or foreign students (less than 5% each). Today, the real family median income of new students at Harvard has halved since the 1990s. Pell Grant students now makeup 20% of entering students and over 50% of kids are getting substantial financial aid.

When Harvard admitted the white and wealthy, public service was considered a duty and a giveback to society while creating an honorable legacy for oneself. Those kids - at least the white and wealthy - have now shifted to other schools. Checkout Opportunity Insight data and you’ll see that WSTL leads the pack. Right there with them are Vanderbilt, Dartmouth, and many liberal arts colleges.

Thus, Harvard has become a bastion for poor, non-white, smart kids who are eager to score big. Their focus is not giving back to society in some noblesse oblige way, but to hack the system to wealth.

Maybe all the hate for WSTL, Vanderbilt, and the like is from Harvard strivers who see the rich, white kids heading to these other schools as a legacy of the past, and in some way, their enemy.

How can you put white and noble in the same sentence? I guess slavery and mass murdering native Americans are noble things to do?

Educate yourself, and you will be less resentful. Ninety percent of the Native Americans died from disease. Also, all races throughout history have owned slaves. Defeated peoples were either enslaved or put to death. Black Africans were the ones who sold their fellow black Africans to European slave traders.

So it justifies the mass murdering of the rest 1.5 million of them? WOW a genocide of 1.5 million human lives is nothing to you. I get it now.

You are making up stats that are not by any consensus historically accepted. You also do not realize that the Native Americans were not peaceful, and regularly conquered, tortured, and slaughtered each other on a massive scale before and after the Spanish arrived.

Not sure if you’re serious or that’s your true mindset. Either way it’s terrible that people like you still exist in 2025. Do you really not expect resistance when you invade other people’s land or are you implying white people didn’t really mass murder them, they just killed each other?

Maybe you should worry more about the black people who are still enslaving each other. That would be more constructive than nursing your grievances against white people in order to try to justify your own miserable, angry mindset.

[Anonymous]

People seemed to have contradicted themselves. Sometimes they say attending hypsm doesn’t give one any advantage for their future and careers while other times they argue those who attend hypsm are wealth strivers, which implies elite colleges do bring extra wealth to you. I hope people were just coping because otherwise DCUM is even dumber than I thought.

[Anonymous]

HYPSM are secure, other elites could be insecure sometimes. You could trash HYPSM (but no one ever did) any time on DCUM, yet no one from HYPSM would ever care. That differentiates HYPSM from others.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:People seemed to have contradicted themselves. Sometimes they say attending hypsm doesn’t give one any advantage for their future and careers while other times they argue those who attend hypsm are wealth strivers, which implies elite colleges do bring extra wealth to you. I hope people were just coping because otherwise DCUM is even dumber than I thought.

Go read Opportunity Insights. It basically says the same thing: no/little advantage for wealthy kids; big difference for poor kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There’s an interesting twist to this story. Three or more decades ago, Harvard was largely white and wealthy. There were very few poor or foreign students (less than 5% each). Today, the real family median income of new students at Harvard has halved since the 1990s. Pell Grant students now makeup 20% of entering students and over 50% of kids are getting substantial financial aid.

When Harvard admitted the white and wealthy, public service was considered a duty and a giveback to society while creating an honorable legacy for oneself. Those kids - at least the white and wealthy - have now shifted to other schools. Checkout Opportunity Insight data and you’ll see that WSTL leads the pack. Right there with them are Vanderbilt, Dartmouth, and many liberal arts colleges.

Thus, Harvard has become a bastion for poor, non-white, smart kids who are eager to score big. Their focus is not giving back to society in some noblesse oblige way, but to hack the system to wealth.

Maybe all the hate for WSTL, Vanderbilt, and the like is from Harvard strivers who see the rich, white kids heading to these other schools as a legacy of the past, and in some way, their enemy.

I don't think people at Harvard have hate for WSTL, Vandy or anyone else. We just don't think about those schools that much. Who cares.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People seemed to have contradicted themselves. Sometimes they say attending hypsm doesn’t give one any advantage for their future and careers while other times they argue those who attend hypsm are wealth strivers, which implies elite colleges do bring extra wealth to you. I hope people were just coping because otherwise DCUM is even dumber than I thought.

Go read Opportunity Insights. It basically says the same thing: no/little advantage for wealthy kids; big difference for poor kids.

I would only trust a rigorous academic research paper, not some propaganda driven “insight”.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There’s an interesting twist to this story. Three or more decades ago, Harvard was largely white and wealthy. There were very few poor or foreign students (less than 5% each). Today, the real family median income of new students at Harvard has halved since the 1990s. Pell Grant students now makeup 20% of entering students and over 50% of kids are getting substantial financial aid.

When Harvard admitted the white and wealthy, public service was considered a duty and a giveback to society while creating an honorable legacy for oneself. Those kids - at least the white and wealthy - have now shifted to other schools. Checkout Opportunity Insight data and you’ll see that WSTL leads the pack. Right there with them are Vanderbilt, Dartmouth, and many liberal arts colleges.

Thus, Harvard has become a bastion for poor, non-white, smart kids who are eager to score big. Their focus is not giving back to society in some noblesse oblige way, but to hack the system to wealth.

Maybe all the hate for WSTL, Vanderbilt, and the like is from Harvard strivers who see the rich, white kids heading to these other schools as a legacy of the past, and in some way, their enemy.

I don't think people at Harvard have hate for WSTL, Vandy or anyone else. We just don't think about those schools that much. Who cares.

Can confirm that even a non-HYP Ivy doesn’t think about them either, they are incredible schools, but once you’re in school no one is spending time thinking about such things. They’re happy where they are and secure.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There’s an interesting twist to this story. Three or more decades ago, Harvard was largely white and wealthy. There were very few poor or foreign students (less than 5% each). Today, the real family median income of new students at Harvard has halved since the 1990s. Pell Grant students now makeup 20% of entering students and over 50% of kids are getting substantial financial aid.

When Harvard admitted the white and wealthy, public service was considered a duty and a giveback to society while creating an honorable legacy for oneself. Those kids - at least the white and wealthy - have now shifted to other schools. Checkout Opportunity Insight data and you’ll see that WSTL leads the pack. Right there with them are Vanderbilt, Dartmouth, and many liberal arts colleges.

Thus, Harvard has become a bastion for poor, non-white, smart kids who are eager to score big. Their focus is not giving back to society in some noblesse oblige way, but to hack the system to wealth.

Maybe all the hate for WSTL, Vanderbilt, and the like is from Harvard strivers who see the rich, white kids heading to these other schools as a legacy of the past, and in some way, their enemy.

I don't think people at Harvard have hate for WSTL, Vandy or anyone else. We just don't think about those schools that much. Who cares.

Can confirm that even a non-HYP Ivy doesn’t think about them either, they are incredible schools, but once you’re in school no one is spending time thinking about such things. They’re happy where they are and secure.

Happy and secure ones don't write "non-HYP Ivy". They introduced themselves by the name of the school.

[Anonymous]

Between this thread and the WUSTL one, it’s pretty clear what’s going on. Thanks, posters.

[Anonymous]

A significant part of Trump’s pushback on Ivies is their current admission practices. You can read that as anti-DEI or pro-white, wealthy, legacy kids. It’s the same thing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People seemed to have contradicted themselves. Sometimes they say attending hypsm doesn’t give one any advantage for their future and careers while other times they argue those who attend hypsm are wealth strivers, which implies elite colleges do bring extra wealth to you. I hope people were just coping because otherwise DCUM is even dumber than I thought.

Go read Opportunity Insights. It basically says the same thing: no/little advantage for wealthy kids; big difference for poor kids.

From personal experience, I would add women of color to those who benefit.