The MAGA and Republican bubble

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Who is typing in this thread?

You are using the wrong words? WTH?

"Are" is not "our".

eevens?


Watching Fox right now. They are showing footage of the protests in several cities and asking people there what they are protesting... not that the answers they get from any of the protestors are coherent. But still, there's no news blackout.

This thread seems to be off the rails.

Then they are purposefully showing the idiots in the group to undermine the overall message and concern. That is called propaganda.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:These people are living in a bubble. They only consume information that supports their beliefs. No facts can sway them. Sadly they represent large communities so the bubble is very large. In this bubble, Trump is smart, tariffs are good, firing Government workers is OK, and Putin is favored over their own fellow Americans, who are Democrats.

Nothing can burst their bubble as it is so comfortable to have a community that agrees with all of your views. It does not challenge you.

You got things flipped

The bubble is the inside the beltway crowd and the McLean/bethesda urban elites

The servants are revolting and they can’t figure out what is going on

But the McLean/Bethesda "urban elites" aren't the ones who will suffer.

I’m not the PP but my God the DCUM bubble is strong.

You do not understand. The jobless, underemployed working class men of all races who voted Trump into office are already suffering. They were suffering under Biden. They suffered under Trump v1. They suffered under Obama.

They’ve reached the “smash it all up stage” because they do not have any hope. And of course McLean/Bethesda elites suffer if the stock market is destroyed. How could they not? They’ll lose value in their market holdings.

My guess is that if you polled that group, Trump’s favorability ratings under the tariffs have gone up, not down. What do they care if the stock market is destroyed? Their lives are already miserable.

DCUM Democrats struggle to understand that Trump represents a class struggle moment, in which DCUM Democrats are seen as the bad guys.

Welp, they are going to be suffering even more now, and particularly with no social safety nets. At least the Dems tried by getting more jobs created and trying to ensure clean air and water and cheaper medicine.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Who is typing in this thread?

You are using the wrong words? WTH?

"Are" is not "our".

eevens?


Watching Fox right now. They are showing footage of the protests in several cities and asking people there what they are protesting... not that the answers they get from any of the protestors are coherent. But still, there's no news blackout.

This thread seems to be off the rails.

Then they are purposefully showing the idiots in the group to undermine the overall message and concern. That is called propaganda.

DP. Okay, but you are shifting the goal posts. You said that Fox wasn’t covering the protests initially. But that was false. So now you are saying they are covering them but asking dumb protesters questions and that’s not fair or something.

Get your story straight.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:These people are living in a bubble. They only consume information that supports their beliefs. No facts can sway them. Sadly they represent large communities so the bubble is very large. In this bubble, Trump is smart, tariffs are good, firing Government workers is OK, and Putin is favored over their own fellow Americans, who are Democrats.

Nothing can burst their bubble as it is so comfortable to have a community that agrees with all of your views. It does not challenge you.

You got things flipped

The bubble is the inside the beltway crowd and the McLean/bethesda urban elites

The servants are revolting and they can’t figure out what is going on

But the McLean/Bethesda "urban elites" aren't the ones who will suffer.

I’m not the PP but my God the DCUM bubble is strong.

You do not understand. The jobless, underemployed working class men of all races who voted Trump into office are already suffering. They were suffering under Biden. They suffered under Trump v1. They suffered under Obama.

They’ve reached the “smash it all up stage” because they do not have any hope. And of course McLean/Bethesda elites suffer if the stock market is destroyed. How could they not? They’ll lose value in their market holdings.

My guess is that if you polled that group, Trump’s favorability ratings under the tariffs have gone up, not down. What do they care if the stock market is destroyed? Their lives are already miserable.

DCUM Democrats struggle to understand that Trump represents a class struggle moment, in which DCUM Democrats are seen as the bad guys.

Welp, they are going to be suffering even more now, and particularly with no social safety nets. At least the Dems tried by getting more jobs created and trying to ensure clean air and water and cheaper medicine.

Nobody except DCUM posters and a thin slice of registered Democrats actually believe this.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:These people are living in a bubble. They only consume information that supports their beliefs. No facts can sway them. Sadly they represent large communities so the bubble is very large. In this bubble, Trump is smart, tariffs are good, firing Government workers is OK, and Putin is favored over their own fellow Americans, who are Democrats.

Nothing can burst their bubble as it is so comfortable to have a community that agrees with all of your views. It does not challenge you.

The situation is far worse than you claim. Democrats are also in a delusional bubble in which they will fall for any lie as long as their leaders are the ones spreading it.

Just look at how allegedly intelligent Democrats on this forum lied to themselves and attacked others instead of admitting the obvious truth of Biden's impairment. Democrat insiders are confessing it all now, but anyone who wasn't a propagandized mouth breather should've been able to see that for themselves in real time.

and even in his impaired state, he ran a cleaner and more effective administration that did more for the American people than anything happening now.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I agree that there is a class struggle where the democrats are the bad guys, but I’d love to know which *current* republican policies are tangibly better for working class employees and don’t actually favor the ultra-wealthy more.

Don’t talk to me about Bill Clinton and NAFTA. Talk to me about 2025.

Mandate e-verify . Hold business accountable for hiring migrants over US citizens. Democrats refuse

Repeal OPT. Used to replace US citizens with cheap temporary labor. Democrats refuse

So do Republicans. They know their donors require illegal labor to exploit. That's why they prefer to villainize people just trying to survive, instead of the people exploiting them for profit.

Get rid of their access to jobs, you stop the illegal immigration. That much is obvious to anyone with a brain. Neither side is willing to really do anything about it, because MONEY. The democrats have their little song and dance. Republicans have theirs. But at the end of the day, both parties serve capital, and capital cares only about their profits.

exactly

but Democrats used to be the party of labor

no more

You blame the democrats for NAFTA, which Reagan/Bush negotiated for a decade and dumped in in clinton's lap...he had no choice but to sign it.
You blame the democrats for immigration, yet it is the democrats who have offered 4 materials bills over the last 25 years that the GOP has simply refused to support at each turn, that would address many of the problems.

It is the democrats who support minimum wages, health care, paths to education, worker rights and unions, workplace safety rules and a host of other things that benefits "labor"

Exactly what does the GOP propose to help labor?

[Anonymous]

No bubble for Democrats. "Biden has a stutter."

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:These people are living in a bubble. They only consume information that supports their beliefs. No facts can sway them. Sadly they represent large communities so the bubble is very large. In this bubble, Trump is smart, tariffs are good, firing Government workers is OK, and Putin is favored over their own fellow Americans, who are Democrats.

Nothing can burst their bubble as it is so comfortable to have a community that agrees with all of your views. It does not challenge you.

You got things flipped

The bubble is the inside the beltway crowd and the McLean/bethesda urban elites

The servants are revolting and they can’t figure out what is going on

But the McLean/Bethesda "urban elites" aren't the ones who will suffer.

I’m not the PP but my God the DCUM bubble is strong.

You do not understand. The jobless, underemployed working class men of all races who voted Trump into office are already suffering. They were suffering under Biden. They suffered under Trump v1. They suffered under Obama.

They’ve reached the “smash it all up stage” because they do not have any hope. And of course McLean/Bethesda elites suffer if the stock market is destroyed. How could they not? They’ll lose value in their market holdings.

My guess is that if you polled that group, Trump’s favorability ratings under the tariffs have gone up, not down. What do they care if the stock market is destroyed? Their lives are already miserable.

DCUM Democrats struggle to understand that Trump represents a class struggle moment, in which DCUM Democrats are seen as the bad guys.

Welp, they are going to be suffering even more now, and particularly with no social safety nets. At least the Dems tried by getting more jobs created and trying to ensure clean air and water and cheaper medicine.

We see how you get cheaper medicine. You pay off the drug companies. Cheaper to the end user at the expense of the tax payer. You democrats fully embrace subsidizing greed, as long as it's on your terms.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I just drove across most of the country. Compared to the first term, there are very few Trump signs out there. I think many Trump voters are very reachable if only Democrats had a message that resonated with the working and middle class. But Democrats don't. They have spent the past decade repelling vast swaths of voters. And living in DC, I can see that Democrats still have their heads in the sand. They reflexively blame stupidity, racism, and misogyny for their losses. They assume everyone living between DC and California are illiterate ogres.

But Democrats never address their own policy choices and the strength of their candidates. I suspect Democrats are just going to sit on their asses for 4 years and rely on the unpopularity of Trump to win elections. And that'll work for one election cycle. That's how Biden won. But if Trump isn't on the ballot, Democrats problems are going to get worse, not better. I think the progressive bubble is more destructive than the MAGA bubble. Democrats are the party of wealthy, progressive white elites and black women. That's a tiny little tent. Until Democrats get out of their own bubble and actually talk to middle class families and address the kitchen table issues - and fears - that most Americans deal with, the party will continue to slide into irrelevancy.

If Andy Bashear had given the same speeches in substance that Harris gave over the summer, he probably would have won. The issue isn't the message. The democrats campaigned on union rights and workers right, higher wages, taking on price gouging, providing more affordable housing etc. The GOP heard DEI and Trans and the rest of it got snuffed out by things like eating cats and dogs and other outrageous BS from the right that drew so much media attention.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:These people are living in a bubble. They only consume information that supports their beliefs. No facts can sway them. Sadly they represent large communities so the bubble is very large. In this bubble, Trump is smart, tariffs are good, firing Government workers is OK, and Putin is favored over their own fellow Americans, who are Democrats.

Nothing can burst their bubble as it is so comfortable to have a community that agrees with all of your views. It does not challenge you.

You got things flipped

The bubble is the inside the beltway crowd and the McLean/bethesda urban elites

The servants are revolting and they can’t figure out what is going on

But the McLean/Bethesda "urban elites" aren't the ones who will suffer.

I’m not the PP but my God the DCUM bubble is strong.

You do not understand. The jobless, underemployed working class men of all races who voted Trump into office are already suffering. They were suffering under Biden. They suffered under Trump v1. They suffered under Obama.

They’ve reached the “smash it all up stage” because they do not have any hope. And of course McLean/Bethesda elites suffer if the stock market is destroyed. How could they not? They’ll lose value in their market holdings.

My guess is that if you polled that group, Trump’s favorability ratings under the tariffs have gone up, not down. What do they care if the stock market is destroyed? Their lives are already miserable.

DCUM Democrats struggle to understand that Trump represents a class struggle moment, in which DCUM Democrats are seen as the bad guys.

Welp, they are going to be suffering even more now, and particularly with no social safety nets. At least the Dems tried by getting more jobs created and trying to ensure clean air and water and cheaper medicine.

We see how you get cheaper medicine. You pay off the drug companies. Cheaper to the end user at the expense of the tax payer. You democrats fully embrace subsidizing greed, as long as it's on your terms.

I guess you simply prefer more expensive medicine then?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:These people are living in a bubble. They only consume information that supports their beliefs. No facts can sway them. Sadly they represent large communities so the bubble is very large. In this bubble, Trump is smart, tariffs are good, firing Government workers is OK, and Putin is favored over their own fellow Americans, who are Democrats.

Nothing can burst their bubble as it is so comfortable to have a community that agrees with all of your views. It does not challenge you.

You got things flipped

The bubble is the inside the beltway crowd and the McLean/bethesda urban elites

The servants are revolting and they can’t figure out what is going on

But the McLean/Bethesda "urban elites" aren't the ones who will suffer.

I’m not the PP but my God the DCUM bubble is strong.

You do not understand. The jobless, underemployed working class men of all races who voted Trump into office are already suffering. They were suffering under Biden. They suffered under Trump v1. They suffered under Obama.

They’ve reached the “smash it all up stage” because they do not have any hope. And of course McLean/Bethesda elites suffer if the stock market is destroyed. How could they not? They’ll lose value in their market holdings.

My guess is that if you polled that group, Trump’s favorability ratings under the tariffs have gone up, not down. What do they care if the stock market is destroyed? Their lives are already miserable.

DCUM Democrats struggle to understand that Trump represents a class struggle moment, in which DCUM Democrats are seen as the bad guys.

Maybe these men wouldn’t have needed up in this situation if they had gotten a damn education or been willing to relocate for a job. Instead they were the types who goofed off in high school and made fun of people who studied hard. No one owes you a well paying job in the small town you grew up in. Smart people know you get an education and move to where the opportunity is. It’s the ultimate entitlement to think someone should bring opportunities to you. Times change and you adapt or get left behind. Screw them.

This!!!
It is the height of privilege to be whining about the loss of manufacturing jobs for half a century. Hollywood spent a lot of time dwelling on the costs of the decline of steel and factory jobs in the 80s. The country mourned with Hollywood and moved on. Time for these young men to focus on being serious and responsible.

This attitude is exactly why we have huge populations of angry and disaffected people. Increases in overdoses and deaths of despair. Senseless violence. Criminality. Just a general breakdown of the social contract.

We have to stop with the rugged individualism. We need to remember what it is to be a community and to take care of each other. Our response to folks telling us they are struggling cannot be "screw you." That's literally how we got Trump.

Everyone is struggling. Most people want to do their best. But hurt people hurt people. People with no hope do not make good long term decisions. People whose needs aren't met begin to hate anyone they see as competition for resources.

This is why MAGA works. If we stop looking down on these people with derision, listen to their struggles and address them, they'd be far less angry and fearful. You can't just say "screw you" to entire populations of people and expect it not to eventually affect everyone.

People who are economically disaffected belong in the Democratic Party. That is the party that actually cares about people who have been sidelined.

Democrats are for the people, and Republicans are for big business.

No. Democrats SAY they are for the people. At the end of the day, they are just as in bed with moneyed interests as Republicans. They serve as a pressure release for opposition to the wealthy class, paying lipservice and doing symbolic acts. But when is the last time anything Democrats did that actually helped you or anyone you know? And if you say the freaking ACA, I'll remind you that that legislation is 15 years old now and a shell of the original vision. They've campaigning on a $15 minimum wage most of my life, yet it never materializes and is a goal a decade out of date.

Uh, Infrastructure Act which provides jobs and makes it so people can get to work easier, so our ports work more efficiently etc, CHIPS Act which brings manufacturing jobs back to the US, drug price reduction, support of unions and collective bargaining, clean air and clean water, etc. Plenty the Democrats have concretely done for every American but specifically working class Americans.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Many liberals finally woke up and realized, “MAGA” is really just a mature version of the conservative (confederate) movement post new deal and civil right act. You’ve been in a cold political war for nearly 50-60 years, you lost the war, and they didn’t have to fire a shot.

Conservatives have a firm control of most aspects of American life and liberals are out of position to respond other than protesting and filibustering. Assuming you have fair elections again (your future: see NC Supreme Court ballot dispute), it will take liberals decades to unwind the damage.


Areas of dominant right wing control:
-US government and more than half of US state governships and legislators
-Media and communications (Facebook, Twitter, Sinclair Media, Instagram)
-Education: federal funds will be use to control education programming. Already happening at the prestigious institutions like Columbia and Harvard.
-Courts and the “justice” system
-Arts and Culture
-Military and law enforcement
-Health
-Science

Soon to be lost:
-Independent monetary policy
-Due process
-Fair(ish) elections
-Civil rights
-Freedom of religion
-Basic human rights for non-white conservative Christian men
-Citizenship

What a bunch of nonsense

Inflation and immigration where the reasons democrats lost

Immigration would have been so easy to stop. Trump did it within a month. Biden said there was nothing he could do for 3 1/2 years. Until there was something he could do. It was a policy decision to expand immigration by democrats and they lost because of it

Fools

Inflation - caused by Trump horrid mismanagement of COVID and made better by the Biden Administration. The US had the lowest inflation rates in the world and hence the Biden economy was dubbed the "envy of the world" just last summer.
Immigration- yes, it is an issue that needs a legislative fix. Why has the GOP tanked the immigration reform bills the last severeral times one was crafted and voted on?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Many liberals finally woke up and realized, “MAGA” is really just a mature version of the conservative (confederate) movement post new deal and civil right act. You’ve been in a cold political war for nearly 50-60 years, you lost the war, and they didn’t have to fire a shot.

Conservatives have a firm control of most aspects of American life and liberals are out of position to respond other than protesting and filibustering. Assuming you have fair elections again (your future: see NC Supreme Court ballot dispute), it will take liberals decades to unwind the damage.


Areas of dominant right wing control:
-US government and more than half of US state governships and legislators
-Media and communications (Facebook, Twitter, Sinclair Media, Instagram)
-Education: federal funds will be use to control education programming. Already happening at the prestigious institutions like Columbia and Harvard.
-Courts and the “justice” system
-Arts and Culture
-Military and law enforcement
-Health
-Science

Soon to be lost:
-Independent monetary policy
-Due process
-Fair(ish) elections
-Civil rights
-Freedom of religion
-Basic human rights for non-white conservative Christian men
-Citizenship

What a bunch of nonsense

Inflation and immigration where the reasons democrats lost

Immigration would have been so easy to stop. Trump did it within a month. Biden said there was nothing he could do for 3 1/2 years. Until there was something he could do. It was a policy decision to expand immigration by democrats and they lost because of it

Fools

Trump did nothing of the sort. When Biden left office, the illegal crossings were to 2019 levels, you know, when Trump was in office before.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:These people are living in a bubble. They only consume information that supports their beliefs. No facts can sway them. Sadly they represent large communities so the bubble is very large. In this bubble, Trump is smart, tariffs are good, firing Government workers is OK, and Putin is favored over their own fellow Americans, who are Democrats.

Nothing can burst their bubble as it is so comfortable to have a community that agrees with all of your views. It does not challenge you.

You got things flipped

The bubble is the inside the beltway crowd and the McLean/bethesda urban elites

The servants are revolting and they can’t figure out what is going on

But the McLean/Bethesda "urban elites" aren't the ones who will suffer.

I’m not the PP but my God the DCUM bubble is strong.

You do not understand. The jobless, underemployed working class men of all races who voted Trump into office are already suffering. They were suffering under Biden. They suffered under Trump v1. They suffered under Obama.

They’ve reached the “smash it all up stage” because they do not have any hope. And of course McLean/Bethesda elites suffer if the stock market is destroyed. How could they not? They’ll lose value in their market holdings.

My guess is that if you polled that group, Trump’s favorability ratings under the tariffs have gone up, not down. What do they care if the stock market is destroyed? Their lives are already miserable.

DCUM Democrats struggle to understand that Trump represents a class struggle moment, in which DCUM Democrats are seen as the bad guys.

Welp, they are going to be suffering even more now, and particularly with no social safety nets. At least the Dems tried by getting more jobs created and trying to ensure clean air and water and cheaper medicine.

Nobody except DCUM posters and a thin slice of registered Democrats actually believe this.

Truth hurts then, which is why people are willing to buy the slop trump sold them.

[Anonymous]

Maybe this is what Trump fixing illegal immigration looks like. Run the country into the ground so no one wants to come here.