Anonymous wrote:NP. Yeah, I’m not so sure MAGA are the ones in the bubble. Or rather, they are in a bubble, but the people in the DCUM bubble are equally sealed. Why were so many DCUMs shocked at Trump’s win? That he was going to easily win was obvious to those of us who don’t rely solely on DCUM approved media sources.
I am a moderate, Harris-voting Democrat. (I would never vote for Trump.) I make it a point to consume both right and left wing media sources as well as MSM. And it is weird, what I read on DCUM sometimes. There is as much of a bubble here as you accuse the MAGA of living in.
FYI the right wing media is covering the protests. They aren’t hiding it. So this whole idea that Fox isn’t covering the protests, well that’s the product of your bubble, not reality. But you’d have to actually make a point of consuming right wing media sources to know that.
PP, go to the Fox News website right now and see what they are covering. Tell me if it’s even close for the biggest news stories affecting America right now.
Also how is a moderate Dem so attuned to how they covered protests that happened yesterday? Seems odd, as the only people who actually put that channel on that regularly are those who watch it.
Oh my God, can you even read? I told you in my post that I make it a point of consuming right wing media! Yes of course know how they covered it — I deliberately went to watch it, as I indeed regularly do, which I specifically told you. I go out of my way to consume right wing media specifically so I am not in the DCUM bubble. That is what I told you!
Jesus sometimes some of you here are so slow.
Sorry, but i honestly don’t believe that you spent an otherwise beautiful weekend watching Fox News. I am not slow, I think you are a typical maga-pretending to be moderate dem.
I do have to watch news occasionally because it’s all my dad will have on at his nursing home. It’s the same 7 stories repeated every hour, and most of them are not about the major issues impacting our country. I can tell my dad things that are going on in the world and he has no idea, because fox isn’t covering it. And their main website reflects that. That’s what a bubble looks like.
Pretending minor events are major stories and thereby ensuring your viewers are not well informed is what creates a bubble.
You are so sealed off and determined to remain that way that is amazing. And yes, I believe you are on the slower end. You couldn’t understand my post because the concepts in that post, the idea of deliberately consuming media outside the DCUM bubble, those concepts are complex and hard for you to understand.
Let’s break it down a bit more concretely: Did you believe Harris was going to win? Did you believe her message of joy was resonating? Did you think Biden was competent, just a little tired? Were you shocked by the debate performance? Did you believe Iowa had a chance of going blue? Did you believe abortion would win the election for Harris?
You don’t have to tell me that your answer to all of these is yes. I know it is, because you live in a tightly sealed bubble.
But my answer to all of those questions is no, of course not. I knew months before the election that Trump was going to win, probably easily. I knew Biden was seriously incapacitated. I knew abortion wasn’t resonating as an issue. I knew the idea of Iowa being in play was laughable. Etc. Why? Specifically because I make efforts to consume media outside of DCUM-approved media. I listen to Rogan. I watch Fox. I also read the NYT, listen to Ezra Klein, etc.
You cannot understand what is going on in this country if you consume DCUM-approved media only. They lie, they cover up, they have a clear ideological slant. Of course Fox is the king of that, but to pretend Fox is alone in that is just deliberate blindness.
Take the issue of Biden’s incapacity. That should have been front-page, investigative journalism for DCUM media. But it wasn’t — in fact, they actively hid how incapacitated he was, choosing not to cover it. And yet, all the books coming out are proving what Fox (yes, Fox) and right wing media were saying about Biden months and months before the debate. There were videos of Biden clearly impaired available for months before the debate. But those videos only showed up on right wing media. If they showed up in left wing media or MSM, it was only to claim that they were manipulated videos. Spoiler alert: they weren’t.
I saw all that because I consume media across the political spectrum. So the debate performance was what I expected; I knew by then that Biden was seriously impaired. But you don’t have to tell me how shocked and horrified you were by that performance, because you are like all the other DCUM Democrats determined to remain in the bubble.
PP, you seem a bit deranged and again, I do not believe you are a moderate Dem based on this post.
I don’t need to consume conservative media constantly to reach my conclusions. My dad, uncles, aunts, half my cousin and two of my dearest fiends voted for Trump. We do talk politics and I am well aware of why they voted the way they did. But they are in a news bubble. They are not informed about the major national or international news stories impacting our country.
People who do know about major news events or understand major policy decisions are not in a bubble. It’s a false equivalence to claim that. Whether they understand the depths of the news bubble that surrounds conservative voters is a different question. I think too many well educated Dems approach Trump voters as if they are well informed and actively rejecting basic economic and moral principles. I disagree, and believe Trump voters are in a bubble and completely uninformed, to the point where it’s currently hard to even discuss major news stories or policy issues.
Take tariffs. Conservative media, to the extent they choose to cover tariffs, are claiming they are good and will bring manufacturing back to America. But they won’t discuss the nuances is Trump’s policy or dissenting views. They won’t cover the conflicting message from the administration, or concerns from business about the loss of capital due to the stock market crash or uncertainty related to unclear policy statements. And if they don’t hear these things from their news sources, they refuse to believe them. I know this because I had conversations on these topics this past week with my friends and family. I don’t need to consume right wing media to understand the bubble, I get a front row seat.
Fine, stay clueless and uninformed, since that’s what you obviously want. Continue to be shocked by election results that should have been blindingly obvious. That’s your choice. But don’t criticize MAGA for doing exactly what you do. You are in as much of a bubble as the people you criticize, but even worse than them, you are actively choosing to stay in that bubble. You could educate yourself. But you choose to remain ignorant.
I know why you won’t answer the questions I asked: because your answer would have been yes to every single one of them, and you can’t admit that, because it shows how isolated in your own bubble you are.
+1000 MAGA consists of poorly educated, typically innumerate people who don't understand logical reasoning. Democratic cultists, however, are willfully ignorant and lazy minded hacks. They have the education and resources to debunk the lies they believe, but are too morally bankrupt and obsessed with attacking those outside their cult to care about truth.
The DC-area UMC Trump-hating AUSA with two trans kids and a $1m+ home their parents gave them a downpayment for is as much a lost cause as any southern Trump-loving MAGA.
Yup. And they are as destructive as the MAGA, in their own way.
Really? what has the progressive left done on any scale similar to J6, crashing the US Economy and global economy and dismantling our government?
Run up the deficit, destroyed rigor in education, exacerbated the wealth gap, caused the 2008 recession with their idiotic home loan policies, drove crime up because of their idiotic policing policies, undercut the working class with migrant labor, etc.
J6 was an insurrection and Trump is causing the next Great Depression. But the idea that the progressive left isn’t harmful is blindly partisan.
I think you are making a bunch of bad faith arguments here.
Run up the deficit? Deficits increased the most under REPUBLICAN presidencies.
Destroyed rigor in education? Sounds like a GOP strawman, like "litter boxes for students who identify as cat gender." We wouldn't even have any educational standards in the first place if it weren't for Democrats.
Exacerbated the wealth gap? Again, that's GOP policy. Tax cuts and policies for the rich and "trickle down" that never trickles down.
2008 financial crisis came from a whole bunch of things like predatory lending, housing bubble, excessive risk-taking by lenders, along with Bush-driven deregulation. The dismantling of Glass Steagall was spearheaded by REPUBLICAN Phil Gramm.
As for "idiotic policing policies" you seem to forget that the BLM protests and "defund" talk happened BECAUSE OF idiotic policing policies. And for all the "defund" talk not much of that actually even happened in most of America. And where it did, it would be something like a 5% budget cut but suddenly the arrest rate dropped by 40% completely out of whack with the budget cut, and crime went up not because of policy but because many in police departments just stopped doing their jobs in silent protest because they had their feelings hurt by people saying mean words and cutting their budget a measly 5%.
Undercut the working class with migrant labor? Really? Migrants are filling demand NOT filled by American workers. Americans don't want to be out working in hot fields picking produce, cutting meat in a processing plant, and so on. Employers can't get Americans to take those jobs. The only place where they are actually undercutting American labor is in places like the tech sector where they snub qualified Americans to hire cheap Indians to write code.
As far as I'm concerned a whole lot of your ranty blame is entirely misplaced and whoever filled your head with all these ideas is misleading you.
Oh sorry, my bad. 😞 I forgot this is DCUM where Democrats never do anything wrong and anything bad that ever happens in the US is entirely the fault of Republicans. Sorry.
Anonymous wrote:Any amount of tariffs are worth it to keep trans women out of biological women's sports. I don't care if everyone in my neighborhood loses their jobs.
What? All your neighbors will lose their jobs and likely their houses, which will bring your house value down. All because four trans kids in the U.S. are playing sports??
Anonymous wrote:NP. Yeah, I’m not so sure MAGA are the ones in the bubble. Or rather, they are in a bubble, but the people in the DCUM bubble are equally sealed. Why were so many DCUMs shocked at Trump’s win? That he was going to easily win was obvious to those of us who don’t rely solely on DCUM approved media sources.
I am a moderate, Harris-voting Democrat. (I would never vote for Trump.) I make it a point to consume both right and left wing media sources as well as MSM. And it is weird, what I read on DCUM sometimes. There is as much of a bubble here as you accuse the MAGA of living in.
FYI the right wing media is covering the protests. They aren’t hiding it. So this whole idea that Fox isn’t covering the protests, well that’s the product of your bubble, not reality. But you’d have to actually make a point of consuming right wing media sources to know that.
PP, go to the Fox News website right now and see what they are covering. Tell me if it’s even close for the biggest news stories affecting America right now.
Also how is a moderate Dem so attuned to how they covered protests that happened yesterday? Seems odd, as the only people who actually put that channel on that regularly are those who watch it.
Oh my God, can you even read? I told you in my post that I make it a point of consuming right wing media! Yes of course know how they covered it — I deliberately went to watch it, as I indeed regularly do, which I specifically told you. I go out of my way to consume right wing media specifically so I am not in the DCUM bubble. That is what I told you!
Jesus sometimes some of you here are so slow.
Sorry, but i honestly don’t believe that you spent an otherwise beautiful weekend watching Fox News. I am not slow, I think you are a typical maga-pretending to be moderate dem.
I do have to watch news occasionally because it’s all my dad will have on at his nursing home. It’s the same 7 stories repeated every hour, and most of them are not about the major issues impacting our country. I can tell my dad things that are going on in the world and he has no idea, because fox isn’t covering it. And their main website reflects that. That’s what a bubble looks like.
Pretending minor events are major stories and thereby ensuring your viewers are not well informed is what creates a bubble.
You are so sealed off and determined to remain that way that is amazing. And yes, I believe you are on the slower end. You couldn’t understand my post because the concepts in that post, the idea of deliberately consuming media outside the DCUM bubble, those concepts are complex and hard for you to understand.
Let’s break it down a bit more concretely: Did you believe Harris was going to win? Did you believe her message of joy was resonating? Did you think Biden was competent, just a little tired? Were you shocked by the debate performance? Did you believe Iowa had a chance of going blue? Did you believe abortion would win the election for Harris?
You don’t have to tell me that your answer to all of these is yes. I know it is, because you live in a tightly sealed bubble.
But my answer to all of those questions is no, of course not. I knew months before the election that Trump was going to win, probably easily. I knew Biden was seriously incapacitated. I knew abortion wasn’t resonating as an issue. I knew the idea of Iowa being in play was laughable. Etc. Why? Specifically because I make efforts to consume media outside of DCUM-approved media. I listen to Rogan. I watch Fox. I also read the NYT, listen to Ezra Klein, etc.
You cannot understand what is going on in this country if you consume DCUM-approved media only. They lie, they cover up, they have a clear ideological slant. Of course Fox is the king of that, but to pretend Fox is alone in that is just deliberate blindness.
Take the issue of Biden’s incapacity. That should have been front-page, investigative journalism for DCUM media. But it wasn’t — in fact, they actively hid how incapacitated he was, choosing not to cover it. And yet, all the books coming out are proving what Fox (yes, Fox) and right wing media were saying about Biden months and months before the debate. There were videos of Biden clearly impaired available for months before the debate. But those videos only showed up on right wing media. If they showed up in left wing media or MSM, it was only to claim that they were manipulated videos. Spoiler alert: they weren’t.
I saw all that because I consume media across the political spectrum. So the debate performance was what I expected; I knew by then that Biden was seriously impaired. But you don’t have to tell me how shocked and horrified you were by that performance, because you are like all the other DCUM Democrats determined to remain in the bubble.
PP, you seem a bit deranged and again, I do not believe you are a moderate Dem based on this post.
I don’t need to consume conservative media constantly to reach my conclusions. My dad, uncles, aunts, half my cousin and two of my dearest fiends voted for Trump. We do talk politics and I am well aware of why they voted the way they did. But they are in a news bubble. They are not informed about the major national or international news stories impacting our country.
People who do know about major news events or understand major policy decisions are not in a bubble. It’s a false equivalence to claim that. Whether they understand the depths of the news bubble that surrounds conservative voters is a different question. I think too many well educated Dems approach Trump voters as if they are well informed and actively rejecting basic economic and moral principles. I disagree, and believe Trump voters are in a bubble and completely uninformed, to the point where it’s currently hard to even discuss major news stories or policy issues.
Take tariffs. Conservative media, to the extent they choose to cover tariffs, are claiming they are good and will bring manufacturing back to America. But they won’t discuss the nuances is Trump’s policy or dissenting views. They won’t cover the conflicting message from the administration, or concerns from business about the loss of capital due to the stock market crash or uncertainty related to unclear policy statements. And if they don’t hear these things from their news sources, they refuse to believe them. I know this because I had conversations on these topics this past week with my friends and family. I don’t need to consume right wing media to understand the bubble, I get a front row seat.
Fine, stay clueless and uninformed, since that’s what you obviously want. Continue to be shocked by election results that should have been blindingly obvious. That’s your choice. But don’t criticize MAGA for doing exactly what you do. You are in as much of a bubble as the people you criticize, but even worse than them, you are actively choosing to stay in that bubble. You could educate yourself. But you choose to remain ignorant.
I know why you won’t answer the questions I asked: because your answer would have been yes to every single one of them, and you can’t admit that, because it shows how isolated in your own bubble you are.
+1000 MAGA consists of poorly educated, typically innumerate people who don't understand logical reasoning. Democratic cultists, however, are willfully ignorant and lazy minded hacks. They have the education and resources to debunk the lies they believe, but are too morally bankrupt and obsessed with attacking those outside their cult to care about truth.
The DC-area UMC Trump-hating AUSA with two trans kids and a $1m+ home their parents gave them a downpayment for is as much a lost cause as any southern Trump-loving MAGA.
Yup. And they are as destructive as the MAGA, in their own way.
Really? what has the progressive left done on any scale similar to J6, crashing the US Economy and global economy and dismantling our government?
Run up the deficit, destroyed rigor in education, exacerbated the wealth gap, caused the 2008 recession with their idiotic home loan policies, drove crime up because of their idiotic policing policies, undercut the working class with migrant labor, etc.
J6 was an insurrection and Trump is causing the next Great Depression. But the idea that the progressive left isn’t harmful is blindly partisan.
I think you are making a bunch of bad faith arguments here.
Run up the deficit? Deficits increased the most under REPUBLICAN presidencies.
Destroyed rigor in education? Sounds like a GOP strawman, like "litter boxes for students who identify as cat gender." We wouldn't even have any educational standards in the first place if it weren't for Democrats.
Exacerbated the wealth gap? Again, that's GOP policy. Tax cuts and policies for the rich and "trickle down" that never trickles down.
2008 financial crisis came from a whole bunch of things like predatory lending, housing bubble, excessive risk-taking by lenders, along with Bush-driven deregulation. The dismantling of Glass Steagall was spearheaded by REPUBLICAN Phil Gramm.
As for "idiotic policing policies" you seem to forget that the BLM protests and "defund" talk happened BECAUSE OF idiotic policing policies. And for all the "defund" talk not much of that actually even happened in most of America. And where it did, it would be something like a 5% budget cut but suddenly the arrest rate dropped by 40% completely out of whack with the budget cut, and crime went up not because of policy but because many in police departments just stopped doing their jobs in silent protest because they had their feelings hurt by people saying mean words and cutting their budget a measly 5%.
Undercut the working class with migrant labor? Really? Migrants are filling demand NOT filled by American workers. Americans don't want to be out working in hot fields picking produce, cutting meat in a processing plant, and so on. Employers can't get Americans to take those jobs. The only place where they are actually undercutting American labor is in places like the tech sector where they snub qualified Americans to hire cheap Indians to write code.
As far as I'm concerned a whole lot of your ranty blame is entirely misplaced and whoever filled your head with all these ideas is misleading you.
Oh sorry, my bad. 😞 I forgot this is DCUM where Democrats never do anything wrong and anything bad that ever happens in the US is entirely the fault of Republicans. Sorry.
I'll ask you to go to one of your right rink news sites and find one instance and I mean just one where they admit that the Republicans might have made a mistake about something. I've never seen a party who is never wrong never at fault or anything. It's unreal.
Anonymous wrote:NP. Yeah, I’m not so sure MAGA are the ones in the bubble. Or rather, they are in a bubble, but the people in the DCUM bubble are equally sealed. Why were so many DCUMs shocked at Trump’s win? That he was going to easily win was obvious to those of us who don’t rely solely on DCUM approved media sources.
I am a moderate, Harris-voting Democrat. (I would never vote for Trump.) I make it a point to consume both right and left wing media sources as well as MSM. And it is weird, what I read on DCUM sometimes. There is as much of a bubble here as you accuse the MAGA of living in.
FYI the right wing media is covering the protests. They aren’t hiding it. So this whole idea that Fox isn’t covering the protests, well that’s the product of your bubble, not reality. But you’d have to actually make a point of consuming right wing media sources to know that.
PP, go to the Fox News website right now and see what they are covering. Tell me if it’s even close for the biggest news stories affecting America right now.
Also how is a moderate Dem so attuned to how they covered protests that happened yesterday? Seems odd, as the only people who actually put that channel on that regularly are those who watch it.
Oh my God, can you even read? I told you in my post that I make it a point of consuming right wing media! Yes of course know how they covered it — I deliberately went to watch it, as I indeed regularly do, which I specifically told you. I go out of my way to consume right wing media specifically so I am not in the DCUM bubble. That is what I told you!
Jesus sometimes some of you here are so slow.
Sorry, but i honestly don’t believe that you spent an otherwise beautiful weekend watching Fox News. I am not slow, I think you are a typical maga-pretending to be moderate dem.
I do have to watch news occasionally because it’s all my dad will have on at his nursing home. It’s the same 7 stories repeated every hour, and most of them are not about the major issues impacting our country. I can tell my dad things that are going on in the world and he has no idea, because fox isn’t covering it. And their main website reflects that. That’s what a bubble looks like.
Pretending minor events are major stories and thereby ensuring your viewers are not well informed is what creates a bubble.
You are so sealed off and determined to remain that way that is amazing. And yes, I believe you are on the slower end. You couldn’t understand my post because the concepts in that post, the idea of deliberately consuming media outside the DCUM bubble, those concepts are complex and hard for you to understand.
Let’s break it down a bit more concretely: Did you believe Harris was going to win? Did you believe her message of joy was resonating? Did you think Biden was competent, just a little tired? Were you shocked by the debate performance? Did you believe Iowa had a chance of going blue? Did you believe abortion would win the election for Harris?
You don’t have to tell me that your answer to all of these is yes. I know it is, because you live in a tightly sealed bubble.
But my answer to all of those questions is no, of course not. I knew months before the election that Trump was going to win, probably easily. I knew Biden was seriously incapacitated. I knew abortion wasn’t resonating as an issue. I knew the idea of Iowa being in play was laughable. Etc. Why? Specifically because I make efforts to consume media outside of DCUM-approved media. I listen to Rogan. I watch Fox. I also read the NYT, listen to Ezra Klein, etc.
You cannot understand what is going on in this country if you consume DCUM-approved media only. They lie, they cover up, they have a clear ideological slant. Of course Fox is the king of that, but to pretend Fox is alone in that is just deliberate blindness.
Take the issue of Biden’s incapacity. That should have been front-page, investigative journalism for DCUM media. But it wasn’t — in fact, they actively hid how incapacitated he was, choosing not to cover it. And yet, all the books coming out are proving what Fox (yes, Fox) and right wing media were saying about Biden months and months before the debate. There were videos of Biden clearly impaired available for months before the debate. But those videos only showed up on right wing media. If they showed up in left wing media or MSM, it was only to claim that they were manipulated videos. Spoiler alert: they weren’t.
I saw all that because I consume media across the political spectrum. So the debate performance was what I expected; I knew by then that Biden was seriously impaired. But you don’t have to tell me how shocked and horrified you were by that performance, because you are like all the other DCUM Democrats determined to remain in the bubble.
PP, you seem a bit deranged and again, I do not believe you are a moderate Dem based on this post.
I don’t need to consume conservative media constantly to reach my conclusions. My dad, uncles, aunts, half my cousin and two of my dearest fiends voted for Trump. We do talk politics and I am well aware of why they voted the way they did. But they are in a news bubble. They are not informed about the major national or international news stories impacting our country.
People who do know about major news events or understand major policy decisions are not in a bubble. It’s a false equivalence to claim that. Whether they understand the depths of the news bubble that surrounds conservative voters is a different question. I think too many well educated Dems approach Trump voters as if they are well informed and actively rejecting basic economic and moral principles. I disagree, and believe Trump voters are in a bubble and completely uninformed, to the point where it’s currently hard to even discuss major news stories or policy issues.
Take tariffs. Conservative media, to the extent they choose to cover tariffs, are claiming they are good and will bring manufacturing back to America. But they won’t discuss the nuances is Trump’s policy or dissenting views. They won’t cover the conflicting message from the administration, or concerns from business about the loss of capital due to the stock market crash or uncertainty related to unclear policy statements. And if they don’t hear these things from their news sources, they refuse to believe them. I know this because I had conversations on these topics this past week with my friends and family. I don’t need to consume right wing media to understand the bubble, I get a front row seat.
Fine, stay clueless and uninformed, since that’s what you obviously want. Continue to be shocked by election results that should have been blindingly obvious. That’s your choice. But don’t criticize MAGA for doing exactly what you do. You are in as much of a bubble as the people you criticize, but even worse than them, you are actively choosing to stay in that bubble. You could educate yourself. But you choose to remain ignorant.
I know why you won’t answer the questions I asked: because your answer would have been yes to every single one of them, and you can’t admit that, because it shows how isolated in your own bubble you are.
+1000 MAGA consists of poorly educated, typically innumerate people who don't understand logical reasoning. Democratic cultists, however, are willfully ignorant and lazy minded hacks. They have the education and resources to debunk the lies they believe, but are too morally bankrupt and obsessed with attacking those outside their cult to care about truth.
The DC-area UMC Trump-hating AUSA with two trans kids and a $1m+ home their parents gave them a downpayment for is as much a lost cause as any southern Trump-loving MAGA.
Yup. And they are as destructive as the MAGA, in their own way.
Really? what has the progressive left done on any scale similar to J6, crashing the US Economy and global economy and dismantling our government?
Run up the deficit, destroyed rigor in education, exacerbated the wealth gap, caused the 2008 recession with their idiotic home loan policies, drove crime up because of their idiotic policing policies, undercut the working class with migrant labor, etc.
J6 was an insurrection and Trump is causing the next Great Depression. But the idea that the progressive left isn’t harmful is blindly partisan.
I think you are making a bunch of bad faith arguments here.
Run up the deficit? Deficits increased the most under REPUBLICAN presidencies.
Destroyed rigor in education? Sounds like a GOP strawman, like "litter boxes for students who identify as cat gender." We wouldn't even have any educational standards in the first place if it weren't for Democrats.
Exacerbated the wealth gap? Again, that's GOP policy. Tax cuts and policies for the rich and "trickle down" that never trickles down.
2008 financial crisis came from a whole bunch of things like predatory lending, housing bubble, excessive risk-taking by lenders, along with Bush-driven deregulation. The dismantling of Glass Steagall was spearheaded by REPUBLICAN Phil Gramm.
As for "idiotic policing policies" you seem to forget that the BLM protests and "defund" talk happened BECAUSE OF idiotic policing policies. And for all the "defund" talk not much of that actually even happened in most of America. And where it did, it would be something like a 5% budget cut but suddenly the arrest rate dropped by 40% completely out of whack with the budget cut, and crime went up not because of policy but because many in police departments just stopped doing their jobs in silent protest because they had their feelings hurt by people saying mean words and cutting their budget a measly 5%.
Undercut the working class with migrant labor? Really? Migrants are filling demand NOT filled by American workers. Americans don't want to be out working in hot fields picking produce, cutting meat in a processing plant, and so on. Employers can't get Americans to take those jobs. The only place where they are actually undercutting American labor is in places like the tech sector where they snub qualified Americans to hire cheap Indians to write code.
As far as I'm concerned a whole lot of your ranty blame is entirely misplaced and whoever filled your head with all these ideas is misleading you.
Oh sorry, my bad. 😞 I forgot this is DCUM where Democrats never do anything wrong and anything bad that ever happens in the US is entirely the fault of Republicans. Sorry.
I'll ask you to go to one of your right rink news sites and find one instance and I mean just one where they admit that the Republicans might have made a mistake about something. I've never seen a party who is never wrong never at fault or anything. It's unreal.
Nobody in this thread thinks the Republicans are anything but awful. That doesn’t somehow make the Democrats good.
Anonymous wrote:NP. Yeah, I’m not so sure MAGA are the ones in the bubble. Or rather, they are in a bubble, but the people in the DCUM bubble are equally sealed. Why were so many DCUMs shocked at Trump’s win? That he was going to easily win was obvious to those of us who don’t rely solely on DCUM approved media sources.
I am a moderate, Harris-voting Democrat. (I would never vote for Trump.) I make it a point to consume both right and left wing media sources as well as MSM. And it is weird, what I read on DCUM sometimes. There is as much of a bubble here as you accuse the MAGA of living in.
FYI the right wing media is covering the protests. They aren’t hiding it. So this whole idea that Fox isn’t covering the protests, well that’s the product of your bubble, not reality. But you’d have to actually make a point of consuming right wing media sources to know that.
PP, go to the Fox News website right now and see what they are covering. Tell me if it’s even close for the biggest news stories affecting America right now.
Also how is a moderate Dem so attuned to how they covered protests that happened yesterday? Seems odd, as the only people who actually put that channel on that regularly are those who watch it.
Oh my God, can you even read? I told you in my post that I make it a point of consuming right wing media! Yes of course know how they covered it — I deliberately went to watch it, as I indeed regularly do, which I specifically told you. I go out of my way to consume right wing media specifically so I am not in the DCUM bubble. That is what I told you!
Jesus sometimes some of you here are so slow.
Sorry, but i honestly don’t believe that you spent an otherwise beautiful weekend watching Fox News. I am not slow, I think you are a typical maga-pretending to be moderate dem.
I do have to watch news occasionally because it’s all my dad will have on at his nursing home. It’s the same 7 stories repeated every hour, and most of them are not about the major issues impacting our country. I can tell my dad things that are going on in the world and he has no idea, because fox isn’t covering it. And their main website reflects that. That’s what a bubble looks like.
Pretending minor events are major stories and thereby ensuring your viewers are not well informed is what creates a bubble.
You are so sealed off and determined to remain that way that is amazing. And yes, I believe you are on the slower end. You couldn’t understand my post because the concepts in that post, the idea of deliberately consuming media outside the DCUM bubble, those concepts are complex and hard for you to understand.
Let’s break it down a bit more concretely: Did you believe Harris was going to win? Did you believe her message of joy was resonating? Did you think Biden was competent, just a little tired? Were you shocked by the debate performance? Did you believe Iowa had a chance of going blue? Did you believe abortion would win the election for Harris?
You don’t have to tell me that your answer to all of these is yes. I know it is, because you live in a tightly sealed bubble.
But my answer to all of those questions is no, of course not. I knew months before the election that Trump was going to win, probably easily. I knew Biden was seriously incapacitated. I knew abortion wasn’t resonating as an issue. I knew the idea of Iowa being in play was laughable. Etc. Why? Specifically because I make efforts to consume media outside of DCUM-approved media. I listen to Rogan. I watch Fox. I also read the NYT, listen to Ezra Klein, etc.
You cannot understand what is going on in this country if you consume DCUM-approved media only. They lie, they cover up, they have a clear ideological slant. Of course Fox is the king of that, but to pretend Fox is alone in that is just deliberate blindness.
Take the issue of Biden’s incapacity. That should have been front-page, investigative journalism for DCUM media. But it wasn’t — in fact, they actively hid how incapacitated he was, choosing not to cover it. And yet, all the books coming out are proving what Fox (yes, Fox) and right wing media were saying about Biden months and months before the debate. There were videos of Biden clearly impaired available for months before the debate. But those videos only showed up on right wing media. If they showed up in left wing media or MSM, it was only to claim that they were manipulated videos. Spoiler alert: they weren’t.
I saw all that because I consume media across the political spectrum. So the debate performance was what I expected; I knew by then that Biden was seriously impaired. But you don’t have to tell me how shocked and horrified you were by that performance, because you are like all the other DCUM Democrats determined to remain in the bubble.
PP, you seem a bit deranged and again, I do not believe you are a moderate Dem based on this post.
I don’t need to consume conservative media constantly to reach my conclusions. My dad, uncles, aunts, half my cousin and two of my dearest fiends voted for Trump. We do talk politics and I am well aware of why they voted the way they did. But they are in a news bubble. They are not informed about the major national or international news stories impacting our country.
People who do know about major news events or understand major policy decisions are not in a bubble. It’s a false equivalence to claim that. Whether they understand the depths of the news bubble that surrounds conservative voters is a different question. I think too many well educated Dems approach Trump voters as if they are well informed and actively rejecting basic economic and moral principles. I disagree, and believe Trump voters are in a bubble and completely uninformed, to the point where it’s currently hard to even discuss major news stories or policy issues.
Take tariffs. Conservative media, to the extent they choose to cover tariffs, are claiming they are good and will bring manufacturing back to America. But they won’t discuss the nuances is Trump’s policy or dissenting views. They won’t cover the conflicting message from the administration, or concerns from business about the loss of capital due to the stock market crash or uncertainty related to unclear policy statements. And if they don’t hear these things from their news sources, they refuse to believe them. I know this because I had conversations on these topics this past week with my friends and family. I don’t need to consume right wing media to understand the bubble, I get a front row seat.
Fine, stay clueless and uninformed, since that’s what you obviously want. Continue to be shocked by election results that should have been blindingly obvious. That’s your choice. But don’t criticize MAGA for doing exactly what you do. You are in as much of a bubble as the people you criticize, but even worse than them, you are actively choosing to stay in that bubble. You could educate yourself. But you choose to remain ignorant.
I know why you won’t answer the questions I asked: because your answer would have been yes to every single one of them, and you can’t admit that, because it shows how isolated in your own bubble you are.
+1000 MAGA consists of poorly educated, typically innumerate people who don't understand logical reasoning. Democratic cultists, however, are willfully ignorant and lazy minded hacks. They have the education and resources to debunk the lies they believe, but are too morally bankrupt and obsessed with attacking those outside their cult to care about truth.
The DC-area UMC Trump-hating AUSA with two trans kids and a $1m+ home their parents gave them a downpayment for is as much a lost cause as any southern Trump-loving MAGA.
Yup. And they are as destructive as the MAGA, in their own way.
Really? what has the progressive left done on any scale similar to J6, crashing the US Economy and global economy and dismantling our government?
Run up the deficit, destroyed rigor in education, exacerbated the wealth gap, caused the 2008 recession with their idiotic home loan policies, drove crime up because of their idiotic policing policies, undercut the working class with migrant labor, etc.
J6 was an insurrection and Trump is causing the next Great Depression. But the idea that the progressive left isn’t harmful is blindly partisan.
^^ It’s very hard talking to people like this, who say things that are absolutely, objectively, provably wrong. I don’t even know what to say, if someone thinks democrats are responsible for the exploding deficit, or the 2008 crash. Or even the wealth gap.
I actually hope this is a troll, that’s how deluded this is. Sure, we can quibble about education or crime policies or immigration but the accelerator of the deficit (republicans, by a long shot) and the massive destruction caused in 2008 (0 oversight + risky, predatory loans), are objective things. And republicans are doing everything possible to make both of those issues worse— right now! I try, I really try. But I can’t talk to people who say, the sky is red! You need to see my POV that the sky is red!
I really don’t know what the answer is, because more information clearly hasn’t helped. The internet has just opened the doors to any fool to pretend to be an expert. And lots of other fools to listen.
+1. And what’s worse is that we have people on our own side (Dems in this post) telling us that we are the bad guys, stupid, uninformed, etc., for failing to understand Maga’s view that the sky is red.
Anonymous wrote:NP. Yeah, I’m not so sure MAGA are the ones in the bubble. Or rather, they are in a bubble, but the people in the DCUM bubble are equally sealed. Why were so many DCUMs shocked at Trump’s win? That he was going to easily win was obvious to those of us who don’t rely solely on DCUM approved media sources.
I am a moderate, Harris-voting Democrat. (I would never vote for Trump.) I make it a point to consume both right and left wing media sources as well as MSM. And it is weird, what I read on DCUM sometimes. There is as much of a bubble here as you accuse the MAGA of living in.
FYI the right wing media is covering the protests. They aren’t hiding it. So this whole idea that Fox isn’t covering the protests, well that’s the product of your bubble, not reality. But you’d have to actually make a point of consuming right wing media sources to know that.
PP, go to the Fox News website right now and see what they are covering. Tell me if it’s even close for the biggest news stories affecting America right now.
Also how is a moderate Dem so attuned to how they covered protests that happened yesterday? Seems odd, as the only people who actually put that channel on that regularly are those who watch it.
Oh my God, can you even read? I told you in my post that I make it a point of consuming right wing media! Yes of course know how they covered it — I deliberately went to watch it, as I indeed regularly do, which I specifically told you. I go out of my way to consume right wing media specifically so I am not in the DCUM bubble. That is what I told you!
Jesus sometimes some of you here are so slow.
Sorry, but i honestly don’t believe that you spent an otherwise beautiful weekend watching Fox News. I am not slow, I think you are a typical maga-pretending to be moderate dem.
I do have to watch news occasionally because it’s all my dad will have on at his nursing home. It’s the same 7 stories repeated every hour, and most of them are not about the major issues impacting our country. I can tell my dad things that are going on in the world and he has no idea, because fox isn’t covering it. And their main website reflects that. That’s what a bubble looks like.
Pretending minor events are major stories and thereby ensuring your viewers are not well informed is what creates a bubble.
You are so sealed off and determined to remain that way that is amazing. And yes, I believe you are on the slower end. You couldn’t understand my post because the concepts in that post, the idea of deliberately consuming media outside the DCUM bubble, those concepts are complex and hard for you to understand.
Let’s break it down a bit more concretely: Did you believe Harris was going to win? Did you believe her message of joy was resonating? Did you think Biden was competent, just a little tired? Were you shocked by the debate performance? Did you believe Iowa had a chance of going blue? Did you believe abortion would win the election for Harris?
You don’t have to tell me that your answer to all of these is yes. I know it is, because you live in a tightly sealed bubble.
But my answer to all of those questions is no, of course not. I knew months before the election that Trump was going to win, probably easily. I knew Biden was seriously incapacitated. I knew abortion wasn’t resonating as an issue. I knew the idea of Iowa being in play was laughable. Etc. Why? Specifically because I make efforts to consume media outside of DCUM-approved media. I listen to Rogan. I watch Fox. I also read the NYT, listen to Ezra Klein, etc.
You cannot understand what is going on in this country if you consume DCUM-approved media only. They lie, they cover up, they have a clear ideological slant. Of course Fox is the king of that, but to pretend Fox is alone in that is just deliberate blindness.
Take the issue of Biden’s incapacity. That should have been front-page, investigative journalism for DCUM media. But it wasn’t — in fact, they actively hid how incapacitated he was, choosing not to cover it. And yet, all the books coming out are proving what Fox (yes, Fox) and right wing media were saying about Biden months and months before the debate. There were videos of Biden clearly impaired available for months before the debate. But those videos only showed up on right wing media. If they showed up in left wing media or MSM, it was only to claim that they were manipulated videos. Spoiler alert: they weren’t.
I saw all that because I consume media across the political spectrum. So the debate performance was what I expected; I knew by then that Biden was seriously impaired. But you don’t have to tell me how shocked and horrified you were by that performance, because you are like all the other DCUM Democrats determined to remain in the bubble.
PP, you seem a bit deranged and again, I do not believe you are a moderate Dem based on this post.
I don’t need to consume conservative media constantly to reach my conclusions. My dad, uncles, aunts, half my cousin and two of my dearest fiends voted for Trump. We do talk politics and I am well aware of why they voted the way they did. But they are in a news bubble. They are not informed about the major national or international news stories impacting our country.
People who do know about major news events or understand major policy decisions are not in a bubble. It’s a false equivalence to claim that. Whether they understand the depths of the news bubble that surrounds conservative voters is a different question. I think too many well educated Dems approach Trump voters as if they are well informed and actively rejecting basic economic and moral principles. I disagree, and believe Trump voters are in a bubble and completely uninformed, to the point where it’s currently hard to even discuss major news stories or policy issues.
Take tariffs. Conservative media, to the extent they choose to cover tariffs, are claiming they are good and will bring manufacturing back to America. But they won’t discuss the nuances is Trump’s policy or dissenting views. They won’t cover the conflicting message from the administration, or concerns from business about the loss of capital due to the stock market crash or uncertainty related to unclear policy statements. And if they don’t hear these things from their news sources, they refuse to believe them. I know this because I had conversations on these topics this past week with my friends and family. I don’t need to consume right wing media to understand the bubble, I get a front row seat.
Fine, stay clueless and uninformed, since that’s what you obviously want. Continue to be shocked by election results that should have been blindingly obvious. That’s your choice. But don’t criticize MAGA for doing exactly what you do. You are in as much of a bubble as the people you criticize, but even worse than them, you are actively choosing to stay in that bubble. You could educate yourself. But you choose to remain ignorant.
I know why you won’t answer the questions I asked: because your answer would have been yes to every single one of them, and you can’t admit that, because it shows how isolated in your own bubble you are.
+1000 MAGA consists of poorly educated, typically innumerate people who don't understand logical reasoning. Democratic cultists, however, are willfully ignorant and lazy minded hacks. They have the education and resources to debunk the lies they believe, but are too morally bankrupt and obsessed with attacking those outside their cult to care about truth.
The DC-area UMC Trump-hating AUSA with two trans kids and a $1m+ home their parents gave them a downpayment for is as much a lost cause as any southern Trump-loving MAGA.
Yup. And they are as destructive as the MAGA, in their own way.
Really? what has the progressive left done on any scale similar to J6, crashing the US Economy and global economy and dismantling our government?
Run up the deficit, destroyed rigor in education, exacerbated the wealth gap, caused the 2008 recession with their idiotic home loan policies, drove crime up because of their idiotic policing policies, undercut the working class with migrant labor, etc.
J6 was an insurrection and Trump is causing the next Great Depression. But the idea that the progressive left isn’t harmful is blindly partisan.
I think you are making a bunch of bad faith arguments here.
Run up the deficit? Deficits increased the most under REPUBLICAN presidencies.
Destroyed rigor in education? Sounds like a GOP strawman, like "litter boxes for students who identify as cat gender." We wouldn't even have any educational standards in the first place if it weren't for Democrats.
Exacerbated the wealth gap? Again, that's GOP policy. Tax cuts and policies for the rich and "trickle down" that never trickles down.
2008 financial crisis came from a whole bunch of things like predatory lending, housing bubble, excessive risk-taking by lenders, along with Bush-driven deregulation. The dismantling of Glass Steagall was spearheaded by REPUBLICAN Phil Gramm.
As for "idiotic policing policies" you seem to forget that the BLM protests and "defund" talk happened BECAUSE OF idiotic policing policies. And for all the "defund" talk not much of that actually even happened in most of America. And where it did, it would be something like a 5% budget cut but suddenly the arrest rate dropped by 40% completely out of whack with the budget cut, and crime went up not because of policy but because many in police departments just stopped doing their jobs in silent protest because they had their feelings hurt by people saying mean words and cutting their budget a measly 5%.
Undercut the working class with migrant labor? Really? Migrants are filling demand NOT filled by American workers. Americans don't want to be out working in hot fields picking produce, cutting meat in a processing plant, and so on. Employers can't get Americans to take those jobs. The only place where they are actually undercutting American labor is in places like the tech sector where they snub qualified Americans to hire cheap Indians to write code.
As far as I'm concerned a whole lot of your ranty blame is entirely misplaced and whoever filled your head with all these ideas is misleading you.
Oh sorry, my bad. 😞 I forgot this is DCUM where Democrats never do anything wrong and anything bad that ever happens in the US is entirely the fault of Republicans. Sorry.
I'll ask you to go to one of your right rink news sites and find one instance and I mean just one where they admit that the Republicans might have made a mistake about something. I've never seen a party who is never wrong never at fault or anything. It's unreal.
Nobody in this thread thinks the Republicans are anything but awful. That doesn’t somehow make the Democrats good.
Really? You read this thread and came to the above conclusion? Are we reading the same thread?
Also what is up with the sudden proliferation of posts that basically argue that MAGA is bad but Dems are equally bad? It’s seems like in the last week the number of Dems that hate other Dems is through the roof.
Anonymous wrote:NP. Yeah, I’m not so sure MAGA are the ones in the bubble. Or rather, they are in a bubble, but the people in the DCUM bubble are equally sealed. Why were so many DCUMs shocked at Trump’s win? That he was going to easily win was obvious to those of us who don’t rely solely on DCUM approved media sources.
I am a moderate, Harris-voting Democrat. (I would never vote for Trump.) I make it a point to consume both right and left wing media sources as well as MSM. And it is weird, what I read on DCUM sometimes. There is as much of a bubble here as you accuse the MAGA of living in.
FYI the right wing media is covering the protests. They aren’t hiding it. So this whole idea that Fox isn’t covering the protests, well that’s the product of your bubble, not reality. But you’d have to actually make a point of consuming right wing media sources to know that.
PP, go to the Fox News website right now and see what they are covering. Tell me if it’s even close for the biggest news stories affecting America right now.
Also how is a moderate Dem so attuned to how they covered protests that happened yesterday? Seems odd, as the only people who actually put that channel on that regularly are those who watch it.
Oh my God, can you even read? I told you in my post that I make it a point of consuming right wing media! Yes of course know how they covered it — I deliberately went to watch it, as I indeed regularly do, which I specifically told you. I go out of my way to consume right wing media specifically so I am not in the DCUM bubble. That is what I told you!
Jesus sometimes some of you here are so slow.
Sorry, but i honestly don’t believe that you spent an otherwise beautiful weekend watching Fox News. I am not slow, I think you are a typical maga-pretending to be moderate dem.
I do have to watch news occasionally because it’s all my dad will have on at his nursing home. It’s the same 7 stories repeated every hour, and most of them are not about the major issues impacting our country. I can tell my dad things that are going on in the world and he has no idea, because fox isn’t covering it. And their main website reflects that. That’s what a bubble looks like.
Pretending minor events are major stories and thereby ensuring your viewers are not well informed is what creates a bubble.
You are so sealed off and determined to remain that way that is amazing. And yes, I believe you are on the slower end. You couldn’t understand my post because the concepts in that post, the idea of deliberately consuming media outside the DCUM bubble, those concepts are complex and hard for you to understand.
Let’s break it down a bit more concretely: Did you believe Harris was going to win? Did you believe her message of joy was resonating? Did you think Biden was competent, just a little tired? Were you shocked by the debate performance? Did you believe Iowa had a chance of going blue? Did you believe abortion would win the election for Harris?
You don’t have to tell me that your answer to all of these is yes. I know it is, because you live in a tightly sealed bubble.
But my answer to all of those questions is no, of course not. I knew months before the election that Trump was going to win, probably easily. I knew Biden was seriously incapacitated. I knew abortion wasn’t resonating as an issue. I knew the idea of Iowa being in play was laughable. Etc. Why? Specifically because I make efforts to consume media outside of DCUM-approved media. I listen to Rogan. I watch Fox. I also read the NYT, listen to Ezra Klein, etc.
You cannot understand what is going on in this country if you consume DCUM-approved media only. They lie, they cover up, they have a clear ideological slant. Of course Fox is the king of that, but to pretend Fox is alone in that is just deliberate blindness.
Take the issue of Biden’s incapacity. That should have been front-page, investigative journalism for DCUM media. But it wasn’t — in fact, they actively hid how incapacitated he was, choosing not to cover it. And yet, all the books coming out are proving what Fox (yes, Fox) and right wing media were saying about Biden months and months before the debate. There were videos of Biden clearly impaired available for months before the debate. But those videos only showed up on right wing media. If they showed up in left wing media or MSM, it was only to claim that they were manipulated videos. Spoiler alert: they weren’t.
I saw all that because I consume media across the political spectrum. So the debate performance was what I expected; I knew by then that Biden was seriously impaired. But you don’t have to tell me how shocked and horrified you were by that performance, because you are like all the other DCUM Democrats determined to remain in the bubble.
PP, you seem a bit deranged and again, I do not believe you are a moderate Dem based on this post.
I don’t need to consume conservative media constantly to reach my conclusions. My dad, uncles, aunts, half my cousin and two of my dearest fiends voted for Trump. We do talk politics and I am well aware of why they voted the way they did. But they are in a news bubble. They are not informed about the major national or international news stories impacting our country.
People who do know about major news events or understand major policy decisions are not in a bubble. It’s a false equivalence to claim that. Whether they understand the depths of the news bubble that surrounds conservative voters is a different question. I think too many well educated Dems approach Trump voters as if they are well informed and actively rejecting basic economic and moral principles. I disagree, and believe Trump voters are in a bubble and completely uninformed, to the point where it’s currently hard to even discuss major news stories or policy issues.
Take tariffs. Conservative media, to the extent they choose to cover tariffs, are claiming they are good and will bring manufacturing back to America. But they won’t discuss the nuances is Trump’s policy or dissenting views. They won’t cover the conflicting message from the administration, or concerns from business about the loss of capital due to the stock market crash or uncertainty related to unclear policy statements. And if they don’t hear these things from their news sources, they refuse to believe them. I know this because I had conversations on these topics this past week with my friends and family. I don’t need to consume right wing media to understand the bubble, I get a front row seat.
Fine, stay clueless and uninformed, since that’s what you obviously want. Continue to be shocked by election results that should have been blindingly obvious. That’s your choice. But don’t criticize MAGA for doing exactly what you do. You are in as much of a bubble as the people you criticize, but even worse than them, you are actively choosing to stay in that bubble. You could educate yourself. But you choose to remain ignorant.
I know why you won’t answer the questions I asked: because your answer would have been yes to every single one of them, and you can’t admit that, because it shows how isolated in your own bubble you are.
+1000 MAGA consists of poorly educated, typically innumerate people who don't understand logical reasoning. Democratic cultists, however, are willfully ignorant and lazy minded hacks. They have the education and resources to debunk the lies they believe, but are too morally bankrupt and obsessed with attacking those outside their cult to care about truth.
The DC-area UMC Trump-hating AUSA with two trans kids and a $1m+ home their parents gave them a downpayment for is as much a lost cause as any southern Trump-loving MAGA.
Yup. And they are as destructive as the MAGA, in their own way.
Really? what has the progressive left done on any scale similar to J6, crashing the US Economy and global economy and dismantling our government?
Run up the deficit, destroyed rigor in education, exacerbated the wealth gap, caused the 2008 recession with their idiotic home loan policies, drove crime up because of their idiotic policing policies, undercut the working class with migrant labor, etc.
J6 was an insurrection and Trump is causing the next Great Depression. But the idea that the progressive left isn’t harmful is blindly partisan.
I think you are making a bunch of bad faith arguments here.
Run up the deficit? Deficits increased the most under REPUBLICAN presidencies.
Destroyed rigor in education? Sounds like a GOP strawman, like "litter boxes for students who identify as cat gender." We wouldn't even have any educational standards in the first place if it weren't for Democrats.
Exacerbated the wealth gap? Again, that's GOP policy. Tax cuts and policies for the rich and "trickle down" that never trickles down.
2008 financial crisis came from a whole bunch of things like predatory lending, housing bubble, excessive risk-taking by lenders, along with Bush-driven deregulation. The dismantling of Glass Steagall was spearheaded by REPUBLICAN Phil Gramm.
As for "idiotic policing policies" you seem to forget that the BLM protests and "defund" talk happened BECAUSE OF idiotic policing policies. And for all the "defund" talk not much of that actually even happened in most of America. And where it did, it would be something like a 5% budget cut but suddenly the arrest rate dropped by 40% completely out of whack with the budget cut, and crime went up not because of policy but because many in police departments just stopped doing their jobs in silent protest because they had their feelings hurt by people saying mean words and cutting their budget a measly 5%.
Undercut the working class with migrant labor? Really? Migrants are filling demand NOT filled by American workers. Americans don't want to be out working in hot fields picking produce, cutting meat in a processing plant, and so on. Employers can't get Americans to take those jobs. The only place where they are actually undercutting American labor is in places like the tech sector where they snub qualified Americans to hire cheap Indians to write code.
As far as I'm concerned a whole lot of your ranty blame is entirely misplaced and whoever filled your head with all these ideas is misleading you.
Oh sorry, my bad. 😞 I forgot this is DCUM where Democrats never do anything wrong and anything bad that ever happens in the US is entirely the fault of Republicans. Sorry.
I'll ask you to go to one of your right rink news sites and find one instance and I mean just one where they admit that the Republicans might have made a mistake about something. I've never seen a party who is never wrong never at fault or anything. It's unreal.
Nobody in this thread thinks the Republicans are anything but awful. That doesn’t somehow make the Democrats good.
Really? You read this thread and came to the above conclusion? Are we reading the same thread?
Also what is up with the sudden proliferation of posts that basically argue that MAGA is bad but Dems are equally bad? It’s seems like in the last week the number of Dems that hate other Dems is through the roof.
The goal of the Russian trolls is to undermine confidence in all political parties and government. So, you're probably seeing an uptick in trolls. They have been incredibly successful in achieving Russia's goals so they are doubling down on their investment.
Anonymous wrote:Any amount of tariffs are worth it to keep trans women out of biological women's sports. I don't care if everyone in my neighborhood loses their jobs.
Right? The only sports kids should be playing are the Hunger Games! May the odds be ever in your favor, hillbilly babies!
Anonymous wrote:NP. Yeah, I’m not so sure MAGA are the ones in the bubble. Or rather, they are in a bubble, but the people in the DCUM bubble are equally sealed. Why were so many DCUMs shocked at Trump’s win? That he was going to easily win was obvious to those of us who don’t rely solely on DCUM approved media sources.
I am a moderate, Harris-voting Democrat. (I would never vote for Trump.) I make it a point to consume both right and left wing media sources as well as MSM. And it is weird, what I read on DCUM sometimes. There is as much of a bubble here as you accuse the MAGA of living in.
FYI the right wing media is covering the protests. They aren’t hiding it. So this whole idea that Fox isn’t covering the protests, well that’s the product of your bubble, not reality. But you’d have to actually make a point of consuming right wing media sources to know that.
PP, go to the Fox News website right now and see what they are covering. Tell me if it’s even close for the biggest news stories affecting America right now.
Also how is a moderate Dem so attuned to how they covered protests that happened yesterday? Seems odd, as the only people who actually put that channel on that regularly are those who watch it.
Oh my God, can you even read? I told you in my post that I make it a point of consuming right wing media! Yes of course know how they covered it — I deliberately went to watch it, as I indeed regularly do, which I specifically told you. I go out of my way to consume right wing media specifically so I am not in the DCUM bubble. That is what I told you!
Jesus sometimes some of you here are so slow.
Sorry, but i honestly don’t believe that you spent an otherwise beautiful weekend watching Fox News. I am not slow, I think you are a typical maga-pretending to be moderate dem.
I do have to watch news occasionally because it’s all my dad will have on at his nursing home. It’s the same 7 stories repeated every hour, and most of them are not about the major issues impacting our country. I can tell my dad things that are going on in the world and he has no idea, because fox isn’t covering it. And their main website reflects that. That’s what a bubble looks like.
Pretending minor events are major stories and thereby ensuring your viewers are not well informed is what creates a bubble.
You are so sealed off and determined to remain that way that is amazing. And yes, I believe you are on the slower end. You couldn’t understand my post because the concepts in that post, the idea of deliberately consuming media outside the DCUM bubble, those concepts are complex and hard for you to understand.
Let’s break it down a bit more concretely: Did you believe Harris was going to win? Did you believe her message of joy was resonating? Did you think Biden was competent, just a little tired? Were you shocked by the debate performance? Did you believe Iowa had a chance of going blue? Did you believe abortion would win the election for Harris?
You don’t have to tell me that your answer to all of these is yes. I know it is, because you live in a tightly sealed bubble.
But my answer to all of those questions is no, of course not. I knew months before the election that Trump was going to win, probably easily. I knew Biden was seriously incapacitated. I knew abortion wasn’t resonating as an issue. I knew the idea of Iowa being in play was laughable. Etc. Why? Specifically because I make efforts to consume media outside of DCUM-approved media. I listen to Rogan. I watch Fox. I also read the NYT, listen to Ezra Klein, etc.
You cannot understand what is going on in this country if you consume DCUM-approved media only. They lie, they cover up, they have a clear ideological slant. Of course Fox is the king of that, but to pretend Fox is alone in that is just deliberate blindness.
Take the issue of Biden’s incapacity. That should have been front-page, investigative journalism for DCUM media. But it wasn’t — in fact, they actively hid how incapacitated he was, choosing not to cover it. And yet, all the books coming out are proving what Fox (yes, Fox) and right wing media were saying about Biden months and months before the debate. There were videos of Biden clearly impaired available for months before the debate. But those videos only showed up on right wing media. If they showed up in left wing media or MSM, it was only to claim that they were manipulated videos. Spoiler alert: they weren’t.
I saw all that because I consume media across the political spectrum. So the debate performance was what I expected; I knew by then that Biden was seriously impaired. But you don’t have to tell me how shocked and horrified you were by that performance, because you are like all the other DCUM Democrats determined to remain in the bubble.
PP, you seem a bit deranged and again, I do not believe you are a moderate Dem based on this post.
I don’t need to consume conservative media constantly to reach my conclusions. My dad, uncles, aunts, half my cousin and two of my dearest fiends voted for Trump. We do talk politics and I am well aware of why they voted the way they did. But they are in a news bubble. They are not informed about the major national or international news stories impacting our country.
People who do know about major news events or understand major policy decisions are not in a bubble. It’s a false equivalence to claim that. Whether they understand the depths of the news bubble that surrounds conservative voters is a different question. I think too many well educated Dems approach Trump voters as if they are well informed and actively rejecting basic economic and moral principles. I disagree, and believe Trump voters are in a bubble and completely uninformed, to the point where it’s currently hard to even discuss major news stories or policy issues.
Take tariffs. Conservative media, to the extent they choose to cover tariffs, are claiming they are good and will bring manufacturing back to America. But they won’t discuss the nuances is Trump’s policy or dissenting views. They won’t cover the conflicting message from the administration, or concerns from business about the loss of capital due to the stock market crash or uncertainty related to unclear policy statements. And if they don’t hear these things from their news sources, they refuse to believe them. I know this because I had conversations on these topics this past week with my friends and family. I don’t need to consume right wing media to understand the bubble, I get a front row seat.
Fine, stay clueless and uninformed, since that’s what you obviously want. Continue to be shocked by election results that should have been blindingly obvious. That’s your choice. But don’t criticize MAGA for doing exactly what you do. You are in as much of a bubble as the people you criticize, but even worse than them, you are actively choosing to stay in that bubble. You could educate yourself. But you choose to remain ignorant.
I know why you won’t answer the questions I asked: because your answer would have been yes to every single one of them, and you can’t admit that, because it shows how isolated in your own bubble you are.
+1000 MAGA consists of poorly educated, typically innumerate people who don't understand logical reasoning. Democratic cultists, however, are willfully ignorant and lazy minded hacks. They have the education and resources to debunk the lies they believe, but are too morally bankrupt and obsessed with attacking those outside their cult to care about truth.
The DC-area UMC Trump-hating AUSA with two trans kids and a $1m+ home their parents gave them a downpayment for is as much a lost cause as any southern Trump-loving MAGA.
Yup. And they are as destructive as the MAGA, in their own way.
Really? what has the progressive left done on any scale similar to J6, crashing the US Economy and global economy and dismantling our government?
Run up the deficit, destroyed rigor in education, exacerbated the wealth gap, caused the 2008 recession with their idiotic home loan policies, drove crime up because of their idiotic policing policies, undercut the working class with migrant labor, etc.
J6 was an insurrection and Trump is causing the next Great Depression. But the idea that the progressive left isn’t harmful is blindly partisan.
I think you are making a bunch of bad faith arguments here.
Run up the deficit? Deficits increased the most under REPUBLICAN presidencies.
Destroyed rigor in education? Sounds like a GOP strawman, like "litter boxes for students who identify as cat gender." We wouldn't even have any educational standards in the first place if it weren't for Democrats.
Exacerbated the wealth gap? Again, that's GOP policy. Tax cuts and policies for the rich and "trickle down" that never trickles down.
2008 financial crisis came from a whole bunch of things like predatory lending, housing bubble, excessive risk-taking by lenders, along with Bush-driven deregulation. The dismantling of Glass Steagall was spearheaded by REPUBLICAN Phil Gramm.
As for "idiotic policing policies" you seem to forget that the BLM protests and "defund" talk happened BECAUSE OF idiotic policing policies. And for all the "defund" talk not much of that actually even happened in most of America. And where it did, it would be something like a 5% budget cut but suddenly the arrest rate dropped by 40% completely out of whack with the budget cut, and crime went up not because of policy but because many in police departments just stopped doing their jobs in silent protest because they had their feelings hurt by people saying mean words and cutting their budget a measly 5%.
Undercut the working class with migrant labor? Really? Migrants are filling demand NOT filled by American workers. Americans don't want to be out working in hot fields picking produce, cutting meat in a processing plant, and so on. Employers can't get Americans to take those jobs. The only place where they are actually undercutting American labor is in places like the tech sector where they snub qualified Americans to hire cheap Indians to write code.
As far as I'm concerned a whole lot of your ranty blame is entirely misplaced and whoever filled your head with all these ideas is misleading you.
Oh sorry, my bad. 😞 I forgot this is DCUM where Democrats never do anything wrong and anything bad that ever happens in the US is entirely the fault of Republicans. Sorry.
I'll ask you to go to one of your right rink news sites and find one instance and I mean just one where they admit that the Republicans might have made a mistake about something. I've never seen a party who is never wrong never at fault or anything. It's unreal.
Nobody in this thread thinks the Republicans are anything but awful. That doesn’t somehow make the Democrats good.
Really? You read this thread and came to the above conclusion? Are we reading the same thread?
Also what is up with the sudden proliferation of posts that basically argue that MAGA is bad but Dems are equally bad? It’s seems like in the last week the number of Dems that hate other Dems is through the roof.
The goal of the Russian trolls is to undermine confidence in all political parties and government. So, you're probably seeing an uptick in trolls. They have been incredibly successful in achieving Russia's goals so they are doubling down on their investment.
My daily reminder to the Vlads and Nadia’s on this board: Russian culture is nothing but an assortment of cheap knock offs of the West, your people are uncreative, feckless drunks, and the world would be better off if one of your poorly maintained nuclear bombs exploded on your homeland and wiped your debased race from the planet forever.
Anonymous wrote:NP. Yeah, I’m not so sure MAGA are the ones in the bubble. Or rather, they are in a bubble, but the people in the DCUM bubble are equally sealed. Why were so many DCUMs shocked at Trump’s win? That he was going to easily win was obvious to those of us who don’t rely solely on DCUM approved media sources.
I am a moderate, Harris-voting Democrat. (I would never vote for Trump.) I make it a point to consume both right and left wing media sources as well as MSM. And it is weird, what I read on DCUM sometimes. There is as much of a bubble here as you accuse the MAGA of living in.
FYI the right wing media is covering the protests. They aren’t hiding it. So this whole idea that Fox isn’t covering the protests, well that’s the product of your bubble, not reality. But you’d have to actually make a point of consuming right wing media sources to know that.
PP, go to the Fox News website right now and see what they are covering. Tell me if it’s even close for the biggest news stories affecting America right now.
Also how is a moderate Dem so attuned to how they covered protests that happened yesterday? Seems odd, as the only people who actually put that channel on that regularly are those who watch it.
Oh my God, can you even read? I told you in my post that I make it a point of consuming right wing media! Yes of course know how they covered it — I deliberately went to watch it, as I indeed regularly do, which I specifically told you. I go out of my way to consume right wing media specifically so I am not in the DCUM bubble. That is what I told you!
Jesus sometimes some of you here are so slow.
Sorry, but i honestly don’t believe that you spent an otherwise beautiful weekend watching Fox News. I am not slow, I think you are a typical maga-pretending to be moderate dem.
I do have to watch news occasionally because it’s all my dad will have on at his nursing home. It’s the same 7 stories repeated every hour, and most of them are not about the major issues impacting our country. I can tell my dad things that are going on in the world and he has no idea, because fox isn’t covering it. And their main website reflects that. That’s what a bubble looks like.
Pretending minor events are major stories and thereby ensuring your viewers are not well informed is what creates a bubble.
You are so sealed off and determined to remain that way that is amazing. And yes, I believe you are on the slower end. You couldn’t understand my post because the concepts in that post, the idea of deliberately consuming media outside the DCUM bubble, those concepts are complex and hard for you to understand.
Let’s break it down a bit more concretely: Did you believe Harris was going to win? Did you believe her message of joy was resonating? Did you think Biden was competent, just a little tired? Were you shocked by the debate performance? Did you believe Iowa had a chance of going blue? Did you believe abortion would win the election for Harris?
You don’t have to tell me that your answer to all of these is yes. I know it is, because you live in a tightly sealed bubble.
But my answer to all of those questions is no, of course not. I knew months before the election that Trump was going to win, probably easily. I knew Biden was seriously incapacitated. I knew abortion wasn’t resonating as an issue. I knew the idea of Iowa being in play was laughable. Etc. Why? Specifically because I make efforts to consume media outside of DCUM-approved media. I listen to Rogan. I watch Fox. I also read the NYT, listen to Ezra Klein, etc.
You cannot understand what is going on in this country if you consume DCUM-approved media only. They lie, they cover up, they have a clear ideological slant. Of course Fox is the king of that, but to pretend Fox is alone in that is just deliberate blindness.
Take the issue of Biden’s incapacity. That should have been front-page, investigative journalism for DCUM media. But it wasn’t — in fact, they actively hid how incapacitated he was, choosing not to cover it. And yet, all the books coming out are proving what Fox (yes, Fox) and right wing media were saying about Biden months and months before the debate. There were videos of Biden clearly impaired available for months before the debate. But those videos only showed up on right wing media. If they showed up in left wing media or MSM, it was only to claim that they were manipulated videos. Spoiler alert: they weren’t.
I saw all that because I consume media across the political spectrum. So the debate performance was what I expected; I knew by then that Biden was seriously impaired. But you don’t have to tell me how shocked and horrified you were by that performance, because you are like all the other DCUM Democrats determined to remain in the bubble.
PP, you seem a bit deranged and again, I do not believe you are a moderate Dem based on this post.
I don’t need to consume conservative media constantly to reach my conclusions. My dad, uncles, aunts, half my cousin and two of my dearest fiends voted for Trump. We do talk politics and I am well aware of why they voted the way they did. But they are in a news bubble. They are not informed about the major national or international news stories impacting our country.
People who do know about major news events or understand major policy decisions are not in a bubble. It’s a false equivalence to claim that. Whether they understand the depths of the news bubble that surrounds conservative voters is a different question. I think too many well educated Dems approach Trump voters as if they are well informed and actively rejecting basic economic and moral principles. I disagree, and believe Trump voters are in a bubble and completely uninformed, to the point where it’s currently hard to even discuss major news stories or policy issues.
Take tariffs. Conservative media, to the extent they choose to cover tariffs, are claiming they are good and will bring manufacturing back to America. But they won’t discuss the nuances is Trump’s policy or dissenting views. They won’t cover the conflicting message from the administration, or concerns from business about the loss of capital due to the stock market crash or uncertainty related to unclear policy statements. And if they don’t hear these things from their news sources, they refuse to believe them. I know this because I had conversations on these topics this past week with my friends and family. I don’t need to consume right wing media to understand the bubble, I get a front row seat.
Fine, stay clueless and uninformed, since that’s what you obviously want. Continue to be shocked by election results that should have been blindingly obvious. That’s your choice. But don’t criticize MAGA for doing exactly what you do. You are in as much of a bubble as the people you criticize, but even worse than them, you are actively choosing to stay in that bubble. You could educate yourself. But you choose to remain ignorant.
I know why you won’t answer the questions I asked: because your answer would have been yes to every single one of them, and you can’t admit that, because it shows how isolated in your own bubble you are.
+1000 MAGA consists of poorly educated, typically innumerate people who don't understand logical reasoning. Democratic cultists, however, are willfully ignorant and lazy minded hacks. They have the education and resources to debunk the lies they believe, but are too morally bankrupt and obsessed with attacking those outside their cult to care about truth.
The DC-area UMC Trump-hating AUSA with two trans kids and a $1m+ home their parents gave them a downpayment for is as much a lost cause as any southern Trump-loving MAGA.
Yup. And they are as destructive as the MAGA, in their own way.
Really? what has the progressive left done on any scale similar to J6, crashing the US Economy and global economy and dismantling our government?
Run up the deficit, destroyed rigor in education, exacerbated the wealth gap, caused the 2008 recession with their idiotic home loan policies, drove crime up because of their idiotic policing policies, undercut the working class with migrant labor, etc.
J6 was an insurrection and Trump is causing the next Great Depression. But the idea that the progressive left isn’t harmful is blindly partisan.
I think you are making a bunch of bad faith arguments here.
Run up the deficit? Deficits increased the most under REPUBLICAN presidencies.
Destroyed rigor in education? Sounds like a GOP strawman, like "litter boxes for students who identify as cat gender." We wouldn't even have any educational standards in the first place if it weren't for Democrats.
Exacerbated the wealth gap? Again, that's GOP policy. Tax cuts and policies for the rich and "trickle down" that never trickles down.
2008 financial crisis came from a whole bunch of things like predatory lending, housing bubble, excessive risk-taking by lenders, along with Bush-driven deregulation. The dismantling of Glass Steagall was spearheaded by REPUBLICAN Phil Gramm.
As for "idiotic policing policies" you seem to forget that the BLM protests and "defund" talk happened BECAUSE OF idiotic policing policies. And for all the "defund" talk not much of that actually even happened in most of America. And where it did, it would be something like a 5% budget cut but suddenly the arrest rate dropped by 40% completely out of whack with the budget cut, and crime went up not because of policy but because many in police departments just stopped doing their jobs in silent protest because they had their feelings hurt by people saying mean words and cutting their budget a measly 5%.
Undercut the working class with migrant labor? Really? Migrants are filling demand NOT filled by American workers. Americans don't want to be out working in hot fields picking produce, cutting meat in a processing plant, and so on. Employers can't get Americans to take those jobs. The only place where they are actually undercutting American labor is in places like the tech sector where they snub qualified Americans to hire cheap Indians to write code.
As far as I'm concerned a whole lot of your ranty blame is entirely misplaced and whoever filled your head with all these ideas is misleading you.
Oh sorry, my bad. 😞 I forgot this is DCUM where Democrats never do anything wrong and anything bad that ever happens in the US is entirely the fault of Republicans. Sorry.
No one said the democrats don't do anything wrong, but let's at least start from facts and a common understanding of history when discussing this. If someone is seriously ascribing blowing up the debt to democrats or suggests with a straight face that the GOP is better for the economy when 40 years of recent history demonstrates otherwise, then it is hard to have a rational discourse.
Anonymous wrote:Any amount of tariffs are worth it to keep trans women out of biological women's sports. I don't care if everyone in my neighborhood loses their jobs.
What? All your neighbors will lose their jobs and likely their houses, which will bring your house value down. All because four trans kids in the U.S. are playing sports??
Come on dude, you're making us look bad. Put on your critical reading hat.
Watching Fox right now. They are showing footage of the protests in several cities and asking people there what they are protesting... not that the answers they get from any of the protestors are coherent. But still, there's no news blackout.
Anonymous wrote:These people are living in a bubble. They only consume information that supports their beliefs. No facts can sway them. Sadly they represent large communities so the bubble is very large. In this bubble, Trump is smart, tariffs are good, firing Government workers is OK, and Putin is favored over their own fellow Americans, who are Democrats.
Nothing can burst their bubble as it is so comfortable to have a community that agrees with all of your views. It does not challenge you.
MAGA...party of uneducated fools. The worst part is how they seem to get off on other peoples pain. Screw them and their cruelty. History will not be kind to MAGA Nazis.
Watching Fox right now. They are showing footage of the protests in several cities and asking people there what they are protesting... not that the answers they get from any of the protestors are coherent. But still, there's no news blackout.
This thread seems to be off the rails.
It does call into question exactly what the goal of these protests are. They seem only intended to generate news stories to show that some people are doing something - when nothing is getting done at all. Protests mean nothing if you can't articulate clearly why you're protesting and the average American is ignoring you.
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