Is UVA's reputation declining?

[Anonymous]

I feel like UVA's reputation is declining amongst some in NOVA? Seems like it's becoming more of a niche place for a specific kind of student than a catch all for smart kids across the spectrum? Has anyone else noticed this?

[Anonymous]

No. What has increased is the frustration with getting in, and thus, it just isn’t a discussed option for many. Many frustrated parents on DCUM talk about the state not supporting instate students because they don’t expand UVA and lower their standards.

[Anonymous]

I also think this is no longer a DMV board: the oos folks do not esteem UVA the same way, especially for the price (nor do their kids, as UVA’s poor oos yield demonstrates).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:No. What has increased is the frustration with getting in, and thus, it just isn’t a discussed option for many. Many frustrated parents on DCUM talk about the state not supporting instate students because they don’t expand UVA and lower their standards.

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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I also think this is no longer a DMV board: the oos folks do not esteem UVA the same way, especially for the price (nor do their kids, as UVA’s poor oos yield demonstrates).

This is not true. Most of UVA’s applications and application growth is from OOS. If people OOS didn’t esteem a UVA education, those statistics wouldn’t be what they are. As for yield, OOS is lower for obvious reasons - higher tuition and higher admission standards than instate, meaning that those who are accepted have other good options. But, this is nothing new. I’m sure that Michigan’s OOS yield is lower than its instate yield.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I also think this is no longer a DMV board: the oos folks do not esteem UVA the same way, especially for the price (nor do their kids, as UVA’s poor oos yield demonstrates).

This is not true. Most of UVA’s applications and application growth is from OOS. If people OOS didn’t esteem a UVA education, those statistics wouldn’t be what they are. As for yield, OOS is lower for obvious reasons - higher tuition and higher admission standards than instate, meaning that those who are accepted have other good options. But, this is nothing new. I’m sure that Michigan’s OOS yield is lower than its instate yield.

UVA yield oos is inconsistent with UVA being a prestigious school. Period. Michigan has higher oos yield. You sound like you are from Virginia. You Virginians’ outsized sense of UVA’s prestige bemuses those of us not from “southern” states.

[Anonymous]

I’m in the Midwest and think highly of UVA. Several kids from area schools are headed there in the fall. I think the top state schools will continue to rise in reputation as more smart kids attend due to either being shut out of top privates or rising costs of privates.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I also think this is no longer a DMV board: the oos folks do not esteem UVA the same way, especially for the price (nor do their kids, as UVA’s poor oos yield demonstrates).

This is not true. Most of UVA’s applications and application growth is from OOS. If people OOS didn’t esteem a UVA education, those statistics wouldn’t be what they are. As for yield, OOS is lower for obvious reasons - higher tuition and higher admission standards than instate, meaning that those who are accepted have other good options. But, this is nothing new. I’m sure that Michigan’s OOS yield is lower than its instate yield.

UVA yield oos is inconsistent with UVA being a prestigious school. Period. Michigan has higher oos yield. You sound like you are from Virginia. You Virginians’ outsized sense of UVA’s prestige bemuses those of us not from “southern” states.

I am from NY and rather than feeling “bemused” by UVA I am feeling envious that they have such an incredible flagship while we have SUNY crap. And yes, dc will be applying there next fall.

[Anonymous]

If there is a knock it is that it isn't seen as cutting edge across STEM, which gets so much attention. This is in contrast to schools like UCs, Michigan, Texas, Georgia Tech.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I also think this is no longer a DMV board: the oos folks do not esteem UVA the same way, especially for the price (nor do their kids, as UVA’s poor oos yield demonstrates).

This is not true. Most of UVA’s applications and application growth is from OOS. If people OOS didn’t esteem a UVA education, those statistics wouldn’t be what they are. As for yield, OOS is lower for obvious reasons - higher tuition and higher admission standards than instate, meaning that those who are accepted have other good options. But, this is nothing new. I’m sure that Michigan’s OOS yield is lower than its instate yield.

Even W&M has higher OOS yield

[Anonymous]

No, it hasn't been that great at any point in recent history. I remember in the 80s or 90s it was t20, I think even #15 in the country at one point according to US News. It's been in decline for a while and I think in the early 2000s it really settled into the plateau/slow decline it currently is in.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I also think this is no longer a DMV board: the oos folks do not esteem UVA the same way, especially for the price (nor do their kids, as UVA’s poor oos yield demonstrates).

This is not true. Most of UVA’s applications and application growth is from OOS. If people OOS didn’t esteem a UVA education, those statistics wouldn’t be what they are. As for yield, OOS is lower for obvious reasons - higher tuition and higher admission standards than instate, meaning that those who are accepted have other good options. But, this is nothing new. I’m sure that Michigan’s OOS yield is lower than its instate yield.

Even W&M has higher OOS yield

OOS yield is relatively low because it is a private school level cost public school competing against private schools offering more generous aid, lower cost in state publics, and other OOS publics giving merit.

[Anonymous]

UVA and UNC are the only 2 state flagships that meet full need for out of state students. OOS child was admitted to both, UVA cost 3 times as much as UNC. Several parents have told me nightmare stories of dealing with FA office at UVA, including a student from Connecticut having to take a bus to Charlottesville and sit in FA Office because that was the only way to get anyone to talk to them.

So while UVA encourages top students with need to apply their follow through is severely lacking, obviously this increases applications and lowers OOS yield.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I also think this is no longer a DMV board: the oos folks do not esteem UVA the same way, especially for the price (nor do their kids, as UVA’s poor oos yield demonstrates).

This is not true. Most of UVA’s applications and application growth is from OOS. If people OOS didn’t esteem a UVA education, those statistics wouldn’t be what they are. As for yield, OOS is lower for obvious reasons - higher tuition and higher admission standards than instate, meaning that those who are accepted have other good options. But, this is nothing new. I’m sure that Michigan’s OOS yield is lower than its instate yield.

Even W&M has higher OOS yield

OOS yield is relatively low because it is a private school level cost public school competing against private schools offering more generous aid, lower cost in state publics, and other OOS publics giving merit.

W&M and UVA cost about the same

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:UVA and UNC are the only 2 state flagships that meet full need for out of state students. OOS child was admitted to both, UVA cost 3 times as much as UNC. Several parents have told me nightmare stories of dealing with FA office at UVA, including a student from Connecticut having to take a bus to Charlottesville and sit in FA Office because that was the only way to get anyone to talk to them.

So while UVA encourages top students with need to apply their follow through is severely lacking, obviously this increases applications and lowers OOS yield.

It likely isn't follow through. It is other schools are offering more grant aid vs. loans.