Is UVA's reputation declining?

Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:Declining? Hardly.

https://news.virginia.edu/content/uvas-56th-rhodes-scholar-targets-2-oxford-degrees-medical-school



A story about one student is pretty irrelevant and looks a bit desperate.


57 students actually


The numbers of students who got a specific scholarship in the entire history of UVA doesn’t address the question of this thread. It is pretty irrelevant.


Not true. The thread asks “is UVA’s reputation declining?” Consistently winning Rhodes Scholarships - the most prestigious award that an undergraduate can win and a good proxy for reputation - shows that it is not.


Do you realize what a Rhodes Scholarship is? You get to study at Oxford, which has a great reputation.

Having 57 over the entire history of UVA is pretty weak. Harvard recently had 10 in a single year, class of 2024.

If anything, this shows the declining reputation of UVA.


One of the most frustrating things about this forum is that so many posters are deliberately either comparative or obtuse.

No one, including me is suggesting that UVA is Harvard. No one is Harvard. There is no other university in the country that has nearly as many Rhodes as Harvard.

But beyond Harvard, these are the top 10 institutions, in ranked order, of Rhodes winners:

Yale
Princeton
Stanford
West Point
Dartmouth
Brown
Virginia
Chicago
US Naval Academy
MIT

UVA continues to win Rhodes virtually every year, and often has more than one winner in a year.

If its reputation were “declining” this wouldn’t be happening.


That is kind of like arguing the U.S. isn't in decline solely because Williamsburg in Brooklyn is thriving.
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Anonymous wrote:Declining? Hardly.

https://news.virginia.edu/content/uvas-56th-rhodes-scholar-targets-2-oxford-degrees-medical-school



A story about one student is pretty irrelevant and looks a bit desperate.


57 students actually


The numbers of students who got a specific scholarship in the entire history of UVA doesn’t address the question of this thread. It is pretty irrelevant.


Not true. The thread asks “is UVA’s reputation declining?” Consistently winning Rhodes Scholarships - the most prestigious award that an undergraduate can win and a good proxy for reputation - shows that it is not.


Do you realize what a Rhodes Scholarship is? You get to study at Oxford, which has a great reputation.

Having 57 over the entire history of UVA is pretty weak. Harvard recently had 10 in a single year, class of 2024.

If anything, this shows the declining reputation of UVA.


One of the most frustrating things about this forum is that so many posters are deliberately either comparative or obtuse.

No one, including me is suggesting that UVA is Harvard. No one is Harvard. There is no other university in the country that has nearly as many Rhodes as Harvard.

But beyond Harvard, these are the top 10 institutions, in ranked order, of Rhodes winners:

Yale
Princeton
Stanford
West Point
Dartmouth
Brown
Virginia
Chicago
US Naval Academy
MIT

UVA continues to win Rhodes virtually every year, and often has more than one winner in a year.

If its reputation were “declining” this wouldn’t be happening.


That is kind of like arguing the U.S. isn't in decline solely because Williamsburg in Brooklyn is thriving.


Nope. Dumb analogy.
Anonymous
My son got into engineering schools at UVA and UIUC from a very competitive HS in NOVA. He preferred UVA until he studied carefully the 2 programs, and eventually chose UIUC. The range and depth of the engineering curricula at UVA are mediocre at best. We happened to encounter some graduate students in UVA's engineering labs, and their undergraduate credentials and graduate research were shockingly unimpressive. UVA engineering charges $10k more than its Arts & Science for that?!
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:My son got into engineering schools at UVA and UIUC from a very competitive HS in NOVA. He preferred UVA until he studied carefully the 2 programs, and eventually chose UIUC. The range and depth of the engineering curricula at UVA are mediocre at best. We happened to encounter some graduate students in UVA's engineering labs, and their undergraduate credentials and graduate research were shockingly unimpressive. UVA engineering charges $10k more than its Arts & Science for that?!


Engineering at UVA has not been in decline. It was never big or strong compared to UIUC. Other than a few schools that are pretty strong across the board (but still have weaknesses), most schools have strengths and weaknesses. UVA is stronger than UIUC in law and graduate business. UIUC is stronger across the board in engineering.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:Declining? Hardly.

https://news.virginia.edu/content/uvas-56th-rhodes-scholar-targets-2-oxford-degrees-medical-school



A story about one student is pretty irrelevant and looks a bit desperate.


57 students actually


The numbers of students who got a specific scholarship in the entire history of UVA doesn’t address the question of this thread. It is pretty irrelevant.


Not true. The thread asks “is UVA’s reputation declining?” Consistently winning Rhodes Scholarships - the most prestigious award that an undergraduate can win and a good proxy for reputation - shows that it is not.


The Rhodes scholarship is not the most prestigious award an undergrad can win. That is lunacy.

It is for undergrads to get a free masters degree (non-professional) at oxford requiring them to move there and attend school there.

Most undergrads have zero interest in this and would not apply. For example, if you know what you want to do, why would you waste years getting a useless masters degree?

Students going directly into professional grad school, or with a nice job lined up, or a plan for after college, would view this as pointless.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Declining? Hardly.

https://news.virginia.edu/content/uvas-56th-rhodes-scholar-targets-2-oxford-degrees-medical-school



A story about one student is pretty irrelevant and looks a bit desperate.


57 students actually


The numbers of students who got a specific scholarship in the entire history of UVA doesn’t address the question of this thread. It is pretty irrelevant.


Not true. The thread asks “is UVA’s reputation declining?” Consistently winning Rhodes Scholarships - the most prestigious award that an undergraduate can win and a good proxy for reputation - shows that it is not.


The Rhodes scholarship is not the most prestigious award an undergrad can win. That is lunacy.

It is for undergrads to get a free masters degree (non-professional) at oxford requiring them to move there and attend school there.

Most undergrads have zero interest in this and would not apply. For example, if you know what you want to do, why would you waste years getting a useless masters degree?

Students going directly into professional grad school, or with a nice job lined up, or a plan for after college, would view this as pointless.


Your response is laughable. Most undergrads “would not apply“ because they don’t have a snowballs chance in hell of ever winning one. Name me a more prestigious scholarship awarded to American undergraduates. I’ll wait.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Declining? Hardly.

https://news.virginia.edu/content/uvas-56th-rhodes-scholar-targets-2-oxford-degrees-medical-school



A story about one student is pretty irrelevant and looks a bit desperate.


57 students actually


The numbers of students who got a specific scholarship in the entire history of UVA doesn’t address the question of this thread. It is pretty irrelevant.


Not true. The thread asks “is UVA’s reputation declining?” Consistently winning Rhodes Scholarships - the most prestigious award that an undergraduate can win and a good proxy for reputation - shows that it is not.


The Rhodes scholarship is not the most prestigious award an undergrad can win. That is lunacy.

It is for undergrads to get a free masters degree (non-professional) at oxford requiring them to move there and attend school there.

Most undergrads have zero interest in this and would not apply. For example, if you know what you want to do, why would you waste years getting a useless masters degree?

Students going directly into professional grad school, or with a nice job lined up, or a plan for after college, would view this as pointless.


Your response is laughable. Most undergrads “would not apply“ because they don’t have a snowballs chance in hell of ever winning one. Name me a more prestigious scholarship awarded to American undergraduates. I’ll wait.


This is basically just admission to graduate school.

There are full scholarships given to top MD, JD, PhD, and MBA programs. I would say admission to Harvard or Hopkins MD-PhD program, which is fully paid and includes a stipend, is much more prestigious. As well as lots of other programs.
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Declining? Hardly.

https://news.virginia.edu/content/uvas-56th-rhodes-scholar-targets-2-oxford-degrees-medical-school



A story about one student is pretty irrelevant and looks a bit desperate.


57 students actually


The numbers of students who got a specific scholarship in the entire history of UVA doesn’t address the question of this thread. It is pretty irrelevant.


Not true. The thread asks “is UVA’s reputation declining?” Consistently winning Rhodes Scholarships - the most prestigious award that an undergraduate can win and a good proxy for reputation - shows that it is not.


The Rhodes scholarship is not the most prestigious award an undergrad can win. That is lunacy.

It is for undergrads to get a free masters degree (non-professional) at oxford requiring them to move there and attend school there.

Most undergrads have zero interest in this and would not apply. For example, if you know what you want to do, why would you waste years getting a useless masters degree?

Students going directly into professional grad school, or with a nice job lined up, or a plan for after college, would view this as pointless.


Your response is laughable. Most undergrads “would not apply“ because they don’t have a snowballs chance in hell of ever winning one. Name me a more prestigious scholarship awarded to American undergraduates. I’ll wait.


This is basically just admission to graduate school.

There are full scholarships given to top MD, JD, PhD, and MBA programs. I would say admission to Harvard or Hopkins MD-PhD program, which is fully paid and includes a stipend, is much more prestigious. As well as lots of other programs.


Ok, this is absurd. Some of you are just looking to argue.

Admissions to a Hopkins MD/PhD program is prestigious and admirable but it is a SUPER, SUPER self-selected population. Almost no physicians want to do a PhD in addition to the 4 years of an MD. They have no interest in bench science. It's prestigious because it takes brains and drive but if anything, wanting to do the PhD is a HOOK for med school admissions.

Signed, someone who has 2 immediate family members who are MD/PhDs. One from Hopkins.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Declining? Hardly.

https://news.virginia.edu/content/uvas-56th-rhodes-scholar-targets-2-oxford-degrees-medical-school



A story about one student is pretty irrelevant and looks a bit desperate.


57 students actually


The numbers of students who got a specific scholarship in the entire history of UVA doesn’t address the question of this thread. It is pretty irrelevant.


Not true. The thread asks “is UVA’s reputation declining?” Consistently winning Rhodes Scholarships - the most prestigious award that an undergraduate can win and a good proxy for reputation - shows that it is not.


The Rhodes scholarship is not the most prestigious award an undergrad can win. That is lunacy.

It is for undergrads to get a free masters degree (non-professional) at oxford requiring them to move there and attend school there.

Most undergrads have zero interest in this and would not apply. For example, if you know what you want to do, why would you waste years getting a useless masters degree?

Students going directly into professional grad school, or with a nice job lined up, or a plan for after college, would view this as pointless.


Your response is laughable. Most undergrads “would not apply“ because they don’t have a snowballs chance in hell of ever winning one. Name me a more prestigious scholarship awarded to American undergraduates. I’ll wait.


This is basically just admission to graduate school.

There are full scholarships given to top MD, JD, PhD, and MBA programs. I would say admission to Harvard or Hopkins MD-PhD program, which is fully paid and includes a stipend, is much more prestigious. As well as lots of other programs.


Wharton MBA
Stanford JD
MIT PhD

The list goes on and on.
Anonymous
It's been declining for about 7 years. Charlottesville is going down hill and the college is mostly international students.
All their teams have gone down the drain ( with the exception of swimming)
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Declining? Hardly.

https://news.virginia.edu/content/uvas-56th-rhodes-scholar-targets-2-oxford-degrees-medical-school



A story about one student is pretty irrelevant and looks a bit desperate.


57 students actually


The numbers of students who got a specific scholarship in the entire history of UVA doesn’t address the question of this thread. It is pretty irrelevant.


Not true. The thread asks “is UVA’s reputation declining?” Consistently winning Rhodes Scholarships - the most prestigious award that an undergraduate can win and a good proxy for reputation - shows that it is not.


The Rhodes scholarship is not the most prestigious award an undergrad can win. That is lunacy.

It is for undergrads to get a free masters degree (non-professional) at oxford requiring them to move there and attend school there.

Most undergrads have zero interest in this and would not apply. For example, if you know what you want to do, why would you waste years getting a useless masters degree?

Students going directly into professional grad school, or with a nice job lined up, or a plan for after college, would view this as pointless.


I think Rhodes is the most prestigious post-graduation scholarship, but it is far from the only one, and some have similar selectivity levels like the Gates Cambridge scholarship. Others include Fulbright, Truman, Marshall, Gates, and Goldwater.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:It's been declining for about 7 years. Charlottesville is going down hill and the college is mostly international students.
All their teams have gone down the drain ( with the exception of swimming)


If the swimming team goes down the drain, the pool will be empty.

Pretty sure the college is not mostly international students.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:It's been declining for about 7 years. Charlottesville is going down hill and the college is mostly international students.
All their teams have gone down the drain ( with the exception of swimming)


You are ignorant my friend.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Declining? Hardly.

https://news.virginia.edu/content/uvas-56th-rhodes-scholar-targets-2-oxford-degrees-medical-school



A story about one student is pretty irrelevant and looks a bit desperate.


57 students actually


The numbers of students who got a specific scholarship in the entire history of UVA doesn’t address the question of this thread. It is pretty irrelevant.


Not true. The thread asks “is UVA’s reputation declining?” Consistently winning Rhodes Scholarships - the most prestigious award that an undergraduate can win and a good proxy for reputation - shows that it is not.


Do you realize what a Rhodes Scholarship is? You get to study at Oxford, which has a great reputation.

Having 57 over the entire history of UVA is pretty weak. Harvard recently had 10 in a single year, class of 2024.

If anything, this shows the declining reputation of UVA.


UVA has the most Rhodes Scholars of any public university in the US.
Anonymous
The doltheads who had their precious kids rejected from UVA sure have a lot of time on their hands.
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