Is UVA's reputation declining?

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Anonymous wrote:My kid went to Arizona State University over UVA. Said UVA is primarily Virginia residents and being from Virginia, wanted to escape.

Translation: your Kid did not get into UVA

Nope, they did. Not everybody holds UVA on a pedestal.

Last year Arizona State accepted 92% of its in-state applicants and nearly 90% of its out of state applicants. They let just about anybody in! If you are so foolish as to attend a school like that over a selective university then that’s on you not UVA

And this is why UVA’s reputation is declining. They stand behind a moat shouting “go away! Go away! You can’t come in!” And then wonder why everyone is going somewhere else.

This is nonsensical. It’s like the Yogi Berra quote “nobody goes there anymore…it’s too popular”.

You can’t have applications increasing and acceptance rates declining…and then claim “everyone is going somewhere else” and the reputation is declining.

OP was noting that people talk about UVA less these days. And they do, because they’re going somewhere else. “Reputation” isn’t just how many children you turn away. It’s how many people think of you again after they grow up.

Again…nonsensical. They still accept and matriculate the same number of kids…they just have more applying.

Not following your logic at all.

When the state population is growing, but your school is staying the same size, it is losing ground.

No, that makes no sense. Harvard’s undergrad enrollment has barely budged for decades, despite the US population and number of people going to college increasing substantially during that time. By your logic, this is evidence of Harvard losing ground.

Few top schools have kept their enrollment growth up with population growth. That’s not a reflection of their reputation.
DP.

Harvard, a private school, can't be compared to a huge state school like UVA. Government ownership means different standards and rules.

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Anonymous wrote:I also think this is no longer a DMV board: the oos folks do not esteem UVA the same way, especially for the price (nor do their kids, as UVA’s poor oos yield demonstrates).

This is not true. Most of UVA’s applications and application growth is from OOS. If people OOS didn’t esteem a UVA education, those statistics wouldn’t be what they are. As for yield, OOS is lower for obvious reasons - higher tuition and higher admission standards than instate, meaning that those who are accepted have other good options. But, this is nothing new. I’m sure that Michigan’s OOS yield is lower than its instate yield.

Even W&M has higher OOS yield

OOS yield is relatively low because it is a private school level cost public school competing against private schools offering more generous aid, lower cost in state publics, and other OOS publics giving merit.

Yes, but don’t you see that’s thepoint? It relies heavily on oos for its budget, and then prices it as a private with no merit. This causes a feedback loop, which will only accelerate in the next decade or two, making it less — not more - desirable a location than previously, with a concomitant continued loss in prestige.

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Anonymous wrote:No. UVA is now, and has always been, a top 25 school, and one of the top 5 public schools in the country.

UVA is not alway a top 5 public school either. That varies based on the specific year and the ranking. Top 10 public is also even a maybe.

UVA is top 5 within Virginia.

+1 outside Virginia it is a forgotten and irrelevant school

47,000 out of state applicants this year (up 10% from 2024) did not forget about it.

They need a safety school.

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Many top students from northern VA are losing interest in UVA because it’s such a crapshoot. You can take all the hard classes, do all the EC’s, get the grades, and still get shut out because the institution needs a 1st Gen student from Danville to help “fill the class”. UVA just isn’t big enough to accept enough qualified students from this area, so kids get more excited about other schools that are more likely to like them back.

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How dare you. That university whose repute and name recognition, not to mention its unmatched illustrious history, is on the RISE! Yes, you read that right, if you can even read. RISE! Rising in reputation, rising in popularity, rising in its appeal to ALL. Why are you so jealous?

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Anonymous wrote:Many top students from northern VA are losing interest in UVA because it’s such a crapshoot. You can take all the hard classes, do all the EC’s, get the grades, and still get shut out because the institution needs a 1st Gen student from Danville to help “fill the class”. UVA just isn’t big enough to accept enough qualified students from this area, so kids get more excited about other schools that are more likely to like them back.

They don’t need a 1st gen student from Danville, they want one. UVA is a school for all Virginians. It’s a big state. Get out of your cul de sac every now and then.

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Anonymous wrote:No. UVA is now, and has always been, a top 25 school, and one of the top 5 public schools in the country.

It used to be a t15 school and as of late is falling out of the t25.

If you are referring to the US news rankings, then you had simply have no idea what you’re talking about. Yes when the rankings first came out UVA was firmly inside the top 20, but at that time the rankings were strictly reputational rankings. Since then the formula has changed several times and taking many things into account, but if you look at UVA’s reputation ranking alone in US News - which is still one that a point among many in its formula - it’s still well within the top 20, and its overall US News ranking has been consistently in the mid 20s for years. There’s no evidence at all that it’s dropping.

These statistics are easily verifiable with a little bit of research. In other words, one of us knows what they’re talking about and the other one is talking out of their ass.

Seriously. It’s been ranked between 20 and 25 every year since 1997, with the exception of two years. Some of you should just fire up that old Google machine before commenting.

So...it hasn't been ranked between 20 and 25 every year. And it used to be ranked higher (t15 school).

It was only ranked 15 in 1985 when they ranked far fewer schools. It was only in the top 20 in the early-mid 90s when they ranked far fewer schools, and some years it was above 20 even then (88-89 and 91-93). Since the rankings expanded, it has been between 20 and 25. Again, Google is your friend.

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Anonymous wrote:No. UVA is now, and has always been, a top 25 school, and one of the top 5 public schools in the country.

It used to be a t15 school and as of late is falling out of the t25.

If you are referring to the US news rankings, then you had simply have no idea what you’re talking about. Yes when the rankings first came out UVA was firmly inside the top 20, but at that time the rankings were strictly reputational rankings. Since then the formula has changed several times and taking many things into account, but if you look at UVA’s reputation ranking alone in US News - which is still one that a point among many in its formula - it’s still well within the top 20, and its overall US News ranking has been consistently in the mid 20s for years. There’s no evidence at all that it’s dropping.

These statistics are easily verifiable with a little bit of research. In other words, one of us knows what they’re talking about and the other one is talking out of their ass.

Seriously. It’s been ranked between 20 and 25 every year since 1997, with the exception of two years. Some of you should just fire up that old Google machine before commenting.

So...it hasn't been ranked between 20 and 25 every year. And it used to be ranked higher (t15 school).

It was only ranked 15 in 1985 when they ranked far fewer schools. It was only in the top 20 in the early-mid 90s when they ranked far fewer schools, and some years it was above 20 even then (88-89 and 91-93). Since the rankings expanded, it has been between 20 and 25. Again, Google is your friend.

In recent years it has fallen out of the top 25. Google is your friend.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm from the west coast and never heard about it until many years after moving here and even then thought it wasn't a big deal.

Funny. I’m from the Bay Area and knew several kids that had UVA as a top choice (or in their top list if not first).

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Anonymous wrote:My kid went to Arizona State University over UVA. Said UVA is primarily Virginia residents and being from Virginia, wanted to escape.

Translation: your Kid did not get into UVA

Nope, they did. Not everybody holds UVA on a pedestal.

Last year Arizona State accepted 92% of its in-state applicants and nearly 90% of its out of state applicants. They let just about anybody in! If you are so foolish as to attend a school like that over a selective university then that’s on you not UVA

And this is why UVA’s reputation is declining. They stand behind a moat shouting “go away! Go away! You can’t come in!” And then wonder why everyone is going somewhere else.

This is nonsensical. It’s like the Yogi Berra quote “nobody goes there anymore…it’s too popular”.

You can’t have applications increasing and acceptance rates declining…and then claim “everyone is going somewhere else” and the reputation is declining.

OP was noting that people talk about UVA less these days. And they do, because they’re going somewhere else. “Reputation” isn’t just how many children you turn away. It’s how many people think of you again after they grow up.

Again…nonsensical. They still accept and matriculate the same number of kids…they just have more applying.

Not following your logic at all.

When the state population is growing, but your school is staying the same size, it is losing ground.

No, that makes no sense. Harvard’s undergrad enrollment has barely budged for decades, despite the US population and number of people going to college increasing substantially during that time. By your logic, this is evidence of Harvard losing ground.

Few top schools have kept their enrollment growth up with population growth. That’s not a reflection of their reputation.
DP.

Harvard, a private school, can't be compared to a huge state school like UVA. Government ownership means different standards and rules.

It absolutely can when the logic of your argument is: growing population + same size school = losing reputation. The logic is flawed.

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Anonymous wrote:My kid went to Arizona State University over UVA. Said UVA is primarily Virginia residents and being from Virginia, wanted to escape.

Translation: your Kid did not get into UVA

Nope, they did. Not everybody holds UVA on a pedestal.

Well if they did and went to Arizona State instead then I’m sorry they’re idiots and so are you.

Why would someone want to escape Virginia residents? We may never know.

Sounds smart to leave actually.

+1 would rather be at ASU

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Anonymous wrote:My kid went to Arizona State University over UVA. Said UVA is primarily Virginia residents and being from Virginia, wanted to escape.

Translation: your Kid did not get into UVA

Nope, they did. Not everybody holds UVA on a pedestal.

Last year Arizona State accepted 92% of its in-state applicants and nearly 90% of its out of state applicants. They let just about anybody in! If you are so foolish as to attend a school like that over a selective university then that’s on you not UVA

And this is why UVA’s reputation is declining. They stand behind a moat shouting “go away! Go away! You can’t come in!” And then wonder why everyone is going somewhere else.

This is nonsensical. It’s like the Yogi Berra quote “nobody goes there anymore…it’s too popular”.

You can’t have applications increasing and acceptance rates declining…and then claim “everyone is going somewhere else” and the reputation is declining.

OP was noting that people talk about UVA less these days. And they do, because they’re going somewhere else. “Reputation” isn’t just how many children you turn away. It’s how many people think of you again after they grow up.

Again…nonsensical. They still accept and matriculate the same number of kids…they just have more applying.

Not following your logic at all.

When the state population is growing, but your school is staying the same size, it is losing ground.

No, that makes no sense. Harvard’s undergrad enrollment has barely budged for decades, despite the US population and number of people going to college increasing substantially during that time. By your logic, this is evidence of Harvard losing ground.

Few top schools have kept their enrollment growth up with population growth. That’s not a reflection of their reputation.
DP.

Harvard, a private school, can't be compared to a huge state school like UVA. Government ownership means different standards and rules.

It absolutely can when the logic of your argument is: growing population + same size school = losing reputation. The logic is flawed.

I'm a new poster and no, it can't, sorry! State schools are always expanding, as is often mandated by the government, to whom they must answer.

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Anonymous wrote:No. UVA is now, and has always been, a top 25 school, and one of the top 5 public schools in the country.

It used to be a t15 school and as of late is falling out of the t25.

If you are referring to the US news rankings, then you had simply have no idea what you’re talking about. Yes when the rankings first came out UVA was firmly inside the top 20, but at that time the rankings were strictly reputational rankings. Since then the formula has changed several times and taking many things into account, but if you look at UVA’s reputation ranking alone in US News - which is still one that a point among many in its formula - it’s still well within the top 20, and its overall US News ranking has been consistently in the mid 20s for years. There’s no evidence at all that it’s dropping.

These statistics are easily verifiable with a little bit of research. In other words, one of us knows what they’re talking about and the other one is talking out of their ass.

Seriously. It’s been ranked between 20 and 25 every year since 1997, with the exception of two years. Some of you should just fire up that old Google machine before commenting.

So...it hasn't been ranked between 20 and 25 every year. And it used to be ranked higher (t15 school).

It was only ranked 15 in 1985 when they ranked far fewer schools. It was only in the top 20 in the early-mid 90s when they ranked far fewer schools, and some years it was above 20 even then (88-89 and 91-93). Since the rankings expanded, it has been between 20 and 25. Again, Google is your friend.

In recent years it has fallen out of the top 25. Google is your friend.

And that’s why I mentioned in the previous comment that there were two years (2020-21, and actually a third in 2016) where it wasn’t between 20-25. Since then it has been back between 20-25.

Reading is your friend in addition to Google.

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Anonymous wrote:No. UVA is now, and has always been, a top 25 school, and one of the top 5 public schools in the country.

It used to be a t15 school and as of late is falling out of the t25.

If you are referring to the US news rankings, then you had simply have no idea what you’re talking about. Yes when the rankings first came out UVA was firmly inside the top 20, but at that time the rankings were strictly reputational rankings. Since then the formula has changed several times and taking many things into account, but if you look at UVA’s reputation ranking alone in US News - which is still one that a point among many in its formula - it’s still well within the top 20, and its overall US News ranking has been consistently in the mid 20s for years. There’s no evidence at all that it’s dropping.

These statistics are easily verifiable with a little bit of research. In other words, one of us knows what they’re talking about and the other one is talking out of their ass.

Seriously. It’s been ranked between 20 and 25 every year since 1997, with the exception of two years. Some of you should just fire up that old Google machine before commenting.

So...it hasn't been ranked between 20 and 25 every year. And it used to be ranked higher (t15 school).

It was only ranked 15 in 1985 when they ranked far fewer schools. It was only in the top 20 in the early-mid 90s when they ranked far fewer schools, and some years it was above 20 even then (88-89 and 91-93). Since the rankings expanded, it has been between 20 and 25. Again, Google is your friend.

In recent years it has fallen out of the top 25. Google is your friend.

And that’s why I mentioned in the previous comment that there were two years (2020-21, and actually a third in 2016) where it wasn’t between 20-25. Since then it has been back between 20-25.

Reading is your friend in addition to Google.

What I'm hearing, and what the data says, is that UVA used to be ranked 15th, then was ranked between 20-25, and in recent years has started to fall out of the t25 all together.

Logic and reason are clearly not your friends.

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Anonymous wrote:My kid went to Arizona State University over UVA. Said UVA is primarily Virginia residents and being from Virginia, wanted to escape.

Translation: your Kid did not get into UVA

Nope, they did. Not everybody holds UVA on a pedestal.

Last year Arizona State accepted 92% of its in-state applicants and nearly 90% of its out of state applicants. They let just about anybody in! If you are so foolish as to attend a school like that over a selective university then that’s on you not UVA

And this is why UVA’s reputation is declining. They stand behind a moat shouting “go away! Go away! You can’t come in!” And then wonder why everyone is going somewhere else.

This is nonsensical. It’s like the Yogi Berra quote “nobody goes there anymore…it’s too popular”.

You can’t have applications increasing and acceptance rates declining…and then claim “everyone is going somewhere else” and the reputation is declining.

OP was noting that people talk about UVA less these days. And they do, because they’re going somewhere else. “Reputation” isn’t just how many children you turn away. It’s how many people think of you again after they grow up.

Again…nonsensical. They still accept and matriculate the same number of kids…they just have more applying.

Not following your logic at all.

When the state population is growing, but your school is staying the same size, it is losing ground.

No, that makes no sense. Harvard’s undergrad enrollment has barely budged for decades, despite the US population and number of people going to college increasing substantially during that time. By your logic, this is evidence of Harvard losing ground.

Few top schools have kept their enrollment growth up with population growth. That’s not a reflection of their reputation.
DP.

Harvard, a private school, can't be compared to a huge state school like UVA. Government ownership means different standards and rules.

It absolutely can when the logic of your argument is: growing population + same size school = losing reputation. The logic is flawed.

I'm a new poster and no, it can't, sorry! State schools are always expanding, as is often mandated by the government, to whom they must answer.

And that has nothing to do with whether the school’s reputation is falling. You seem to have missed what the argument was. Sorry!