Sorry, but i honestly don’t believe that you spent an otherwise beautiful weekend watching Fox News. I am not slow, I think you are a typical maga-pretending to be moderate dem. I do have to watch news occasionally because it’s all my dad will have on at his nursing home. It’s the same 7 stories repeated every hour, and most of them are not about the major issues impacting our country. I can tell my dad things that are going on in the world and he has no idea, because fox isn’t covering it. And their main website reflects that. That’s what a bubble looks like. Pretending minor events are major stories and thereby ensuring your viewers are not well informed is what creates a bubble. |
This attitude is exactly why we have huge populations of angry and disaffected people. Increases in overdoses and deaths of despair. Senseless violence. Criminality. Just a general breakdown of the social contract. We have to stop with the rugged individualism. We need to remember what it is to be a community and to take care of each other. Our response to folks telling us they are struggling cannot be "screw you." That's literally how we got Trump. Everyone is struggling. Most people want to do their best. But hurt people hurt people. People with no hope do not make good long term decisions. People whose needs aren't met begin to hate anyone they see as competition for resources. This is why MAGA works. If we stop looking down on these people with derision, listen to their struggles and address them, they'd be far less angry and fearful. You can't just say "screw you" to entire populations of people and expect it not to eventually affect everyone. |
We all have to band together to crush maga. Republicans, Democrats, Independents. Lefties and righties. Maga is poisonous and ruining the USA. |
People who are economically disaffected belong in the Democratic Party. That is the party that actually cares about people who have been sidelined. Democrats are for the people, and Republicans are for big business. |
The problem is not progressivism. Democrats are NOT PROGRESSIVE. In fact, the party is down right hostile to progressives. But you are right that the part has an elitism problem. Condescending to people will never win their votes. Telling them you know better than they do what they need is never going to win their votes. Funnily enough, actual progressive policies have massive appeal to the average voter. Most people can get behind bring down healthcare and pharmaceutical costs. Most people can get behind getting billionaires out of government and paying actual taxes. Most people can get behind stronger workers rights. These are actual progressive policies. Not the liberal BS the media has convinced you is actually progressivism. Progressive policy is about supporting working people. Dems and the GOP are hostile to such policy because they serve the rich. |
How does cutting Medicaid, increasing prices from tariffs or lowering taxes on people that make 500k+ help the not “elite” voters he claims to represent? |
No. Democrats SAY they are for the people. At the end of the day, they are just as in bed with moneyed interests as Republicans. They serve as a pressure release for opposition to the wealthy class, paying lipservice and doing symbolic acts. But when is the last time anything Democrats did that actually helped you or anyone you know? And if you say the freaking ACA, I'll remind you that that legislation is 15 years old now and a shell of the original vision. They've campaigning on a $15 minimum wage most of my life, yet it never materializes and is a goal a decade out of date. |
You are so sealed off and determined to remain that way that is amazing. And yes, I believe you are on the slower end. You couldn’t understand my post because the concepts in that post, the idea of deliberately consuming media outside the DCUM bubble, those concepts are complex and hard for you to understand. Let’s break it down a bit more concretely: Did you believe Harris was going to win? Did you believe her message of joy was resonating? Did you think Biden was competent, just a little tired? Were you shocked by the debate performance? Did you believe Iowa had a chance of going blue? Did you believe abortion would win the election for Harris? You don’t have to tell me that your answer to all of these is yes. I know it is, because you live in a tightly sealed bubble. But my answer to all of those questions is no, of course not. I knew months before the election that Trump was going to win, probably easily. I knew Biden was seriously incapacitated. I knew abortion wasn’t resonating as an issue. I knew the idea of Iowa being in play was laughable. Etc. Why? Specifically because I make efforts to consume media outside of DCUM-approved media. I listen to Rogan. I watch Fox. I also read the NYT, listen to Ezra Klein, etc. You cannot understand what is going on in this country if you consume DCUM-approved media only. They lie, they cover up, they have a clear ideological slant. Of course Fox is the king of that, but to pretend Fox is alone in that is just deliberate blindness. Take the issue of Biden’s incapacity. That should have been front-page, investigative journalism for DCUM media. But it wasn’t — in fact, they actively hid how incapacitated he was, choosing not to cover it. And yet, all the books coming out are proving what Fox (yes, Fox) and right wing media were saying about Biden months and months before the debate. There were videos of Biden clearly impaired available for months before the debate. But those videos only showed up on right wing media. If they showed up in left wing media or MSM, it was only to claim that they were manipulated videos. Spoiler alert: they weren’t. I saw all that because I consume media across the political spectrum. So the debate performance was what I expected; I knew by then that Biden was seriously impaired. But you don’t have to tell me how shocked and horrified you were by that performance, because you are like all the other DCUM Democrats determined to remain in the bubble. |
What are their policies? Celebrate the elite? Ignore crime in the name of empathy? Invite millions in with no common sense? Grow the bureaucracy to F the people harder and harder? Financialize the economy and forget about manufacturing anything here? Yell racism and sexism to divide and conquer? How to address kitchen table issues? They have ONLY one answer from that. Take from the "Rich" (middle class) and give to the poor. That's their only answer to every problem. |
The Democratic Party certainly has a funny way of showing they care about people who have been sidelined. I’m not sure I’d want that kind of “care.” |
The only thing I saw them covering are the buses going to protests-oh no! Must be paid protesters! And Soros is behind it all! |
Do these people realize their votes and vitriol will only hurt their fellow American citizens regardless of party? The Democrat and Republican elites are safe and doing just fine. When things really get ugly all of them will jump on the same private jets and head to their summer houses abroad where they will still be able to access their healthy bank accounts. They will then come together to pop open the most expensive bottles of French champagne while the rest of us fight over eggs. |
Well, until their mansions burn. History tells us where this ends. |
PP, you seem a bit deranged and again, I do not believe you are a moderate Dem based on this post. I don’t need to consume conservative media constantly to reach my conclusions. My dad, uncles, aunts, half my cousin and two of my dearest fiends voted for Trump. We do talk politics and I am well aware of why they voted the way they did. But they are in a news bubble. They are not informed about the major national or international news stories impacting our country. People who do know about major news events or understand major policy decisions are not in a bubble. It’s a false equivalence to claim that. Whether they understand the depths of the news bubble that surrounds conservative voters is a different question. I think too many well educated Dems approach Trump voters as if they are well informed and actively rejecting basic economic and moral principles. I disagree, and believe Trump voters are in a bubble and completely uninformed, to the point where it’s currently hard to even discuss major news stories or policy issues. Take tariffs. Conservative media, to the extent they choose to cover tariffs, are claiming they are good and will bring manufacturing back to America. But they won’t discuss the nuances is Trump’s policy or dissenting views. They won’t cover the conflicting message from the administration, or concerns from business about the loss of capital due to the stock market crash or uncertainty related to unclear policy statements. And if they don’t hear these things from their news sources, they refuse to believe them. I know this because I had conversations on these topics this past week with my friends and family. I don’t need to consume right wing media to understand the bubble, I get a front row seat. |
+1. Torches and pitchforks. It end in the modern day equivalent of guillotines. |