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That is kind of like arguing the U.S. isn't in decline solely because Williamsburg in Brooklyn is thriving. |
Nope. Dumb analogy. |
| My son got into engineering schools at UVA and UIUC from a very competitive HS in NOVA. He preferred UVA until he studied carefully the 2 programs, and eventually chose UIUC. The range and depth of the engineering curricula at UVA are mediocre at best. We happened to encounter some graduate students in UVA's engineering labs, and their undergraduate credentials and graduate research were shockingly unimpressive. UVA engineering charges $10k more than its Arts & Science for that?! |
Engineering at UVA has not been in decline. It was never big or strong compared to UIUC. Other than a few schools that are pretty strong across the board (but still have weaknesses), most schools have strengths and weaknesses. UVA is stronger than UIUC in law and graduate business. UIUC is stronger across the board in engineering. |
The Rhodes scholarship is not the most prestigious award an undergrad can win. That is lunacy. It is for undergrads to get a free masters degree (non-professional) at oxford requiring them to move there and attend school there. Most undergrads have zero interest in this and would not apply. For example, if you know what you want to do, why would you waste years getting a useless masters degree? Students going directly into professional grad school, or with a nice job lined up, or a plan for after college, would view this as pointless. |
Your response is laughable. Most undergrads “would not apply“ because they don’t have a snowballs chance in hell of ever winning one. Name me a more prestigious scholarship awarded to American undergraduates. I’ll wait. |
This is basically just admission to graduate school. There are full scholarships given to top MD, JD, PhD, and MBA programs. I would say admission to Harvard or Hopkins MD-PhD program, which is fully paid and includes a stipend, is much more prestigious. As well as lots of other programs. |
Ok, this is absurd. Some of you are just looking to argue. Admissions to a Hopkins MD/PhD program is prestigious and admirable but it is a SUPER, SUPER self-selected population. Almost no physicians want to do a PhD in addition to the 4 years of an MD. They have no interest in bench science. It's prestigious because it takes brains and drive but if anything, wanting to do the PhD is a HOOK for med school admissions. Signed, someone who has 2 immediate family members who are MD/PhDs. One from Hopkins. |
Wharton MBA Stanford JD MIT PhD The list goes on and on. |
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It's been declining for about 7 years. Charlottesville is going down hill and the college is mostly international students.
All their teams have gone down the drain ( with the exception of swimming) |
I think Rhodes is the most prestigious post-graduation scholarship, but it is far from the only one, and some have similar selectivity levels like the Gates Cambridge scholarship. Others include Fulbright, Truman, Marshall, Gates, and Goldwater. |
If the swimming team goes down the drain, the pool will be empty. Pretty sure the college is not mostly international students. |
You are ignorant my friend. |
UVA has the most Rhodes Scholars of any public university in the US. |
| The doltheads who had their precious kids rejected from UVA sure have a lot of time on their hands. |