The MAGA and Republican bubble

[Anonymous]

Many liberals finally woke up and realized, “MAGA” is really just a mature version of the conservative (confederate) movement post new deal and civil right act. You’ve been in a cold political war for nearly 50-60 years, you lost the war, and they didn’t have to fire a shot.

Conservatives have a firm control of most aspects of American life and liberals are out of position to respond other than protesting and filibustering. Assuming you have fair elections again (your future: see NC Supreme Court ballot dispute), it will take liberals decades to unwind the damage.


Areas of dominant right wing control:
-US government and more than half of US state governships and legislators
-Media and communications (Facebook, Twitter, Sinclair Media, Instagram)
-Education: federal funds will be use to control education programming. Already happening at the prestigious institutions like Columbia and Harvard.
-Courts and the “justice” system
-Arts and Culture
-Military and law enforcement
-Health
-Science

Soon to be lost:
-Independent monetary policy
-Due process
-Fair(ish) elections
-Civil rights
-Freedom of religion
-Basic human rights for non-white conservative Christian men
-Citizenship

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Anonymous wrote:These people are living in a bubble. They only consume information that supports their beliefs. No facts can sway them. Sadly they represent large communities so the bubble is very large. In this bubble, Trump is smart, tariffs are good, firing Government workers is OK, and Putin is favored over their own fellow Americans, who are Democrats.

Nothing can burst their bubble as it is so comfortable to have a community that agrees with all of your views. It does not challenge you.

You got things flipped

The bubble is the inside the beltway crowd and the McLean/bethesda urban elites

The servants are revolting and they can’t figure out what is going on

But the McLean/Bethesda "urban elites" aren't the ones who will suffer.

I’m not the PP but my God the DCUM bubble is strong.

You do not understand. The jobless, underemployed working class men of all races who voted Trump into office are already suffering. They were suffering under Biden. They suffered under Trump v1. They suffered under Obama.

They’ve reached the “smash it all up stage” because they do not have any hope. And of course McLean/Bethesda elites suffer if the stock market is destroyed. How could they not? They’ll lose value in their market holdings.

My guess is that if you polled that group, Trump’s favorability ratings under the tariffs have gone up, not down. What do they care if the stock market is destroyed? Their lives are already miserable.

DCUM Democrats struggle to understand that Trump represents a class struggle moment, in which DCUM Democrats are seen as the bad guys.

Maybe these men wouldn’t have needed up in this situation if they had gotten a damn education or been willing to relocate for a job. Instead they were the types who goofed off in high school and made fun of people who studied hard. No one owes you a well paying job in the small town you grew up in. Smart people know you get an education and move to where the opportunity is. It’s the ultimate entitlement to think someone should bring opportunities to you. Times change and you adapt or get left behind. Screw them.

This!!!
It is the height of privilege to be whining about the loss of manufacturing jobs for half a century. Hollywood spent a lot of time dwelling on the costs of the decline of steel and factory jobs in the 80s. The country mourned with Hollywood and moved on. Time for these young men to focus on being serious and responsible.

This attitude is exactly why we have huge populations of angry and disaffected people. Increases in overdoses and deaths of despair. Senseless violence. Criminality. Just a general breakdown of the social contract.

We have to stop with the rugged individualism. We need to remember what it is to be a community and to take care of each other. Our response to folks telling us they are struggling cannot be "screw you." That's literally how we got Trump.

Everyone is struggling. Most people want to do their best. But hurt people hurt people. People with no hope do not make good long term decisions. People whose needs aren't met begin to hate anyone they see as competition for resources.

This is why MAGA works. If we stop looking down on these people with derision, listen to their struggles and address them, they'd be far less angry and fearful. You can't just say "screw you" to entire populations of people and expect it not to eventually affect everyone.

I did care about these people. I was a Bernie supporter back in 2016. Now I have “friends” I’ve known since childhood back in my hometown thinking DOGE is doing great and that me losing my fed gov job is just a price that must be paid,

Now I don’t give a crap what happens to them. Good news is we moved our investments around into cash and bonds because we knew the market would drop. We bought a SFH with 2.75% rate that has tons of equity (so even if real estate dips we can ride it out). And when things settle we’ll buy back into the market low. I’m already interviewing for a private sector job (likely paying more). We will benefit from Trump’s tax cuts.

And now all I have to say to MAGA about their complaints is too freaking bad, thank you for increasing my net worth you idiots. I do not give a crap whether they can ever own a home or maintain stable employment. I hope they have the life they voted for.

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Anonymous wrote:NP. Yeah, I’m not so sure MAGA are the ones in the bubble. Or rather, they are in a bubble, but the people in the DCUM bubble are equally sealed. Why were so many DCUMs shocked at Trump’s win? That he was going to easily win was obvious to those of us who don’t rely solely on DCUM approved media sources.

I am a moderate, Harris-voting Democrat. (I would never vote for Trump.) I make it a point to consume both right and left wing media sources as well as MSM. And it is weird, what I read on DCUM sometimes. There is as much of a bubble here as you accuse the MAGA of living in.

FYI the right wing media is covering the protests. They aren’t hiding it. So this whole idea that Fox isn’t covering the protests, well that’s the product of your bubble, not reality. But you’d have to actually make a point of consuming right wing media sources to know that.

PP, go to the Fox News website right now and see what they are covering. Tell me if it’s even close for the biggest news stories affecting America right now.

Also how is a moderate Dem so attuned to how they covered protests that happened yesterday? Seems odd, as the only people who actually put that channel on that regularly are those who watch it.

Oh my God, can you even read? I told you in my post that I make it a point of consuming right wing media! Yes of course know how they covered it — I deliberately went to watch it, as I indeed regularly do, which I specifically told you. I go out of my way to consume right wing media specifically so I am not in the DCUM bubble. That is what I told you!

Jesus sometimes some of you here are so slow.

Sorry, but i honestly don’t believe that you spent an otherwise beautiful weekend watching Fox News. I am not slow, I think you are a typical maga-pretending to be moderate dem.

I do have to watch news occasionally because it’s all my dad will have on at his nursing home. It’s the same 7 stories repeated every hour, and most of them are not about the major issues impacting our country. I can tell my dad things that are going on in the world and he has no idea, because fox isn’t covering it. And their main website reflects that. That’s what a bubble looks like.

Pretending minor events are major stories and thereby ensuring your viewers are not well informed is what creates a bubble.

You are so sealed off and determined to remain that way that is amazing. And yes, I believe you are on the slower end. You couldn’t understand my post because the concepts in that post, the idea of deliberately consuming media outside the DCUM bubble, those concepts are complex and hard for you to understand.

Let’s break it down a bit more concretely: Did you believe Harris was going to win? Did you believe her message of joy was resonating? Did you think Biden was competent, just a little tired? Were you shocked by the debate performance? Did you believe Iowa had a chance of going blue? Did you believe abortion would win the election for Harris?

You don’t have to tell me that your answer to all of these is yes. I know it is, because you live in a tightly sealed bubble.

But my answer to all of those questions is no, of course not. I knew months before the election that Trump was going to win, probably easily. I knew Biden was seriously incapacitated. I knew abortion wasn’t resonating as an issue. I knew the idea of Iowa being in play was laughable. Etc. Why? Specifically because I make efforts to consume media outside of DCUM-approved media. I listen to Rogan. I watch Fox. I also read the NYT, listen to Ezra Klein, etc.

You cannot understand what is going on in this country if you consume DCUM-approved media only. They lie, they cover up, they have a clear ideological slant. Of course Fox is the king of that, but to pretend Fox is alone in that is just deliberate blindness.

Take the issue of Biden’s incapacity. That should have been front-page, investigative journalism for DCUM media. But it wasn’t — in fact, they actively hid how incapacitated he was, choosing not to cover it. And yet, all the books coming out are proving what Fox (yes, Fox) and right wing media were saying about Biden months and months before the debate. There were videos of Biden clearly impaired available for months before the debate. But those videos only showed up on right wing media. If they showed up in left wing media or MSM, it was only to claim that they were manipulated videos. Spoiler alert: they weren’t.

I saw all that because I consume media across the political spectrum. So the debate performance was what I expected; I knew by then that Biden was seriously impaired. But you don’t have to tell me how shocked and horrified you were by that performance, because you are like all the other DCUM Democrats determined to remain in the bubble.

PP, you seem a bit deranged and again, I do not believe you are a moderate Dem based on this post.

I don’t need to consume conservative media constantly to reach my conclusions. My dad, uncles, aunts, half my cousin and two of my dearest fiends voted for Trump. We do talk politics and I am well aware of why they voted the way they did. But they are in a news bubble. They are not informed about the major national or international news stories impacting our country.

People who do know about major news events or understand major policy decisions are not in a bubble. It’s a false equivalence to claim that. Whether they understand the depths of the news bubble that surrounds conservative voters is a different question. I think too many well educated Dems approach Trump voters as if they are well informed and actively rejecting basic economic and moral principles. I disagree, and believe Trump voters are in a bubble and completely uninformed, to the point where it’s currently hard to even discuss major news stories or policy issues.

Take tariffs. Conservative media, to the extent they choose to cover tariffs, are claiming they are good and will bring manufacturing back to America. But they won’t discuss the nuances is Trump’s policy or dissenting views. They won’t cover the conflicting message from the administration, or concerns from business about the loss of capital due to the stock market crash or uncertainty related to unclear policy statements. And if they don’t hear these things from their news sources, they refuse to believe them. I know this because I had conversations on these topics this past week with my friends and family. I don’t need to consume right wing media to understand the bubble, I get a front row seat.

Fine, stay clueless and uninformed, since that’s what you obviously want. Continue to be shocked by election results that should have been blindingly obvious. That’s your choice. But don’t criticize MAGA for doing exactly what you do. You are in as much of a bubble as the people you criticize, but even worse than them, you are actively choosing to stay in that bubble. You could educate yourself. But you choose to remain ignorant.

I know why you won’t answer the questions I asked: because your answer would have been yes to every single one of them, and you can’t admit that, because it shows how isolated in your own bubble you are.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Many liberals finally woke up and realized, “MAGA” is really just a mature version of the conservative (confederate) movement post new deal and civil right act. You’ve been in a cold political war for nearly 50-60 years, you lost the war, and they didn’t have to fire a shot.

Conservatives have a firm control of most aspects of American life and liberals are out of position to respond other than protesting and filibustering. Assuming you have fair elections again (your future: see NC Supreme Court ballot dispute), it will take liberals decades to unwind the damage.


Areas of dominant right wing control:
-US government and more than half of US state governships and legislators
-Media and communications (Facebook, Twitter, Sinclair Media, Instagram)
-Education: federal funds will be use to control education programming. Already happening at the prestigious institutions like Columbia and Harvard.
-Courts and the “justice” system
-Arts and Culture
-Military and law enforcement
-Health
-Science

Soon to be lost:
-Independent monetary policy
-Due process
-Fair(ish) elections
-Civil rights
-Freedom of religion
-Basic human rights for non-white conservative Christian men
-Citizenship

What a bunch of nonsense

Inflation and immigration where the reasons democrats lost

Immigration would have been so easy to stop. Trump did it within a month. Biden said there was nothing he could do for 3 1/2 years. Until there was something he could do. It was a policy decision to expand immigration by democrats and they lost because of it

Fools

[Anonymous]

I don’t know any MAGA folks who were truly suffering (and unfortunately I know a lot of MAGA folks). The ones I know are bitter and angry because they’re not rich and powerful and respected, but there isn’t anything actually wrong with their lives.

They’re a bunch of immature adults acting like entitled, coddled children who are and have always been and apparently always will be utterly incapable of appreciating what they have.

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Anonymous wrote:NP. Yeah, I’m not so sure MAGA are the ones in the bubble. Or rather, they are in a bubble, but the people in the DCUM bubble are equally sealed. Why were so many DCUMs shocked at Trump’s win? That he was going to easily win was obvious to those of us who don’t rely solely on DCUM approved media sources.

I am a moderate, Harris-voting Democrat. (I would never vote for Trump.) I make it a point to consume both right and left wing media sources as well as MSM. And it is weird, what I read on DCUM sometimes. There is as much of a bubble here as you accuse the MAGA of living in.

FYI the right wing media is covering the protests. They aren’t hiding it. So this whole idea that Fox isn’t covering the protests, well that’s the product of your bubble, not reality. But you’d have to actually make a point of consuming right wing media sources to know that.

PP, go to the Fox News website right now and see what they are covering. Tell me if it’s even close for the biggest news stories affecting America right now.

Also how is a moderate Dem so attuned to how they covered protests that happened yesterday? Seems odd, as the only people who actually put that channel on that regularly are those who watch it.

Oh my God, can you even read? I told you in my post that I make it a point of consuming right wing media! Yes of course know how they covered it — I deliberately went to watch it, as I indeed regularly do, which I specifically told you. I go out of my way to consume right wing media specifically so I am not in the DCUM bubble. That is what I told you!

Jesus sometimes some of you here are so slow.

Sorry, but i honestly don’t believe that you spent an otherwise beautiful weekend watching Fox News. I am not slow, I think you are a typical maga-pretending to be moderate dem.

I do have to watch news occasionally because it’s all my dad will have on at his nursing home. It’s the same 7 stories repeated every hour, and most of them are not about the major issues impacting our country. I can tell my dad things that are going on in the world and he has no idea, because fox isn’t covering it. And their main website reflects that. That’s what a bubble looks like.

Pretending minor events are major stories and thereby ensuring your viewers are not well informed is what creates a bubble.

You are so sealed off and determined to remain that way that is amazing. And yes, I believe you are on the slower end. You couldn’t understand my post because the concepts in that post, the idea of deliberately consuming media outside the DCUM bubble, those concepts are complex and hard for you to understand.

Let’s break it down a bit more concretely: Did you believe Harris was going to win? Did you believe her message of joy was resonating? Did you think Biden was competent, just a little tired? Were you shocked by the debate performance? Did you believe Iowa had a chance of going blue? Did you believe abortion would win the election for Harris?

You don’t have to tell me that your answer to all of these is yes. I know it is, because you live in a tightly sealed bubble.

But my answer to all of those questions is no, of course not. I knew months before the election that Trump was going to win, probably easily. I knew Biden was seriously incapacitated. I knew abortion wasn’t resonating as an issue. I knew the idea of Iowa being in play was laughable. Etc. Why? Specifically because I make efforts to consume media outside of DCUM-approved media. I listen to Rogan. I watch Fox. I also read the NYT, listen to Ezra Klein, etc.

You cannot understand what is going on in this country if you consume DCUM-approved media only. They lie, they cover up, they have a clear ideological slant. Of course Fox is the king of that, but to pretend Fox is alone in that is just deliberate blindness.

Take the issue of Biden’s incapacity. That should have been front-page, investigative journalism for DCUM media. But it wasn’t — in fact, they actively hid how incapacitated he was, choosing not to cover it. And yet, all the books coming out are proving what Fox (yes, Fox) and right wing media were saying about Biden months and months before the debate. There were videos of Biden clearly impaired available for months before the debate. But those videos only showed up on right wing media. If they showed up in left wing media or MSM, it was only to claim that they were manipulated videos. Spoiler alert: they weren’t.

I saw all that because I consume media across the political spectrum. So the debate performance was what I expected; I knew by then that Biden was seriously impaired. But you don’t have to tell me how shocked and horrified you were by that performance, because you are like all the other DCUM Democrats determined to remain in the bubble.

PP, you seem a bit deranged and again, I do not believe you are a moderate Dem based on this post.

I don’t need to consume conservative media constantly to reach my conclusions. My dad, uncles, aunts, half my cousin and two of my dearest fiends voted for Trump. We do talk politics and I am well aware of why they voted the way they did. But they are in a news bubble. They are not informed about the major national or international news stories impacting our country.

People who do know about major news events or understand major policy decisions are not in a bubble. It’s a false equivalence to claim that. Whether they understand the depths of the news bubble that surrounds conservative voters is a different question. I think too many well educated Dems approach Trump voters as if they are well informed and actively rejecting basic economic and moral principles. I disagree, and believe Trump voters are in a bubble and completely uninformed, to the point where it’s currently hard to even discuss major news stories or policy issues.

Take tariffs. Conservative media, to the extent they choose to cover tariffs, are claiming they are good and will bring manufacturing back to America. But they won’t discuss the nuances is Trump’s policy or dissenting views. They won’t cover the conflicting message from the administration, or concerns from business about the loss of capital due to the stock market crash or uncertainty related to unclear policy statements. And if they don’t hear these things from their news sources, they refuse to believe them. I know this because I had conversations on these topics this past week with my friends and family. I don’t need to consume right wing media to understand the bubble, I get a front row seat.

Fine, stay clueless and uninformed, since that’s what you obviously want. Continue to be shocked by election results that should have been blindingly obvious. That’s your choice. But don’t criticize MAGA for doing exactly what you do. You are in as much of a bubble as the people you criticize, but even worse than them, you are actively choosing to stay in that bubble. You could educate yourself. But you choose to remain ignorant.

I know why you won’t answer the questions I asked: because your answer would have been yes to every single one of them, and you can’t admit that, because it shows how isolated in your own bubble you are.

PP, why do you think I should have to answer your questions? What in my posts led you to the conclusion I am uniformed? Where did I say I was shocked by the election results?

Are you having a conversation with the person you are quoting or some imaginary third party?

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Anonymous wrote:NP. Yeah, I’m not so sure MAGA are the ones in the bubble. Or rather, they are in a bubble, but the people in the DCUM bubble are equally sealed. Why were so many DCUMs shocked at Trump’s win? That he was going to easily win was obvious to those of us who don’t rely solely on DCUM approved media sources.

I am a moderate, Harris-voting Democrat. (I would never vote for Trump.) I make it a point to consume both right and left wing media sources as well as MSM. And it is weird, what I read on DCUM sometimes. There is as much of a bubble here as you accuse the MAGA of living in.

FYI the right wing media is covering the protests. They aren’t hiding it. So this whole idea that Fox isn’t covering the protests, well that’s the product of your bubble, not reality. But you’d have to actually make a point of consuming right wing media sources to know that.

PP, go to the Fox News website right now and see what they are covering. Tell me if it’s even close for the biggest news stories affecting America right now.

Also how is a moderate Dem so attuned to how they covered protests that happened yesterday? Seems odd, as the only people who actually put that channel on that regularly are those who watch it.

Oh my God, can you even read? I told you in my post that I make it a point of consuming right wing media! Yes of course know how they covered it — I deliberately went to watch it, as I indeed regularly do, which I specifically told you. I go out of my way to consume right wing media specifically so I am not in the DCUM bubble. That is what I told you!

Jesus sometimes some of you here are so slow.

Sorry, but i honestly don’t believe that you spent an otherwise beautiful weekend watching Fox News. I am not slow, I think you are a typical maga-pretending to be moderate dem.

I do have to watch news occasionally because it’s all my dad will have on at his nursing home. It’s the same 7 stories repeated every hour, and most of them are not about the major issues impacting our country. I can tell my dad things that are going on in the world and he has no idea, because fox isn’t covering it. And their main website reflects that. That’s what a bubble looks like.

Pretending minor events are major stories and thereby ensuring your viewers are not well informed is what creates a bubble.

You are so sealed off and determined to remain that way that is amazing. And yes, I believe you are on the slower end. You couldn’t understand my post because the concepts in that post, the idea of deliberately consuming media outside the DCUM bubble, those concepts are complex and hard for you to understand.

Let’s break it down a bit more concretely: Did you believe Harris was going to win? Did you believe her message of joy was resonating? Did you think Biden was competent, just a little tired? Were you shocked by the debate performance? Did you believe Iowa had a chance of going blue? Did you believe abortion would win the election for Harris?

You don’t have to tell me that your answer to all of these is yes. I know it is, because you live in a tightly sealed bubble.

But my answer to all of those questions is no, of course not. I knew months before the election that Trump was going to win, probably easily. I knew Biden was seriously incapacitated. I knew abortion wasn’t resonating as an issue. I knew the idea of Iowa being in play was laughable. Etc. Why? Specifically because I make efforts to consume media outside of DCUM-approved media. I listen to Rogan. I watch Fox. I also read the NYT, listen to Ezra Klein, etc.

You cannot understand what is going on in this country if you consume DCUM-approved media only. They lie, they cover up, they have a clear ideological slant. Of course Fox is the king of that, but to pretend Fox is alone in that is just deliberate blindness.

Take the issue of Biden’s incapacity. That should have been front-page, investigative journalism for DCUM media. But it wasn’t — in fact, they actively hid how incapacitated he was, choosing not to cover it. And yet, all the books coming out are proving what Fox (yes, Fox) and right wing media were saying about Biden months and months before the debate. There were videos of Biden clearly impaired available for months before the debate. But those videos only showed up on right wing media. If they showed up in left wing media or MSM, it was only to claim that they were manipulated videos. Spoiler alert: they weren’t.

I saw all that because I consume media across the political spectrum. So the debate performance was what I expected; I knew by then that Biden was seriously impaired. But you don’t have to tell me how shocked and horrified you were by that performance, because you are like all the other DCUM Democrats determined to remain in the bubble.

PP, you seem a bit deranged and again, I do not believe you are a moderate Dem based on this post.

I don’t need to consume conservative media constantly to reach my conclusions. My dad, uncles, aunts, half my cousin and two of my dearest fiends voted for Trump. We do talk politics and I am well aware of why they voted the way they did. But they are in a news bubble. They are not informed about the major national or international news stories impacting our country.

People who do know about major news events or understand major policy decisions are not in a bubble. It’s a false equivalence to claim that. Whether they understand the depths of the news bubble that surrounds conservative voters is a different question. I think too many well educated Dems approach Trump voters as if they are well informed and actively rejecting basic economic and moral principles. I disagree, and believe Trump voters are in a bubble and completely uninformed, to the point where it’s currently hard to even discuss major news stories or policy issues.

Take tariffs. Conservative media, to the extent they choose to cover tariffs, are claiming they are good and will bring manufacturing back to America. But they won’t discuss the nuances is Trump’s policy or dissenting views. They won’t cover the conflicting message from the administration, or concerns from business about the loss of capital due to the stock market crash or uncertainty related to unclear policy statements. And if they don’t hear these things from their news sources, they refuse to believe them. I know this because I had conversations on these topics this past week with my friends and family. I don’t need to consume right wing media to understand the bubble, I get a front row seat.

Fine, stay clueless and uninformed, since that’s what you obviously want. Continue to be shocked by election results that should have been blindingly obvious. That’s your choice. But don’t criticize MAGA for doing exactly what you do. You are in as much of a bubble as the people you criticize, but even worse than them, you are actively choosing to stay in that bubble. You could educate yourself. But you choose to remain ignorant.

I know why you won’t answer the questions I asked: because your answer would have been yes to every single one of them, and you can’t admit that, because it shows how isolated in your own bubble you are.

PP, why do you think I should have to answer your questions? What in my posts led you to the conclusion I am uniformed? Where did I say I was shocked by the election results?

Are you having a conversation with the person you are quoting or some imaginary third party?

Pretty much every word of your posts show how uninformed you are. I’d have to quote you the whole thing.

And yes, you don’t need to answer the questions. I already know your answers.

[Anonymous]

I don’t see how anyone who read the Biden-Trump debate thread here on the night of the debate can claim with a straight face that most posters here aren’t in as much of a bubble as MAGA are.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:A big part of it is Fox " news" and its shameful lack of coverage of major eevens that might be unfavorable to Trump. Nothing on the stock market crash due to Liberation Day. Stock ticker removed from their site! Nothing today on the Hands Off protests across the country. SMH.

In all fairness it was prominent on the Fox Business website.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t see how anyone who read the Biden-Trump debate thread here on the night of the debate can claim with a straight face that most posters here aren’t in as much of a bubble as MAGA are.

Care to move on to 2025?

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Anonymous wrote:NP. Yeah, I’m not so sure MAGA are the ones in the bubble. Or rather, they are in a bubble, but the people in the DCUM bubble are equally sealed. Why were so many DCUMs shocked at Trump’s win? That he was going to easily win was obvious to those of us who don’t rely solely on DCUM approved media sources.

I am a moderate, Harris-voting Democrat. (I would never vote for Trump.) I make it a point to consume both right and left wing media sources as well as MSM. And it is weird, what I read on DCUM sometimes. There is as much of a bubble here as you accuse the MAGA of living in.

FYI the right wing media is covering the protests. They aren’t hiding it. So this whole idea that Fox isn’t covering the protests, well that’s the product of your bubble, not reality. But you’d have to actually make a point of consuming right wing media sources to know that.

PP, go to the Fox News website right now and see what they are covering. Tell me if it’s even close for the biggest news stories affecting America right now.

Also how is a moderate Dem so attuned to how they covered protests that happened yesterday? Seems odd, as the only people who actually put that channel on that regularly are those who watch it.

Oh my God, can you even read? I told you in my post that I make it a point of consuming right wing media! Yes of course know how they covered it — I deliberately went to watch it, as I indeed regularly do, which I specifically told you. I go out of my way to consume right wing media specifically so I am not in the DCUM bubble. That is what I told you!

Jesus sometimes some of you here are so slow.

Sorry, but i honestly don’t believe that you spent an otherwise beautiful weekend watching Fox News. I am not slow, I think you are a typical maga-pretending to be moderate dem.

I do have to watch news occasionally because it’s all my dad will have on at his nursing home. It’s the same 7 stories repeated every hour, and most of them are not about the major issues impacting our country. I can tell my dad things that are going on in the world and he has no idea, because fox isn’t covering it. And their main website reflects that. That’s what a bubble looks like.

Pretending minor events are major stories and thereby ensuring your viewers are not well informed is what creates a bubble.

You are so sealed off and determined to remain that way that is amazing. And yes, I believe you are on the slower end. You couldn’t understand my post because the concepts in that post, the idea of deliberately consuming media outside the DCUM bubble, those concepts are complex and hard for you to understand.

Let’s break it down a bit more concretely: Did you believe Harris was going to win? Did you believe her message of joy was resonating? Did you think Biden was competent, just a little tired? Were you shocked by the debate performance? Did you believe Iowa had a chance of going blue? Did you believe abortion would win the election for Harris?

You don’t have to tell me that your answer to all of these is yes. I know it is, because you live in a tightly sealed bubble.

But my answer to all of those questions is no, of course not. I knew months before the election that Trump was going to win, probably easily. I knew Biden was seriously incapacitated. I knew abortion wasn’t resonating as an issue. I knew the idea of Iowa being in play was laughable. Etc. Why? Specifically because I make efforts to consume media outside of DCUM-approved media. I listen to Rogan. I watch Fox. I also read the NYT, listen to Ezra Klein, etc.

You cannot understand what is going on in this country if you consume DCUM-approved media only. They lie, they cover up, they have a clear ideological slant. Of course Fox is the king of that, but to pretend Fox is alone in that is just deliberate blindness.

Take the issue of Biden’s incapacity. That should have been front-page, investigative journalism for DCUM media. But it wasn’t — in fact, they actively hid how incapacitated he was, choosing not to cover it. And yet, all the books coming out are proving what Fox (yes, Fox) and right wing media were saying about Biden months and months before the debate. There were videos of Biden clearly impaired available for months before the debate. But those videos only showed up on right wing media. If they showed up in left wing media or MSM, it was only to claim that they were manipulated videos. Spoiler alert: they weren’t.

I saw all that because I consume media across the political spectrum. So the debate performance was what I expected; I knew by then that Biden was seriously impaired. But you don’t have to tell me how shocked and horrified you were by that performance, because you are like all the other DCUM Democrats determined to remain in the bubble.

PP, you seem a bit deranged and again, I do not believe you are a moderate Dem based on this post.

I don’t need to consume conservative media constantly to reach my conclusions. My dad, uncles, aunts, half my cousin and two of my dearest fiends voted for Trump. We do talk politics and I am well aware of why they voted the way they did. But they are in a news bubble. They are not informed about the major national or international news stories impacting our country.

People who do know about major news events or understand major policy decisions are not in a bubble. It’s a false equivalence to claim that. Whether they understand the depths of the news bubble that surrounds conservative voters is a different question. I think too many well educated Dems approach Trump voters as if they are well informed and actively rejecting basic economic and moral principles. I disagree, and believe Trump voters are in a bubble and completely uninformed, to the point where it’s currently hard to even discuss major news stories or policy issues.

Take tariffs. Conservative media, to the extent they choose to cover tariffs, are claiming they are good and will bring manufacturing back to America. But they won’t discuss the nuances is Trump’s policy or dissenting views. They won’t cover the conflicting message from the administration, or concerns from business about the loss of capital due to the stock market crash or uncertainty related to unclear policy statements. And if they don’t hear these things from their news sources, they refuse to believe them. I know this because I had conversations on these topics this past week with my friends and family. I don’t need to consume right wing media to understand the bubble, I get a front row seat.

Fine, stay clueless and uninformed, since that’s what you obviously want. Continue to be shocked by election results that should have been blindingly obvious. That’s your choice. But don’t criticize MAGA for doing exactly what you do. You are in as much of a bubble as the people you criticize, but even worse than them, you are actively choosing to stay in that bubble. You could educate yourself. But you choose to remain ignorant.

I know why you won’t answer the questions I asked: because your answer would have been yes to every single one of them, and you can’t admit that, because it shows how isolated in your own bubble you are.

PP, why do you think I should have to answer your questions? What in my posts led you to the conclusion I am uniformed? Where did I say I was shocked by the election results?

Are you having a conversation with the person you are quoting or some imaginary third party?

Pretty much every word of your posts show how uninformed you are. I’d have to quote you the whole thing.

And yes, you don’t need to answer the questions. I already know your answers.

Oh, come on PP, you can do it! You can point out what is uniformed and respond accordingly. I believe in you! Put that moderate dem brain to work!

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t see how anyone who read the Biden-Trump debate thread here on the night of the debate can claim with a straight face that most posters here aren’t in as much of a bubble as MAGA are.

Care to move on to 2025?

Why, because liberal Democrats have suddenly moved out of their bubble? lol. The delusion is so strong here.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t see how anyone who read the Biden-Trump debate thread here on the night of the debate can claim with a straight face that most posters here aren’t in as much of a bubble as MAGA are.

Care to move on to 2025?

Why, because liberal Democrats have suddenly moved out of their bubble? lol. The delusion is so strong here.

Everyone is much poorer now

I can see why you whst yo remain in the past. MAGA!

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It seems to be people against the president are going through the exact feelings his supporters did 4 years ago, especially when they believed the Dems cheated. They felt they lost their country and the rule of law was gone and they'd be under the thumb of liberal orthodoxy. Now, the left feels that way with the right's current actions. The shame is either side largely can't spend enough time to see it through the other's eyes.

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Anonymous wrote:NP. Yeah, I’m not so sure MAGA are the ones in the bubble. Or rather, they are in a bubble, but the people in the DCUM bubble are equally sealed. Why were so many DCUMs shocked at Trump’s win? That he was going to easily win was obvious to those of us who don’t rely solely on DCUM approved media sources.

I am a moderate, Harris-voting Democrat. (I would never vote for Trump.) I make it a point to consume both right and left wing media sources as well as MSM. And it is weird, what I read on DCUM sometimes. There is as much of a bubble here as you accuse the MAGA of living in.

FYI the right wing media is covering the protests. They aren’t hiding it. So this whole idea that Fox isn’t covering the protests, well that’s the product of your bubble, not reality. But you’d have to actually make a point of consuming right wing media sources to know that.

PP, go to the Fox News website right now and see what they are covering. Tell me if it’s even close for the biggest news stories affecting America right now.

Also how is a moderate Dem so attuned to how they covered protests that happened yesterday? Seems odd, as the only people who actually put that channel on that regularly are those who watch it.

Oh my God, can you even read? I told you in my post that I make it a point of consuming right wing media! Yes of course know how they covered it — I deliberately went to watch it, as I indeed regularly do, which I specifically told you. I go out of my way to consume right wing media specifically so I am not in the DCUM bubble. That is what I told you!

Jesus sometimes some of you here are so slow.

Sorry, but i honestly don’t believe that you spent an otherwise beautiful weekend watching Fox News. I am not slow, I think you are a typical maga-pretending to be moderate dem.

I do have to watch news occasionally because it’s all my dad will have on at his nursing home. It’s the same 7 stories repeated every hour, and most of them are not about the major issues impacting our country. I can tell my dad things that are going on in the world and he has no idea, because fox isn’t covering it. And their main website reflects that. That’s what a bubble looks like.

Pretending minor events are major stories and thereby ensuring your viewers are not well informed is what creates a bubble.

You are so sealed off and determined to remain that way that is amazing. And yes, I believe you are on the slower end. You couldn’t understand my post because the concepts in that post, the idea of deliberately consuming media outside the DCUM bubble, those concepts are complex and hard for you to understand.

Let’s break it down a bit more concretely: Did you believe Harris was going to win? Did you believe her message of joy was resonating? Did you think Biden was competent, just a little tired? Were you shocked by the debate performance? Did you believe Iowa had a chance of going blue? Did you believe abortion would win the election for Harris?

You don’t have to tell me that your answer to all of these is yes. I know it is, because you live in a tightly sealed bubble.

But my answer to all of those questions is no, of course not. I knew months before the election that Trump was going to win, probably easily. I knew Biden was seriously incapacitated. I knew abortion wasn’t resonating as an issue. I knew the idea of Iowa being in play was laughable. Etc. Why? Specifically because I make efforts to consume media outside of DCUM-approved media. I listen to Rogan. I watch Fox. I also read the NYT, listen to Ezra Klein, etc.

You cannot understand what is going on in this country if you consume DCUM-approved media only. They lie, they cover up, they have a clear ideological slant. Of course Fox is the king of that, but to pretend Fox is alone in that is just deliberate blindness.

Take the issue of Biden’s incapacity. That should have been front-page, investigative journalism for DCUM media. But it wasn’t — in fact, they actively hid how incapacitated he was, choosing not to cover it. And yet, all the books coming out are proving what Fox (yes, Fox) and right wing media were saying about Biden months and months before the debate. There were videos of Biden clearly impaired available for months before the debate. But those videos only showed up on right wing media. If they showed up in left wing media or MSM, it was only to claim that they were manipulated videos. Spoiler alert: they weren’t.

I saw all that because I consume media across the political spectrum. So the debate performance was what I expected; I knew by then that Biden was seriously impaired. But you don’t have to tell me how shocked and horrified you were by that performance, because you are like all the other DCUM Democrats determined to remain in the bubble.

PP, you seem a bit deranged and again, I do not believe you are a moderate Dem based on this post.

I don’t need to consume conservative media constantly to reach my conclusions. My dad, uncles, aunts, half my cousin and two of my dearest fiends voted for Trump. We do talk politics and I am well aware of why they voted the way they did. But they are in a news bubble. They are not informed about the major national or international news stories impacting our country.

People who do know about major news events or understand major policy decisions are not in a bubble. It’s a false equivalence to claim that. Whether they understand the depths of the news bubble that surrounds conservative voters is a different question. I think too many well educated Dems approach Trump voters as if they are well informed and actively rejecting basic economic and moral principles. I disagree, and believe Trump voters are in a bubble and completely uninformed, to the point where it’s currently hard to even discuss major news stories or policy issues.

Take tariffs. Conservative media, to the extent they choose to cover tariffs, are claiming they are good and will bring manufacturing back to America. But they won’t discuss the nuances is Trump’s policy or dissenting views. They won’t cover the conflicting message from the administration, or concerns from business about the loss of capital due to the stock market crash or uncertainty related to unclear policy statements. And if they don’t hear these things from their news sources, they refuse to believe them. I know this because I had conversations on these topics this past week with my friends and family. I don’t need to consume right wing media to understand the bubble, I get a front row seat.

Fine, stay clueless and uninformed, since that’s what you obviously want. Continue to be shocked by election results that should have been blindingly obvious. That’s your choice. But don’t criticize MAGA for doing exactly what you do. You are in as much of a bubble as the people you criticize, but even worse than them, you are actively choosing to stay in that bubble. You could educate yourself. But you choose to remain ignorant.

I know why you won’t answer the questions I asked: because your answer would have been yes to every single one of them, and you can’t admit that, because it shows how isolated in your own bubble you are.

PP, why do you think I should have to answer your questions? What in my posts led you to the conclusion I am uniformed? Where did I say I was shocked by the election results?

Are you having a conversation with the person you are quoting or some imaginary third party?

Pretty much every word of your posts show how uninformed you are. I’d have to quote you the whole thing.

And yes, you don’t need to answer the questions. I already know your answers.

Oh, come on PP, you can do it! You can point out what is uniformed and respond accordingly. I believe in you! Put that moderate dem brain to work!

Sigh, okay. First, you don’t understand the concept of consuming media across the political spectrum. Never mind that the concept of tracking media across the political spectrum is media literacy 101, something that books are written about and political analysts study closely. But you know better! You don’t need media literacy! You say don’t need to practice media literacy because you have talked to a few MAGA you know personally or watched Fox a few times when it was on at your father’s nursing home. That’s flatly uniformed and ignorant, and you admitted it outright.

Second, you can’t conceive of someone who voted for the same candidate you did taking the time to consume opposition media. You accuse me of being MAGA, simply because I invest time in keeping tabs on politically diverse media. That’s anti-intellectual tribalism, and also ignorant.

Third, you don’t seem to understand the difference between anecdotes and data. You conflate all Trump voters with your own friends and family, who are almost certainly white and old. That’s wildly ignorant, particularly given the demographic shifts that occurred in the last election (and that are documented by your own bubble media, as well as media outside your bubble). You cannot possibly understand what propelled Trump to power if your narrow viewpoint is defined by what your own bubble media tells you and your cousin, your dad, and your aunts and uncles say. That’s just determined blindness.

Encountering dissenting opinions won’t melt you, contrary to what you obviously believe. You seem proud to remain ignorant, and that’s your choice. But don’t think you’re any more informed than the MAGA. You aren’t.