What really differentiates HYPSM from other elite schools

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Anonymous wrote:Of course HYPSM gives great advantages throughout life. Instant credibility…that can be fumbled.

The notion undergraduate degrees from HYPSM are meaningless comes from insecurity and envy.

Yet one does not need HYPSM for a wonderful life.

Anonymous wrote:People seemed to have contradicted themselves. Sometimes they say attending hypsm doesn’t give one any advantage for their future and careers while other times they argue those who attend hypsm are wealth strivers, which implies elite colleges do bring extra wealth to you. I hope people were just coping because otherwise DCUM is even dumber than I thought.

I’m pretty sure in my case it comes from e going to a state school, making 7 figures and having multiple Ivy+ people (including one HYPSM) reporting to me. Can’t really find insecurity or envy anywhere in the equation.

But just imagine what your life would have been if you had taken your talents to a HYPSM...you might be making 8 figures...or might have moved past the yearly income to net assets? Imagine the possibilities.

I grew up in a rural area in a family where only one parent even graduated from high school, just going to college was a big accomplishment. Ironically I likely could have gone to Cornell (it was pretty local) but that would have required money that my family didn't have so it wasn't on the table and not being able to attend Cornell wasn't seen as a big deal at all because I was still going to college. Would going to a HYPM made a big difference? Maybe, but I could make the same statement about going to Rochester or even Syracuse. In fairness it take me longer to get started on the path to where I am relative to someone who came out of a top school but it wasn't hard to compete and rise above once I made it onto the field. I am typing this while sitting in a meeting a a very large well known company on the West Coast. The top dog on the call went to SUNY Bing, I'm next and I went to a different SUNY. A bit further down the chain is an exec from CMU/MIT....maybe more people should consider SUNY?

I mentioned income in my previous post but I could have used net assets which are well into the top 1% range as well. My kids would never have to work if that was a goal but as you might expect from my background learning to work and compete is the goal; the wealth was the result of success, not a goal in itself.

You would not be revealing so much on an anonymous forum unless you were insecure. Love thyself!

Np, I think its a great story and he hardly sounds insecure.

Meanwhile I ran into a woman yesterday who has multiple degrees from Stanford and Harvard and is living a normal life and in every two sentences I was made aware of where she went to school. I think going to top schools and not really distinguishing yoursef and having to keep telling people about where you went to school 30 years ago is insecurity. People succeed because of who they are not because where they went to school.

she like many people here sound i sufferable. i never mention where i go to school openly

Searching for approval by sharing bona fides — on an anonymous forum — is a great operationalized definition of insecurity. Some folks seek “legitimacy,” after all this time — and some don’t.

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Anonymous wrote:People often make the mistake of comparing person A with person B. The real question is for the same you, would you rather have a HYPSM on your resume or a regular uni? I think the answer is obvious.

No, the real question is for the same you, would your life have turned out better with HYPSM on your resume? That’s often not obvious at all.

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Anonymous wrote:People often make the mistake of comparing person A with person B. The real question is for the same you, would you rather have a HYPSM on your resume or a regular uni? I think the answer is obvious.

No, the real question is for the same you, would your life have turned out better with HYPSM on your resume? That’s often not obvious at all.

DP — and everyone’s definition of “better” is different. For some, it is money, for others, it is happiness.

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Anonymous wrote:WUSTL and Vanderbilt are still Ivy rejects though. It’s funny how these white wannabes try to cope.

I agree with WUSTL but not Vanderbilt. The acceptance rate is too low for it to be an ivy reject and the school has many desirable factors. To me, it’s the fun alternative to lower ranked ivies like Cornell/Dartmouth/Brown just like Duke is the fun alternative for middle ivies like Columbia/Penn. WUSTL and Emory are more on the same level, semi-selective schools with not enough desirable factors other than cheaper cost to choose it over an ivy.

Whats semi selective about Emory or WashU? Also Vandy looses peer admits to every ivy except Cornell.

If you're getting this from parchment, there is not enough info to make that determination.

The problem with parchment is that too many of the kids that got into Cornell and Vanderbilt determination actually went to Columbia or something like that so their opinion is not expressed.
The typical Cornell student is not going to be particularly interested in Vanderbilt and vice versa.
Cornell, rural northeastern college
Vanderbilt, southern college in Nashville

It'd the best available info, also that doesn't answer the question how Emory and Washu schools with 10 and 12% acceptance rate and 1510/1530 sat scores respectively are semi selective? Where did you, your spouse, and child go to college?

Actually, Parchment data is deeply flawed. The last overall college ranking they produced was 2022 and Vanderbilt ranked 20ish out of national universities and LACs.

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Anonymous wrote:People often make the mistake of comparing person A with person B. The real question is for the same you, would you rather have a HYPSM on your resume or a regular uni? I think the answer is obvious.

Sometimes having a HYPSM on your resume is a detriment. I recently met a kid from Harvard who is working in a division in my company that hires from local schools. The first though that came to mind is why is this person working here. Is he not smart or driven. If you are HYPSM and dont punch above your weight then it does not really look that great.

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Anonymous wrote:People often make the mistake of comparing person A with person B. The real question is for the same you, would you rather have a HYPSM on your resume or a regular uni? I think the answer is obvious.

Sometimes having a HYPSM on your resume is a detriment. I recently met a kid from Harvard who is working in a division in my company that hires from local schools. The first though that came to mind is why is this person working here. Is he not smart or driven. If you are HYPSM and dont punch above your weight then it does not really look that great.

You were confused why a Harvard grad was working at same company as you? What ranking does a school have to be where it is okay to not punch above weight?

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Anonymous wrote:WUSTL and Vanderbilt are still Ivy rejects though. It’s funny how these white wannabes try to cope.

I agree with WUSTL but not Vanderbilt. The acceptance rate is too low for it to be an ivy reject and the school has many desirable factors. To me, it’s the fun alternative to lower ranked ivies like Cornell/Dartmouth/Brown just like Duke is the fun alternative for middle ivies like Columbia/Penn. WUSTL and Emory are more on the same level, semi-selective schools with not enough desirable factors other than cheaper cost to choose it over an ivy.

Whats semi selective about Emory or WashU? Also Vandy looses peer admits to every ivy except Cornell.

Parchment really isn’t that reliable and yes, compared to Vanderbilt’s 4% acceptance rate, it is less selective. These are all top schools we are talking about so I’m talking about “semi-selective” in relation to those schools.

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Isn't it really Harvard and Stanford they have separated themselves? They have more $$ than any other schools (when you include real estate, Stanford has more depending on the source) and they have top undergrad and grad programs in just about every area. They also have name recognition across disciplines than even places like MIT and Princeton don't have.

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Anonymous wrote:Isn't it really Harvard and Stanford they have separated themselves? They have more $$ than any other schools (when you include real estate, Stanford has more depending on the source) and they have top undergrad and grad programs in just about every area. They also have name recognition across disciplines than even places like MIT and Princeton don't have.

it’s really stanford and everyone else. harvard does not have the engineering stanford does

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Anonymous wrote:Isn't it really Harvard and Stanford they have separated themselves? They have more $$ than any other schools (when you include real estate, Stanford has more depending on the source) and they have top undergrad and grad programs in just about every area. They also have name recognition across disciplines than even places like MIT and Princeton don't have.

Princeton has the highest endowment per student by far. Like, not even close. Yale is also second for what it’s worth, but closer to the others.

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Anonymous wrote:Isn't it really Harvard and Stanford they have separated themselves? They have more $$ than any other schools (when you include real estate, Stanford has more depending on the source) and they have top undergrad and grad programs in just about every area. They also have name recognition across disciplines than even places like MIT and Princeton don't have.

it’s really stanford and everyone else. harvard does not have the engineering stanford does

Stanford has no where near the biological research and healthcare capital that Harvard does

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Anonymous wrote:Isn't it really Harvard and Stanford they have separated themselves? They have more $$ than any other schools (when you include real estate, Stanford has more depending on the source) and they have top undergrad and grad programs in just about every area. They also have name recognition across disciplines than even places like MIT and Princeton don't have.

Princeton has the highest endowment per student by far. Like, not even close. Yale is also second for what it’s worth, but closer to the others.

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Anonymous wrote:Isn't it really Harvard and Stanford they have separated themselves? They have more $$ than any other schools (when you include real estate, Stanford has more depending on the source) and they have top undergrad and grad programs in just about every area. They also have name recognition across disciplines than even places like MIT and Princeton don't have.

it’s really stanford and everyone else. harvard does not have the engineering stanford does

MIT is now the most respected of HYPSM for sure.

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Anonymous wrote:People often make the mistake of comparing person A with person B. The real question is for the same you, would you rather have a HYPSM on your resume or a regular uni? I think the answer is obvious.

No, the real question is for the same you, would your life have turned out better with HYPSM on your resume? That’s often not obvious at all.

How could you possible measure this? We don't get two chances at life, one at state U and the other at HYPSM.

I went to HYPSM and I am sure I got some opportunities based on my school, but as to where I'd be had I gone to a different school, I have no idea. How could I?

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Anonymous wrote:People often make the mistake of comparing person A with person B. The real question is for the same you, would you rather have a HYPSM on your resume or a regular uni? I think the answer is obvious.

No, the real question is for the same you, would your life have turned out better with HYPSM on your resume? That’s often not obvious at all.

How could you possible measure this? We don't get two chances at life, one at state U and the other at HYPSM.

I went to HYPSM and I am sure I got some opportunities based on my school, but as to where I'd be had I gone to a different school, I have no idea. How could I?

You can’t, that’s why I said it’s not obvious whether things would have turned out better. But the fact that it is so uncertain tells you that it isn’t the end all be all.

Contrast that with the earlier comment where someone said to the poster making 7 figures, “well, imagine if you had gone to HYPSM, you would probably be making 8 figures.” But there’s no reason to assume it works that way.