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Anonymous wrote:NP. Yeah, I’m not so sure MAGA are the ones in the bubble. Or rather, they are in a bubble, but the people in the DCUM bubble are equally sealed. Why were so many DCUMs shocked at Trump’s win? That he was going to easily win was obvious to those of us who don’t rely solely on DCUM approved media sources.

I am a moderate, Harris-voting Democrat. (I would never vote for Trump.) I make it a point to consume both right and left wing media sources as well as MSM. And it is weird, what I read on DCUM sometimes. There is as much of a bubble here as you accuse the MAGA of living in.

FYI the right wing media is covering the protests. They aren’t hiding it. So this whole idea that Fox isn’t covering the protests, well that’s the product of your bubble, not reality. But you’d have to actually make a point of consuming right wing media sources to know that.

PP, go to the Fox News website right now and see what they are covering. Tell me if it’s even close for the biggest news stories affecting America right now.

Also how is a moderate Dem so attuned to how they covered protests that happened yesterday? Seems odd, as the only people who actually put that channel on that regularly are those who watch it.

Oh my God, can you even read? I told you in my post that I make it a point of consuming right wing media! Yes of course know how they covered it — I deliberately went to watch it, as I indeed regularly do, which I specifically told you. I go out of my way to consume right wing media specifically so I am not in the DCUM bubble. That is what I told you!

Jesus sometimes some of you here are so slow.

Sorry, but i honestly don’t believe that you spent an otherwise beautiful weekend watching Fox News. I am not slow, I think you are a typical maga-pretending to be moderate dem.

I do have to watch news occasionally because it’s all my dad will have on at his nursing home. It’s the same 7 stories repeated every hour, and most of them are not about the major issues impacting our country. I can tell my dad things that are going on in the world and he has no idea, because fox isn’t covering it. And their main website reflects that. That’s what a bubble looks like.

Pretending minor events are major stories and thereby ensuring your viewers are not well informed is what creates a bubble.

You are so sealed off and determined to remain that way that is amazing. And yes, I believe you are on the slower end. You couldn’t understand my post because the concepts in that post, the idea of deliberately consuming media outside the DCUM bubble, those concepts are complex and hard for you to understand.

Let’s break it down a bit more concretely: Did you believe Harris was going to win? Did you believe her message of joy was resonating? Did you think Biden was competent, just a little tired? Were you shocked by the debate performance? Did you believe Iowa had a chance of going blue? Did you believe abortion would win the election for Harris?

You don’t have to tell me that your answer to all of these is yes. I know it is, because you live in a tightly sealed bubble.

But my answer to all of those questions is no, of course not. I knew months before the election that Trump was going to win, probably easily. I knew Biden was seriously incapacitated. I knew abortion wasn’t resonating as an issue. I knew the idea of Iowa being in play was laughable. Etc. Why? Specifically because I make efforts to consume media outside of DCUM-approved media. I listen to Rogan. I watch Fox. I also read the NYT, listen to Ezra Klein, etc.

You cannot understand what is going on in this country if you consume DCUM-approved media only. They lie, they cover up, they have a clear ideological slant. Of course Fox is the king of that, but to pretend Fox is alone in that is just deliberate blindness.

Take the issue of Biden’s incapacity. That should have been front-page, investigative journalism for DCUM media. But it wasn’t — in fact, they actively hid how incapacitated he was, choosing not to cover it. And yet, all the books coming out are proving what Fox (yes, Fox) and right wing media were saying about Biden months and months before the debate. There were videos of Biden clearly impaired available for months before the debate. But those videos only showed up on right wing media. If they showed up in left wing media or MSM, it was only to claim that they were manipulated videos. Spoiler alert: they weren’t.

I saw all that because I consume media across the political spectrum. So the debate performance was what I expected; I knew by then that Biden was seriously impaired. But you don’t have to tell me how shocked and horrified you were by that performance, because you are like all the other DCUM Democrats determined to remain in the bubble.

PP, you seem a bit deranged and again, I do not believe you are a moderate Dem based on this post.

I don’t need to consume conservative media constantly to reach my conclusions. My dad, uncles, aunts, half my cousin and two of my dearest fiends voted for Trump. We do talk politics and I am well aware of why they voted the way they did. But they are in a news bubble. They are not informed about the major national or international news stories impacting our country.

People who do know about major news events or understand major policy decisions are not in a bubble. It’s a false equivalence to claim that. Whether they understand the depths of the news bubble that surrounds conservative voters is a different question. I think too many well educated Dems approach Trump voters as if they are well informed and actively rejecting basic economic and moral principles. I disagree, and believe Trump voters are in a bubble and completely uninformed, to the point where it’s currently hard to even discuss major news stories or policy issues.

Take tariffs. Conservative media, to the extent they choose to cover tariffs, are claiming they are good and will bring manufacturing back to America. But they won’t discuss the nuances is Trump’s policy or dissenting views. They won’t cover the conflicting message from the administration, or concerns from business about the loss of capital due to the stock market crash or uncertainty related to unclear policy statements. And if they don’t hear these things from their news sources, they refuse to believe them. I know this because I had conversations on these topics this past week with my friends and family. I don’t need to consume right wing media to understand the bubble, I get a front row seat.

Fine, stay clueless and uninformed, since that’s what you obviously want. Continue to be shocked by election results that should have been blindingly obvious. That’s your choice. But don’t criticize MAGA for doing exactly what you do. You are in as much of a bubble as the people you criticize, but even worse than them, you are actively choosing to stay in that bubble. You could educate yourself. But you choose to remain ignorant.

I know why you won’t answer the questions I asked: because your answer would have been yes to every single one of them, and you can’t admit that, because it shows how isolated in your own bubble you are.

+1000 MAGA consists of poorly educated, typically innumerate people who don't understand logical reasoning. Democratic cultists, however, are willfully ignorant and lazy minded hacks. They have the education and resources to debunk the lies they believe, but are too morally bankrupt and obsessed with attacking those outside their cult to care about truth.

The DC-area UMC Trump-hating AUSA with two trans kids and a $1m+ home their parents gave them a downpayment for is as much a lost cause as any southern Trump-loving MAGA.

Yup. And they are as destructive as the MAGA, in their own way.

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Anonymous wrote:NP. Yeah, I’m not so sure MAGA are the ones in the bubble. Or rather, they are in a bubble, but the people in the DCUM bubble are equally sealed. Why were so many DCUMs shocked at Trump’s win? That he was going to easily win was obvious to those of us who don’t rely solely on DCUM approved media sources.

I am a moderate, Harris-voting Democrat. (I would never vote for Trump.) I make it a point to consume both right and left wing media sources as well as MSM. And it is weird, what I read on DCUM sometimes. There is as much of a bubble here as you accuse the MAGA of living in.

FYI the right wing media is covering the protests. They aren’t hiding it. So this whole idea that Fox isn’t covering the protests, well that’s the product of your bubble, not reality. But you’d have to actually make a point of consuming right wing media sources to know that.

PP, go to the Fox News website right now and see what they are covering. Tell me if it’s even close for the biggest news stories affecting America right now.

Also how is a moderate Dem so attuned to how they covered protests that happened yesterday? Seems odd, as the only people who actually put that channel on that regularly are those who watch it.

Oh my God, can you even read? I told you in my post that I make it a point of consuming right wing media! Yes of course know how they covered it — I deliberately went to watch it, as I indeed regularly do, which I specifically told you. I go out of my way to consume right wing media specifically so I am not in the DCUM bubble. That is what I told you!

Jesus sometimes some of you here are so slow.

Sorry, but i honestly don’t believe that you spent an otherwise beautiful weekend watching Fox News. I am not slow, I think you are a typical maga-pretending to be moderate dem.

I do have to watch news occasionally because it’s all my dad will have on at his nursing home. It’s the same 7 stories repeated every hour, and most of them are not about the major issues impacting our country. I can tell my dad things that are going on in the world and he has no idea, because fox isn’t covering it. And their main website reflects that. That’s what a bubble looks like.

Pretending minor events are major stories and thereby ensuring your viewers are not well informed is what creates a bubble.

You are so sealed off and determined to remain that way that is amazing. And yes, I believe you are on the slower end. You couldn’t understand my post because the concepts in that post, the idea of deliberately consuming media outside the DCUM bubble, those concepts are complex and hard for you to understand.

Let’s break it down a bit more concretely: Did you believe Harris was going to win? Did you believe her message of joy was resonating? Did you think Biden was competent, just a little tired? Were you shocked by the debate performance? Did you believe Iowa had a chance of going blue? Did you believe abortion would win the election for Harris?

You don’t have to tell me that your answer to all of these is yes. I know it is, because you live in a tightly sealed bubble.

But my answer to all of those questions is no, of course not. I knew months before the election that Trump was going to win, probably easily. I knew Biden was seriously incapacitated. I knew abortion wasn’t resonating as an issue. I knew the idea of Iowa being in play was laughable. Etc. Why? Specifically because I make efforts to consume media outside of DCUM-approved media. I listen to Rogan. I watch Fox. I also read the NYT, listen to Ezra Klein, etc.

You cannot understand what is going on in this country if you consume DCUM-approved media only. They lie, they cover up, they have a clear ideological slant. Of course Fox is the king of that, but to pretend Fox is alone in that is just deliberate blindness.

Take the issue of Biden’s incapacity. That should have been front-page, investigative journalism for DCUM media. But it wasn’t — in fact, they actively hid how incapacitated he was, choosing not to cover it. And yet, all the books coming out are proving what Fox (yes, Fox) and right wing media were saying about Biden months and months before the debate. There were videos of Biden clearly impaired available for months before the debate. But those videos only showed up on right wing media. If they showed up in left wing media or MSM, it was only to claim that they were manipulated videos. Spoiler alert: they weren’t.

I saw all that because I consume media across the political spectrum. So the debate performance was what I expected; I knew by then that Biden was seriously impaired. But you don’t have to tell me how shocked and horrified you were by that performance, because you are like all the other DCUM Democrats determined to remain in the bubble.

Excellent post. It's wasted on the partisan shills over here, but very on point.

I will admit I did not understand the enormity of the hermetic republican bubble. I didn't believe people would vote for someone who still couldn't admit he lost the last election and had an insulting name for everyone he didn't like.

Maybe I should watch more fox news to understand what the sheep are being fed.

The thing is, both groups are in bubbles and it is because the format in which we consume news has no regulations. We have failed to make sure both sides are represented in our daily news. You are all missing the point and fighting between each other rather than seeing the bigger picture. The Fairness Doctrine and the rise of podcasts, social media and cable channels that have no requirement to give people factual information and present both sides of an issue are the reason why we get stuck in these bubbles. Rather than seeing it as a moral failing that a person gets stuck in a red or blue bubble, we need to see how information can be presented online in a way that is honest, factual and presents both dems and republican ideas on how to solve the issues.

We have more access to information than ever before but people simply don’t know how to use it properly. You would be shocked by the amount of people that use Facebook and Twitter as their sole news sources.

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Anonymous wrote:NP. Yeah, I’m not so sure MAGA are the ones in the bubble. Or rather, they are in a bubble, but the people in the DCUM bubble are equally sealed. Why were so many DCUMs shocked at Trump’s win? That he was going to easily win was obvious to those of us who don’t rely solely on DCUM approved media sources.

I am a moderate, Harris-voting Democrat. (I would never vote for Trump.) I make it a point to consume both right and left wing media sources as well as MSM. And it is weird, what I read on DCUM sometimes. There is as much of a bubble here as you accuse the MAGA of living in.

FYI the right wing media is covering the protests. They aren’t hiding it. So this whole idea that Fox isn’t covering the protests, well that’s the product of your bubble, not reality. But you’d have to actually make a point of consuming right wing media sources to know that.

PP, go to the Fox News website right now and see what they are covering. Tell me if it’s even close for the biggest news stories affecting America right now.

Also how is a moderate Dem so attuned to how they covered protests that happened yesterday? Seems odd, as the only people who actually put that channel on that regularly are those who watch it.

Oh my God, can you even read? I told you in my post that I make it a point of consuming right wing media! Yes of course know how they covered it — I deliberately went to watch it, as I indeed regularly do, which I specifically told you. I go out of my way to consume right wing media specifically so I am not in the DCUM bubble. That is what I told you!

Jesus sometimes some of you here are so slow.

Sorry, but i honestly don’t believe that you spent an otherwise beautiful weekend watching Fox News. I am not slow, I think you are a typical maga-pretending to be moderate dem.

I do have to watch news occasionally because it’s all my dad will have on at his nursing home. It’s the same 7 stories repeated every hour, and most of them are not about the major issues impacting our country. I can tell my dad things that are going on in the world and he has no idea, because fox isn’t covering it. And their main website reflects that. That’s what a bubble looks like.

Pretending minor events are major stories and thereby ensuring your viewers are not well informed is what creates a bubble.

You are so sealed off and determined to remain that way that is amazing. And yes, I believe you are on the slower end. You couldn’t understand my post because the concepts in that post, the idea of deliberately consuming media outside the DCUM bubble, those concepts are complex and hard for you to understand.

Let’s break it down a bit more concretely: Did you believe Harris was going to win? Did you believe her message of joy was resonating? Did you think Biden was competent, just a little tired? Were you shocked by the debate performance? Did you believe Iowa had a chance of going blue? Did you believe abortion would win the election for Harris?

You don’t have to tell me that your answer to all of these is yes. I know it is, because you live in a tightly sealed bubble.

But my answer to all of those questions is no, of course not. I knew months before the election that Trump was going to win, probably easily. I knew Biden was seriously incapacitated. I knew abortion wasn’t resonating as an issue. I knew the idea of Iowa being in play was laughable. Etc. Why? Specifically because I make efforts to consume media outside of DCUM-approved media. I listen to Rogan. I watch Fox. I also read the NYT, listen to Ezra Klein, etc.

You cannot understand what is going on in this country if you consume DCUM-approved media only. They lie, they cover up, they have a clear ideological slant. Of course Fox is the king of that, but to pretend Fox is alone in that is just deliberate blindness.

Take the issue of Biden’s incapacity. That should have been front-page, investigative journalism for DCUM media. But it wasn’t — in fact, they actively hid how incapacitated he was, choosing not to cover it. And yet, all the books coming out are proving what Fox (yes, Fox) and right wing media were saying about Biden months and months before the debate. There were videos of Biden clearly impaired available for months before the debate. But those videos only showed up on right wing media. If they showed up in left wing media or MSM, it was only to claim that they were manipulated videos. Spoiler alert: they weren’t.

I saw all that because I consume media across the political spectrum. So the debate performance was what I expected; I knew by then that Biden was seriously impaired. But you don’t have to tell me how shocked and horrified you were by that performance, because you are like all the other DCUM Democrats determined to remain in the bubble.

PP, you seem a bit deranged and again, I do not believe you are a moderate Dem based on this post.

I don’t need to consume conservative media constantly to reach my conclusions. My dad, uncles, aunts, half my cousin and two of my dearest fiends voted for Trump. We do talk politics and I am well aware of why they voted the way they did. But they are in a news bubble. They are not informed about the major national or international news stories impacting our country.

People who do know about major news events or understand major policy decisions are not in a bubble. It’s a false equivalence to claim that. Whether they understand the depths of the news bubble that surrounds conservative voters is a different question. I think too many well educated Dems approach Trump voters as if they are well informed and actively rejecting basic economic and moral principles. I disagree, and believe Trump voters are in a bubble and completely uninformed, to the point where it’s currently hard to even discuss major news stories or policy issues.

Take tariffs. Conservative media, to the extent they choose to cover tariffs, are claiming they are good and will bring manufacturing back to America. But they won’t discuss the nuances is Trump’s policy or dissenting views. They won’t cover the conflicting message from the administration, or concerns from business about the loss of capital due to the stock market crash or uncertainty related to unclear policy statements. And if they don’t hear these things from their news sources, they refuse to believe them. I know this because I had conversations on these topics this past week with my friends and family. I don’t need to consume right wing media to understand the bubble, I get a front row seat.

Fine, stay clueless and uninformed, since that’s what you obviously want. Continue to be shocked by election results that should have been blindingly obvious. That’s your choice. But don’t criticize MAGA for doing exactly what you do. You are in as much of a bubble as the people you criticize, but even worse than them, you are actively choosing to stay in that bubble. You could educate yourself. But you choose to remain ignorant.

I know why you won’t answer the questions I asked: because your answer would have been yes to every single one of them, and you can’t admit that, because it shows how isolated in your own bubble you are.

+1000 MAGA consists of poorly educated, typically innumerate people who don't understand logical reasoning. Democratic cultists, however, are willfully ignorant and lazy minded hacks. They have the education and resources to debunk the lies they believe, but are too morally bankrupt and obsessed with attacking those outside their cult to care about truth.

The DC-area UMC Trump-hating AUSA with two trans kids and a $1m+ home their parents gave them a downpayment for is as much a lost cause as any southern Trump-loving MAGA.

Yup. And they are as destructive as the MAGA, in their own way.

Really? what has the progressive left done on any scale similar to J6, crashing the US Economy and global economy and dismantling our government?

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Anonymous wrote:NP. Yeah, I’m not so sure MAGA are the ones in the bubble. Or rather, they are in a bubble, but the people in the DCUM bubble are equally sealed. Why were so many DCUMs shocked at Trump’s win? That he was going to easily win was obvious to those of us who don’t rely solely on DCUM approved media sources.

I am a moderate, Harris-voting Democrat. (I would never vote for Trump.) I make it a point to consume both right and left wing media sources as well as MSM. And it is weird, what I read on DCUM sometimes. There is as much of a bubble here as you accuse the MAGA of living in.

FYI the right wing media is covering the protests. They aren’t hiding it. So this whole idea that Fox isn’t covering the protests, well that’s the product of your bubble, not reality. But you’d have to actually make a point of consuming right wing media sources to know that.

PP, go to the Fox News website right now and see what they are covering. Tell me if it’s even close for the biggest news stories affecting America right now.

Also how is a moderate Dem so attuned to how they covered protests that happened yesterday? Seems odd, as the only people who actually put that channel on that regularly are those who watch it.

Oh my God, can you even read? I told you in my post that I make it a point of consuming right wing media! Yes of course know how they covered it — I deliberately went to watch it, as I indeed regularly do, which I specifically told you. I go out of my way to consume right wing media specifically so I am not in the DCUM bubble. That is what I told you!

Jesus sometimes some of you here are so slow.

Sorry, but i honestly don’t believe that you spent an otherwise beautiful weekend watching Fox News. I am not slow, I think you are a typical maga-pretending to be moderate dem.

I do have to watch news occasionally because it’s all my dad will have on at his nursing home. It’s the same 7 stories repeated every hour, and most of them are not about the major issues impacting our country. I can tell my dad things that are going on in the world and he has no idea, because fox isn’t covering it. And their main website reflects that. That’s what a bubble looks like.

Pretending minor events are major stories and thereby ensuring your viewers are not well informed is what creates a bubble.

You are so sealed off and determined to remain that way that is amazing. And yes, I believe you are on the slower end. You couldn’t understand my post because the concepts in that post, the idea of deliberately consuming media outside the DCUM bubble, those concepts are complex and hard for you to understand.

Let’s break it down a bit more concretely: Did you believe Harris was going to win? Did you believe her message of joy was resonating? Did you think Biden was competent, just a little tired? Were you shocked by the debate performance? Did you believe Iowa had a chance of going blue? Did you believe abortion would win the election for Harris?

You don’t have to tell me that your answer to all of these is yes. I know it is, because you live in a tightly sealed bubble.

But my answer to all of those questions is no, of course not. I knew months before the election that Trump was going to win, probably easily. I knew Biden was seriously incapacitated. I knew abortion wasn’t resonating as an issue. I knew the idea of Iowa being in play was laughable. Etc. Why? Specifically because I make efforts to consume media outside of DCUM-approved media. I listen to Rogan. I watch Fox. I also read the NYT, listen to Ezra Klein, etc.

You cannot understand what is going on in this country if you consume DCUM-approved media only. They lie, they cover up, they have a clear ideological slant. Of course Fox is the king of that, but to pretend Fox is alone in that is just deliberate blindness.

Take the issue of Biden’s incapacity. That should have been front-page, investigative journalism for DCUM media. But it wasn’t — in fact, they actively hid how incapacitated he was, choosing not to cover it. And yet, all the books coming out are proving what Fox (yes, Fox) and right wing media were saying about Biden months and months before the debate. There were videos of Biden clearly impaired available for months before the debate. But those videos only showed up on right wing media. If they showed up in left wing media or MSM, it was only to claim that they were manipulated videos. Spoiler alert: they weren’t.

I saw all that because I consume media across the political spectrum. So the debate performance was what I expected; I knew by then that Biden was seriously impaired. But you don’t have to tell me how shocked and horrified you were by that performance, because you are like all the other DCUM Democrats determined to remain in the bubble.

PP, you seem a bit deranged and again, I do not believe you are a moderate Dem based on this post.

I don’t need to consume conservative media constantly to reach my conclusions. My dad, uncles, aunts, half my cousin and two of my dearest fiends voted for Trump. We do talk politics and I am well aware of why they voted the way they did. But they are in a news bubble. They are not informed about the major national or international news stories impacting our country.

People who do know about major news events or understand major policy decisions are not in a bubble. It’s a false equivalence to claim that. Whether they understand the depths of the news bubble that surrounds conservative voters is a different question. I think too many well educated Dems approach Trump voters as if they are well informed and actively rejecting basic economic and moral principles. I disagree, and believe Trump voters are in a bubble and completely uninformed, to the point where it’s currently hard to even discuss major news stories or policy issues.

Take tariffs. Conservative media, to the extent they choose to cover tariffs, are claiming they are good and will bring manufacturing back to America. But they won’t discuss the nuances is Trump’s policy or dissenting views. They won’t cover the conflicting message from the administration, or concerns from business about the loss of capital due to the stock market crash or uncertainty related to unclear policy statements. And if they don’t hear these things from their news sources, they refuse to believe them. I know this because I had conversations on these topics this past week with my friends and family. I don’t need to consume right wing media to understand the bubble, I get a front row seat.

Fine, stay clueless and uninformed, since that’s what you obviously want. Continue to be shocked by election results that should have been blindingly obvious. That’s your choice. But don’t criticize MAGA for doing exactly what you do. You are in as much of a bubble as the people you criticize, but even worse than them, you are actively choosing to stay in that bubble. You could educate yourself. But you choose to remain ignorant.

I know why you won’t answer the questions I asked: because your answer would have been yes to every single one of them, and you can’t admit that, because it shows how isolated in your own bubble you are.

+1000 MAGA consists of poorly educated, typically innumerate people who don't understand logical reasoning. Democratic cultists, however, are willfully ignorant and lazy minded hacks. They have the education and resources to debunk the lies they believe, but are too morally bankrupt and obsessed with attacking those outside their cult to care about truth.

The DC-area UMC Trump-hating AUSA with two trans kids and a $1m+ home their parents gave them a downpayment for is as much a lost cause as any southern Trump-loving MAGA.

Yup. And they are as destructive as the MAGA, in their own way.

Really? what has the progressive left done on any scale similar to J6, crashing the US Economy and global economy and dismantling our government?

Run up the deficit, destroyed rigor in education, exacerbated the wealth gap, caused the 2008 recession with their idiotic home loan policies, drove crime up because of their idiotic policing policies, undercut the working class with migrant labor, etc.

J6 was an insurrection and Trump is causing the next Great Depression. But the idea that the progressive left isn’t harmful is blindly partisan.

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Anonymous wrote:These people are living in a bubble. They only consume information that supports their beliefs. No facts can sway them. Sadly they represent large communities so the bubble is very large. In this bubble, Trump is smart, tariffs are good, firing Government workers is OK, and Putin is favored over their own fellow Americans, who are Democrats.

Nothing can burst their bubble as it is so comfortable to have a community that agrees with all of your views. It does not challenge you.

You got things flipped

The bubble is the inside the beltway crowd and the McLean/bethesda urban elites

The servants are revolting and they can’t figure out what is going on

But the McLean/Bethesda "urban elites" aren't the ones who will suffer.

I’m not the PP but my God the DCUM bubble is strong.

You do not understand. The jobless, underemployed working class men of all races who voted Trump into office are already suffering. They were suffering under Biden. They suffered under Trump v1. They suffered under Obama.

They’ve reached the “smash it all up stage” because they do not have any hope. And of course McLean/Bethesda elites suffer if the stock market is destroyed. How could they not? They’ll lose value in their market holdings.

My guess is that if you polled that group, Trump’s favorability ratings under the tariffs have gone up, not down. What do they care if the stock market is destroyed? Their lives are already miserable.

DCUM Democrats struggle to understand that Trump represents a class struggle moment, in which DCUM Democrats are seen as the bad guys.

Maybe these men wouldn’t have needed up in this situation if they had gotten a damn education or been willing to relocate for a job. Instead they were the types who goofed off in high school and made fun of people who studied hard. No one owes you a well paying job in the small town you grew up in. Smart people know you get an education and move to where the opportunity is. It’s the ultimate entitlement to think someone should bring opportunities to you. Times change and you adapt or get left behind. Screw them.

This!!!
It is the height of privilege to be whining about the loss of manufacturing jobs for half a century. Hollywood spent a lot of time dwelling on the costs of the decline of steel and factory jobs in the 80s. The country mourned with Hollywood and moved on. Time for these young men to focus on being serious and responsible.

This attitude is exactly why we have huge populations of angry and disaffected people. Increases in overdoses and deaths of despair. Senseless violence. Criminality. Just a general breakdown of the social contract.

We have to stop with the rugged individualism. We need to remember what it is to be a community and to take care of each other. Our response to folks telling us they are struggling cannot be "screw you." That's literally how we got Trump.

Everyone is struggling. Most people want to do their best. But hurt people hurt people. People with no hope do not make good long term decisions. People whose needs aren't met begin to hate anyone they see as competition for resources.

This is why MAGA works. If we stop looking down on these people with derision, listen to their struggles and address them, they'd be far less angry and fearful. You can't just say "screw you" to entire populations of people and expect it not to eventually affect everyone.

People who are economically disaffected belong in the Democratic Party. That is the party that actually cares about people who have been sidelined.

Democrats are for the people, and Republicans are for big business.

No. Democrats SAY they are for the people. At the end of the day, they are just as in bed with moneyed interests as Republicans. They serve as a pressure release for opposition to the wealthy class, paying lipservice and doing symbolic acts. But when is the last time anything Democrats did that actually helped you or anyone you know? And if you say the freaking ACA, I'll remind you that that legislation is 15 years old now and a shell of the original vision. They've campaigning on a $15 minimum wage most of my life, yet it never materializes and is a goal a decade out of date.

Uh, Infrastructure Act which provides jobs and makes it so people can get to work easier, so our ports work more efficiently etc, CHIPS Act which brings manufacturing jobs back to the US, drug price reduction, support of unions and collective bargaining, clean air and clean water, etc. Plenty the Democrats have concretely done for every American but specifically working class Americans.

Were you or anyone you actually know impacted by the CHIPS act? Or the infrastructure bill? They literally undercut the rail workers and their strike. Showing up to a picket line is mere theatrics when you also used the office to bar workers from using their right to strike.

My point is that, yes Democrats claim many legislative victories, but who the hell actually benefits? Not me. Not anyone I know. I'd wager, not you or anyone you know. Odd isn't it? It's theater. And the sooner folks like you get your head out of your ass and see it, the sooner we can begin applying the pressure necessary to get them to ACTUALLY do something that would help real people, and not just talk a big game.

We know Republicans don't help anyone. But Democrats don't either. They play pretend. They wear Kente cloth and take a knee while giving police forces even more money. They show up for photo ops at picket lines and protests, then turn around and hand Republicans the power to cut social security. They vote to approve appointees who are entirely unqualified and who have made their intend to destroy the very agencies they head quite plain. They rail against billionaires meddling in government the turn around and have private meetings and fundraisers with them.

This has to stop. Take off your team jersey and really LOOK at what is happening. MAGA is absolutely a cult, but they aren't the only ones falling victim to propaganda.

There is no evidence that the CHIPS Act or Infrastructure bill "undercut rail workers" - let alone "literally" so.

I'm talking about how Biden and the Democrats stopped the strike, genius. The government should really have no right to stop workers from exercising their right to withhold labor. The democrats can't do stuff like that, then try to also claim to be the party of working people.

Just like Republicans can't platform pedos and rapists and claim to be the party of conservative values.

But here we are. Neither party stands for anything anymore, besides money for themselves and the owner class.

I recall Biden calling on Congress to make a deal with the union. Republicans on the other hand are trying to completely bust and destroy unions. They declared union collective bargaining agreements null and void in several federal agencies if you haven't been paying attention.

For all your complaining about Democrats not doing enough to help workers and unions, Republicans are absolutely and completely and undeniably worse where it comes to their treatment of workers and unions. I'll take "didn't do as much as I'd like" over "destroyed outright" any day of the week.

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Anonymous wrote:These people are living in a bubble. They only consume information that supports their beliefs. No facts can sway them. Sadly they represent large communities so the bubble is very large. In this bubble, Trump is smart, tariffs are good, firing Government workers is OK, and Putin is favored over their own fellow Americans, who are Democrats.

Nothing can burst their bubble as it is so comfortable to have a community that agrees with all of your views. It does not challenge you.

You got things flipped

The bubble is the inside the beltway crowd and the McLean/bethesda urban elites

The servants are revolting and they can’t figure out what is going on

But the McLean/Bethesda "urban elites" aren't the ones who will suffer.

I’m not the PP but my God the DCUM bubble is strong.

You do not understand. The jobless, underemployed working class men of all races who voted Trump into office are already suffering. They were suffering under Biden. They suffered under Trump v1. They suffered under Obama.

They’ve reached the “smash it all up stage” because they do not have any hope. And of course McLean/Bethesda elites suffer if the stock market is destroyed. How could they not? They’ll lose value in their market holdings.

My guess is that if you polled that group, Trump’s favorability ratings under the tariffs have gone up, not down. What do they care if the stock market is destroyed? Their lives are already miserable.

DCUM Democrats struggle to understand that Trump represents a class struggle moment, in which DCUM Democrats are seen as the bad guys.

Basically this.

But people on DCUM are not the bad guys. Unless Trump, Miller, Vance and Musk are on here.

So they are just destroying the lives of other people because they are miserable. And those other people are not responsible for their misery. The whole misery loves company thing? Well F that. Those men suck. period.

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Anonymous wrote:NP. Yeah, I’m not so sure MAGA are the ones in the bubble. Or rather, they are in a bubble, but the people in the DCUM bubble are equally sealed. Why were so many DCUMs shocked at Trump’s win? That he was going to easily win was obvious to those of us who don’t rely solely on DCUM approved media sources.

I am a moderate, Harris-voting Democrat. (I would never vote for Trump.) I make it a point to consume both right and left wing media sources as well as MSM. And it is weird, what I read on DCUM sometimes. There is as much of a bubble here as you accuse the MAGA of living in.

FYI the right wing media is covering the protests. They aren’t hiding it. So this whole idea that Fox isn’t covering the protests, well that’s the product of your bubble, not reality. But you’d have to actually make a point of consuming right wing media sources to know that.

PP, go to the Fox News website right now and see what they are covering. Tell me if it’s even close for the biggest news stories affecting America right now.

Also how is a moderate Dem so attuned to how they covered protests that happened yesterday? Seems odd, as the only people who actually put that channel on that regularly are those who watch it.

Oh my God, can you even read? I told you in my post that I make it a point of consuming right wing media! Yes of course know how they covered it — I deliberately went to watch it, as I indeed regularly do, which I specifically told you. I go out of my way to consume right wing media specifically so I am not in the DCUM bubble. That is what I told you!

Jesus sometimes some of you here are so slow.

Sorry, but i honestly don’t believe that you spent an otherwise beautiful weekend watching Fox News. I am not slow, I think you are a typical maga-pretending to be moderate dem.

I do have to watch news occasionally because it’s all my dad will have on at his nursing home. It’s the same 7 stories repeated every hour, and most of them are not about the major issues impacting our country. I can tell my dad things that are going on in the world and he has no idea, because fox isn’t covering it. And their main website reflects that. That’s what a bubble looks like.

Pretending minor events are major stories and thereby ensuring your viewers are not well informed is what creates a bubble.

You are so sealed off and determined to remain that way that is amazing. And yes, I believe you are on the slower end. You couldn’t understand my post because the concepts in that post, the idea of deliberately consuming media outside the DCUM bubble, those concepts are complex and hard for you to understand.

Let’s break it down a bit more concretely: Did you believe Harris was going to win? Did you believe her message of joy was resonating? Did you think Biden was competent, just a little tired? Were you shocked by the debate performance? Did you believe Iowa had a chance of going blue? Did you believe abortion would win the election for Harris?

You don’t have to tell me that your answer to all of these is yes. I know it is, because you live in a tightly sealed bubble.

But my answer to all of those questions is no, of course not. I knew months before the election that Trump was going to win, probably easily. I knew Biden was seriously incapacitated. I knew abortion wasn’t resonating as an issue. I knew the idea of Iowa being in play was laughable. Etc. Why? Specifically because I make efforts to consume media outside of DCUM-approved media. I listen to Rogan. I watch Fox. I also read the NYT, listen to Ezra Klein, etc.

You cannot understand what is going on in this country if you consume DCUM-approved media only. They lie, they cover up, they have a clear ideological slant. Of course Fox is the king of that, but to pretend Fox is alone in that is just deliberate blindness.

Take the issue of Biden’s incapacity. That should have been front-page, investigative journalism for DCUM media. But it wasn’t — in fact, they actively hid how incapacitated he was, choosing not to cover it. And yet, all the books coming out are proving what Fox (yes, Fox) and right wing media were saying about Biden months and months before the debate. There were videos of Biden clearly impaired available for months before the debate. But those videos only showed up on right wing media. If they showed up in left wing media or MSM, it was only to claim that they were manipulated videos. Spoiler alert: they weren’t.

I saw all that because I consume media across the political spectrum. So the debate performance was what I expected; I knew by then that Biden was seriously impaired. But you don’t have to tell me how shocked and horrified you were by that performance, because you are like all the other DCUM Democrats determined to remain in the bubble.

PP, you seem a bit deranged and again, I do not believe you are a moderate Dem based on this post.

I don’t need to consume conservative media constantly to reach my conclusions. My dad, uncles, aunts, half my cousin and two of my dearest fiends voted for Trump. We do talk politics and I am well aware of why they voted the way they did. But they are in a news bubble. They are not informed about the major national or international news stories impacting our country.

People who do know about major news events or understand major policy decisions are not in a bubble. It’s a false equivalence to claim that. Whether they understand the depths of the news bubble that surrounds conservative voters is a different question. I think too many well educated Dems approach Trump voters as if they are well informed and actively rejecting basic economic and moral principles. I disagree, and believe Trump voters are in a bubble and completely uninformed, to the point where it’s currently hard to even discuss major news stories or policy issues.

Take tariffs. Conservative media, to the extent they choose to cover tariffs, are claiming they are good and will bring manufacturing back to America. But they won’t discuss the nuances is Trump’s policy or dissenting views. They won’t cover the conflicting message from the administration, or concerns from business about the loss of capital due to the stock market crash or uncertainty related to unclear policy statements. And if they don’t hear these things from their news sources, they refuse to believe them. I know this because I had conversations on these topics this past week with my friends and family. I don’t need to consume right wing media to understand the bubble, I get a front row seat.

Fine, stay clueless and uninformed, since that’s what you obviously want. Continue to be shocked by election results that should have been blindingly obvious. That’s your choice. But don’t criticize MAGA for doing exactly what you do. You are in as much of a bubble as the people you criticize, but even worse than them, you are actively choosing to stay in that bubble. You could educate yourself. But you choose to remain ignorant.

I know why you won’t answer the questions I asked: because your answer would have been yes to every single one of them, and you can’t admit that, because it shows how isolated in your own bubble you are.

+1000 MAGA consists of poorly educated, typically innumerate people who don't understand logical reasoning. Democratic cultists, however, are willfully ignorant and lazy minded hacks. They have the education and resources to debunk the lies they believe, but are too morally bankrupt and obsessed with attacking those outside their cult to care about truth.

The DC-area UMC Trump-hating AUSA with two trans kids and a $1m+ home their parents gave them a downpayment for is as much a lost cause as any southern Trump-loving MAGA.

Yup. And they are as destructive as the MAGA, in their own way.

Really? what has the progressive left done on any scale similar to J6, crashing the US Economy and global economy and dismantling our government?

Run up the deficit, destroyed rigor in education, exacerbated the wealth gap, caused the 2008 recession with their idiotic home loan policies, drove crime up because of their idiotic policing policies, undercut the working class with migrant labor, etc.

J6 was an insurrection and Trump is causing the next Great Depression. But the idea that the progressive left isn’t harmful is blindly partisan.

W and Trump together are responsible for 58% of the deficit. Did you not know that?
Bush, W and Trump left economic disasters that Clinton, Obama and Biden fixed - fact.
Wealth gap is exacerbated by W and trump tax cuts, full stop.
2008 crash was caused by greedy bankers and predatory loans - fact.
Crime was down under Clinton, down under Obama and down under Biden. What are you even talking about?
The GOP business hire that migrant labor at slave wages. Blame the issue at its source. Why did the GOP tank every immigration reform bill brought in the modern era?

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Anonymous wrote:These people are living in a bubble. They only consume information that supports their beliefs. No facts can sway them. Sadly they represent large communities so the bubble is very large. In this bubble, Trump is smart, tariffs are good, firing Government workers is OK, and Putin is favored over their own fellow Americans, who are Democrats.

Nothing can burst their bubble as it is so comfortable to have a community that agrees with all of your views. It does not challenge you.

We as a society could have inoculated many MAGAs decades ago when those communities were asking for help. Instead Democrats told those poor white rural people to check their privilege. So those people got fed up and clung to a cult leader.

You simply cannot expect demoralized communities to think sanely. Democrats pity the demoralized brown communities but hate the demoralized white communities.

Please show me where Democrats have told poor whitest to check their privilege for decades? WTF. You are just making shit up. Dems have been trying to fight for poor people of all colors for decades and you know who doesn't ever want to spend the money on any social programs? GOP, that's who.

FFS you people are delusional.

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Anonymous wrote:NP. Yeah, I’m not so sure MAGA are the ones in the bubble. Or rather, they are in a bubble, but the people in the DCUM bubble are equally sealed. Why were so many DCUMs shocked at Trump’s win? That he was going to easily win was obvious to those of us who don’t rely solely on DCUM approved media sources.

I am a moderate, Harris-voting Democrat. (I would never vote for Trump.) I make it a point to consume both right and left wing media sources as well as MSM. And it is weird, what I read on DCUM sometimes. There is as much of a bubble here as you accuse the MAGA of living in.

FYI the right wing media is covering the protests. They aren’t hiding it. So this whole idea that Fox isn’t covering the protests, well that’s the product of your bubble, not reality. But you’d have to actually make a point of consuming right wing media sources to know that.

PP, go to the Fox News website right now and see what they are covering. Tell me if it’s even close for the biggest news stories affecting America right now.

Also how is a moderate Dem so attuned to how they covered protests that happened yesterday? Seems odd, as the only people who actually put that channel on that regularly are those who watch it.

Oh my God, can you even read? I told you in my post that I make it a point of consuming right wing media! Yes of course know how they covered it — I deliberately went to watch it, as I indeed regularly do, which I specifically told you. I go out of my way to consume right wing media specifically so I am not in the DCUM bubble. That is what I told you!

Jesus sometimes some of you here are so slow.

Sorry, but i honestly don’t believe that you spent an otherwise beautiful weekend watching Fox News. I am not slow, I think you are a typical maga-pretending to be moderate dem.

I do have to watch news occasionally because it’s all my dad will have on at his nursing home. It’s the same 7 stories repeated every hour, and most of them are not about the major issues impacting our country. I can tell my dad things that are going on in the world and he has no idea, because fox isn’t covering it. And their main website reflects that. That’s what a bubble looks like.

Pretending minor events are major stories and thereby ensuring your viewers are not well informed is what creates a bubble.

You are so sealed off and determined to remain that way that is amazing. And yes, I believe you are on the slower end. You couldn’t understand my post because the concepts in that post, the idea of deliberately consuming media outside the DCUM bubble, those concepts are complex and hard for you to understand.

Let’s break it down a bit more concretely: Did you believe Harris was going to win? Did you believe her message of joy was resonating? Did you think Biden was competent, just a little tired? Were you shocked by the debate performance? Did you believe Iowa had a chance of going blue? Did you believe abortion would win the election for Harris?

You don’t have to tell me that your answer to all of these is yes. I know it is, because you live in a tightly sealed bubble.

But my answer to all of those questions is no, of course not. I knew months before the election that Trump was going to win, probably easily. I knew Biden was seriously incapacitated. I knew abortion wasn’t resonating as an issue. I knew the idea of Iowa being in play was laughable. Etc. Why? Specifically because I make efforts to consume media outside of DCUM-approved media. I listen to Rogan. I watch Fox. I also read the NYT, listen to Ezra Klein, etc.

You cannot understand what is going on in this country if you consume DCUM-approved media only. They lie, they cover up, they have a clear ideological slant. Of course Fox is the king of that, but to pretend Fox is alone in that is just deliberate blindness.

Take the issue of Biden’s incapacity. That should have been front-page, investigative journalism for DCUM media. But it wasn’t — in fact, they actively hid how incapacitated he was, choosing not to cover it. And yet, all the books coming out are proving what Fox (yes, Fox) and right wing media were saying about Biden months and months before the debate. There were videos of Biden clearly impaired available for months before the debate. But those videos only showed up on right wing media. If they showed up in left wing media or MSM, it was only to claim that they were manipulated videos. Spoiler alert: they weren’t.

I saw all that because I consume media across the political spectrum. So the debate performance was what I expected; I knew by then that Biden was seriously impaired. But you don’t have to tell me how shocked and horrified you were by that performance, because you are like all the other DCUM Democrats determined to remain in the bubble.

PP, you seem a bit deranged and again, I do not believe you are a moderate Dem based on this post.

I don’t need to consume conservative media constantly to reach my conclusions. My dad, uncles, aunts, half my cousin and two of my dearest fiends voted for Trump. We do talk politics and I am well aware of why they voted the way they did. But they are in a news bubble. They are not informed about the major national or international news stories impacting our country.

People who do know about major news events or understand major policy decisions are not in a bubble. It’s a false equivalence to claim that. Whether they understand the depths of the news bubble that surrounds conservative voters is a different question. I think too many well educated Dems approach Trump voters as if they are well informed and actively rejecting basic economic and moral principles. I disagree, and believe Trump voters are in a bubble and completely uninformed, to the point where it’s currently hard to even discuss major news stories or policy issues.

Take tariffs. Conservative media, to the extent they choose to cover tariffs, are claiming they are good and will bring manufacturing back to America. But they won’t discuss the nuances is Trump’s policy or dissenting views. They won’t cover the conflicting message from the administration, or concerns from business about the loss of capital due to the stock market crash or uncertainty related to unclear policy statements. And if they don’t hear these things from their news sources, they refuse to believe them. I know this because I had conversations on these topics this past week with my friends and family. I don’t need to consume right wing media to understand the bubble, I get a front row seat.

Fine, stay clueless and uninformed, since that’s what you obviously want. Continue to be shocked by election results that should have been blindingly obvious. That’s your choice. But don’t criticize MAGA for doing exactly what you do. You are in as much of a bubble as the people you criticize, but even worse than them, you are actively choosing to stay in that bubble. You could educate yourself. But you choose to remain ignorant.

I know why you won’t answer the questions I asked: because your answer would have been yes to every single one of them, and you can’t admit that, because it shows how isolated in your own bubble you are.

+1000 MAGA consists of poorly educated, typically innumerate people who don't understand logical reasoning. Democratic cultists, however, are willfully ignorant and lazy minded hacks. They have the education and resources to debunk the lies they believe, but are too morally bankrupt and obsessed with attacking those outside their cult to care about truth.

The DC-area UMC Trump-hating AUSA with two trans kids and a $1m+ home their parents gave them a downpayment for is as much a lost cause as any southern Trump-loving MAGA.

Yup. And they are as destructive as the MAGA, in their own way.

Wut. Exactly how many of these mythical DCUM people do you think there are? Most people in the DC area are just regular people are your diatribe sounds deranged.

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Anonymous wrote:NP. Yeah, I’m not so sure MAGA are the ones in the bubble. Or rather, they are in a bubble, but the people in the DCUM bubble are equally sealed. Why were so many DCUMs shocked at Trump’s win? That he was going to easily win was obvious to those of us who don’t rely solely on DCUM approved media sources.

I am a moderate, Harris-voting Democrat. (I would never vote for Trump.) I make it a point to consume both right and left wing media sources as well as MSM. And it is weird, what I read on DCUM sometimes. There is as much of a bubble here as you accuse the MAGA of living in.

FYI the right wing media is covering the protests. They aren’t hiding it. So this whole idea that Fox isn’t covering the protests, well that’s the product of your bubble, not reality. But you’d have to actually make a point of consuming right wing media sources to know that.

PP, go to the Fox News website right now and see what they are covering. Tell me if it’s even close for the biggest news stories affecting America right now.

Also how is a moderate Dem so attuned to how they covered protests that happened yesterday? Seems odd, as the only people who actually put that channel on that regularly are those who watch it.

Oh my God, can you even read? I told you in my post that I make it a point of consuming right wing media! Yes of course know how they covered it — I deliberately went to watch it, as I indeed regularly do, which I specifically told you. I go out of my way to consume right wing media specifically so I am not in the DCUM bubble. That is what I told you!

Jesus sometimes some of you here are so slow.

Sorry, but i honestly don’t believe that you spent an otherwise beautiful weekend watching Fox News. I am not slow, I think you are a typical maga-pretending to be moderate dem.

I do have to watch news occasionally because it’s all my dad will have on at his nursing home. It’s the same 7 stories repeated every hour, and most of them are not about the major issues impacting our country. I can tell my dad things that are going on in the world and he has no idea, because fox isn’t covering it. And their main website reflects that. That’s what a bubble looks like.

Pretending minor events are major stories and thereby ensuring your viewers are not well informed is what creates a bubble.

You are so sealed off and determined to remain that way that is amazing. And yes, I believe you are on the slower end. You couldn’t understand my post because the concepts in that post, the idea of deliberately consuming media outside the DCUM bubble, those concepts are complex and hard for you to understand.

Let’s break it down a bit more concretely: Did you believe Harris was going to win? Did you believe her message of joy was resonating? Did you think Biden was competent, just a little tired? Were you shocked by the debate performance? Did you believe Iowa had a chance of going blue? Did you believe abortion would win the election for Harris?

You don’t have to tell me that your answer to all of these is yes. I know it is, because you live in a tightly sealed bubble.

But my answer to all of those questions is no, of course not. I knew months before the election that Trump was going to win, probably easily. I knew Biden was seriously incapacitated. I knew abortion wasn’t resonating as an issue. I knew the idea of Iowa being in play was laughable. Etc. Why? Specifically because I make efforts to consume media outside of DCUM-approved media. I listen to Rogan. I watch Fox. I also read the NYT, listen to Ezra Klein, etc.

You cannot understand what is going on in this country if you consume DCUM-approved media only. They lie, they cover up, they have a clear ideological slant. Of course Fox is the king of that, but to pretend Fox is alone in that is just deliberate blindness.

Take the issue of Biden’s incapacity. That should have been front-page, investigative journalism for DCUM media. But it wasn’t — in fact, they actively hid how incapacitated he was, choosing not to cover it. And yet, all the books coming out are proving what Fox (yes, Fox) and right wing media were saying about Biden months and months before the debate. There were videos of Biden clearly impaired available for months before the debate. But those videos only showed up on right wing media. If they showed up in left wing media or MSM, it was only to claim that they were manipulated videos. Spoiler alert: they weren’t.

I saw all that because I consume media across the political spectrum. So the debate performance was what I expected; I knew by then that Biden was seriously impaired. But you don’t have to tell me how shocked and horrified you were by that performance, because you are like all the other DCUM Democrats determined to remain in the bubble.

PP, you seem a bit deranged and again, I do not believe you are a moderate Dem based on this post.

I don’t need to consume conservative media constantly to reach my conclusions. My dad, uncles, aunts, half my cousin and two of my dearest fiends voted for Trump. We do talk politics and I am well aware of why they voted the way they did. But they are in a news bubble. They are not informed about the major national or international news stories impacting our country.

People who do know about major news events or understand major policy decisions are not in a bubble. It’s a false equivalence to claim that. Whether they understand the depths of the news bubble that surrounds conservative voters is a different question. I think too many well educated Dems approach Trump voters as if they are well informed and actively rejecting basic economic and moral principles. I disagree, and believe Trump voters are in a bubble and completely uninformed, to the point where it’s currently hard to even discuss major news stories or policy issues.

Take tariffs. Conservative media, to the extent they choose to cover tariffs, are claiming they are good and will bring manufacturing back to America. But they won’t discuss the nuances is Trump’s policy or dissenting views. They won’t cover the conflicting message from the administration, or concerns from business about the loss of capital due to the stock market crash or uncertainty related to unclear policy statements. And if they don’t hear these things from their news sources, they refuse to believe them. I know this because I had conversations on these topics this past week with my friends and family. I don’t need to consume right wing media to understand the bubble, I get a front row seat.

Fine, stay clueless and uninformed, since that’s what you obviously want. Continue to be shocked by election results that should have been blindingly obvious. That’s your choice. But don’t criticize MAGA for doing exactly what you do. You are in as much of a bubble as the people you criticize, but even worse than them, you are actively choosing to stay in that bubble. You could educate yourself. But you choose to remain ignorant.

I know why you won’t answer the questions I asked: because your answer would have been yes to every single one of them, and you can’t admit that, because it shows how isolated in your own bubble you are.

+1000 MAGA consists of poorly educated, typically innumerate people who don't understand logical reasoning. Democratic cultists, however, are willfully ignorant and lazy minded hacks. They have the education and resources to debunk the lies they believe, but are too morally bankrupt and obsessed with attacking those outside their cult to care about truth.

The DC-area UMC Trump-hating AUSA with two trans kids and a $1m+ home their parents gave them a downpayment for is as much a lost cause as any southern Trump-loving MAGA.

Yup. And they are as destructive as the MAGA, in their own way.

Really? what has the progressive left done on any scale similar to J6, crashing the US Economy and global economy and dismantling our government?

Run up the deficit, destroyed rigor in education, exacerbated the wealth gap, caused the 2008 recession with their idiotic home loan policies, drove crime up because of their idiotic policing policies, undercut the working class with migrant labor, etc.

J6 was an insurrection and Trump is causing the next Great Depression. But the idea that the progressive left isn’t harmful is blindly partisan.

^^ It’s very hard talking to people like this, who say things that are absolutely, objectively, provably wrong. I don’t even know what to say, if someone thinks democrats are responsible for the exploding deficit, or the 2008 crash. Or even the wealth gap.

I actually hope this is a troll, that’s how deluded this is. Sure, we can quibble about education or crime policies or immigration but the accelerator of the deficit (republicans, by a long shot) and the massive destruction caused in 2008 (0 oversight + risky, predatory loans), are objective things. And republicans are doing everything possible to make both of those issues worse— right now! I try, I really try. But I can’t talk to people who say, the sky is red! You need to see my POV that the sky is red!

I really don’t know what the answer is, because more information clearly hasn’t helped. The internet has just opened the doors to any fool to pretend to be an expert. And lots of other fools to listen.

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Anonymous wrote:NP. Yeah, I’m not so sure MAGA are the ones in the bubble. Or rather, they are in a bubble, but the people in the DCUM bubble are equally sealed. Why were so many DCUMs shocked at Trump’s win? That he was going to easily win was obvious to those of us who don’t rely solely on DCUM approved media sources.

I am a moderate, Harris-voting Democrat. (I would never vote for Trump.) I make it a point to consume both right and left wing media sources as well as MSM. And it is weird, what I read on DCUM sometimes. There is as much of a bubble here as you accuse the MAGA of living in.

FYI the right wing media is covering the protests. They aren’t hiding it. So this whole idea that Fox isn’t covering the protests, well that’s the product of your bubble, not reality. But you’d have to actually make a point of consuming right wing media sources to know that.

PP, go to the Fox News website right now and see what they are covering. Tell me if it’s even close for the biggest news stories affecting America right now.

Also how is a moderate Dem so attuned to how they covered protests that happened yesterday? Seems odd, as the only people who actually put that channel on that regularly are those who watch it.

Oh my God, can you even read? I told you in my post that I make it a point of consuming right wing media! Yes of course know how they covered it — I deliberately went to watch it, as I indeed regularly do, which I specifically told you. I go out of my way to consume right wing media specifically so I am not in the DCUM bubble. That is what I told you!

Jesus sometimes some of you here are so slow.

Sorry, but i honestly don’t believe that you spent an otherwise beautiful weekend watching Fox News. I am not slow, I think you are a typical maga-pretending to be moderate dem.

I do have to watch news occasionally because it’s all my dad will have on at his nursing home. It’s the same 7 stories repeated every hour, and most of them are not about the major issues impacting our country. I can tell my dad things that are going on in the world and he has no idea, because fox isn’t covering it. And their main website reflects that. That’s what a bubble looks like.

Pretending minor events are major stories and thereby ensuring your viewers are not well informed is what creates a bubble.

You are so sealed off and determined to remain that way that is amazing. And yes, I believe you are on the slower end. You couldn’t understand my post because the concepts in that post, the idea of deliberately consuming media outside the DCUM bubble, those concepts are complex and hard for you to understand.

Let’s break it down a bit more concretely: Did you believe Harris was going to win? Did you believe her message of joy was resonating? Did you think Biden was competent, just a little tired? Were you shocked by the debate performance? Did you believe Iowa had a chance of going blue? Did you believe abortion would win the election for Harris?

You don’t have to tell me that your answer to all of these is yes. I know it is, because you live in a tightly sealed bubble.

But my answer to all of those questions is no, of course not. I knew months before the election that Trump was going to win, probably easily. I knew Biden was seriously incapacitated. I knew abortion wasn’t resonating as an issue. I knew the idea of Iowa being in play was laughable. Etc. Why? Specifically because I make efforts to consume media outside of DCUM-approved media. I listen to Rogan. I watch Fox. I also read the NYT, listen to Ezra Klein, etc.

You cannot understand what is going on in this country if you consume DCUM-approved media only. They lie, they cover up, they have a clear ideological slant. Of course Fox is the king of that, but to pretend Fox is alone in that is just deliberate blindness.

Take the issue of Biden’s incapacity. That should have been front-page, investigative journalism for DCUM media. But it wasn’t — in fact, they actively hid how incapacitated he was, choosing not to cover it. And yet, all the books coming out are proving what Fox (yes, Fox) and right wing media were saying about Biden months and months before the debate. There were videos of Biden clearly impaired available for months before the debate. But those videos only showed up on right wing media. If they showed up in left wing media or MSM, it was only to claim that they were manipulated videos. Spoiler alert: they weren’t.

I saw all that because I consume media across the political spectrum. So the debate performance was what I expected; I knew by then that Biden was seriously impaired. But you don’t have to tell me how shocked and horrified you were by that performance, because you are like all the other DCUM Democrats determined to remain in the bubble.

PP, you seem a bit deranged and again, I do not believe you are a moderate Dem based on this post.

I don’t need to consume conservative media constantly to reach my conclusions. My dad, uncles, aunts, half my cousin and two of my dearest fiends voted for Trump. We do talk politics and I am well aware of why they voted the way they did. But they are in a news bubble. They are not informed about the major national or international news stories impacting our country.

People who do know about major news events or understand major policy decisions are not in a bubble. It’s a false equivalence to claim that. Whether they understand the depths of the news bubble that surrounds conservative voters is a different question. I think too many well educated Dems approach Trump voters as if they are well informed and actively rejecting basic economic and moral principles. I disagree, and believe Trump voters are in a bubble and completely uninformed, to the point where it’s currently hard to even discuss major news stories or policy issues.

Take tariffs. Conservative media, to the extent they choose to cover tariffs, are claiming they are good and will bring manufacturing back to America. But they won’t discuss the nuances is Trump’s policy or dissenting views. They won’t cover the conflicting message from the administration, or concerns from business about the loss of capital due to the stock market crash or uncertainty related to unclear policy statements. And if they don’t hear these things from their news sources, they refuse to believe them. I know this because I had conversations on these topics this past week with my friends and family. I don’t need to consume right wing media to understand the bubble, I get a front row seat.

Fine, stay clueless and uninformed, since that’s what you obviously want. Continue to be shocked by election results that should have been blindingly obvious. That’s your choice. But don’t criticize MAGA for doing exactly what you do. You are in as much of a bubble as the people you criticize, but even worse than them, you are actively choosing to stay in that bubble. You could educate yourself. But you choose to remain ignorant.

I know why you won’t answer the questions I asked: because your answer would have been yes to every single one of them, and you can’t admit that, because it shows how isolated in your own bubble you are.

+1000 MAGA consists of poorly educated, typically innumerate people who don't understand logical reasoning. Democratic cultists, however, are willfully ignorant and lazy minded hacks. They have the education and resources to debunk the lies they believe, but are too morally bankrupt and obsessed with attacking those outside their cult to care about truth.

The DC-area UMC Trump-hating AUSA with two trans kids and a $1m+ home their parents gave them a downpayment for is as much a lost cause as any southern Trump-loving MAGA.

Yup. And they are as destructive as the MAGA, in their own way.

Really? what has the progressive left done on any scale similar to J6, crashing the US Economy and global economy and dismantling our government?

Run up the deficit, destroyed rigor in education, exacerbated the wealth gap, caused the 2008 recession with their idiotic home loan policies, drove crime up because of their idiotic policing policies, undercut the working class with migrant labor, etc.

J6 was an insurrection and Trump is causing the next Great Depression. But the idea that the progressive left isn’t harmful is blindly partisan.

I think you are making a bunch of bad faith arguments here.

Run up the deficit? Deficits increased the most under REPUBLICAN presidencies.

Destroyed rigor in education? Sounds like a GOP strawman, like "litter boxes for students who identify as cat gender." We wouldn't even have any educational standards in the first place if it weren't for Democrats.

Exacerbated the wealth gap? Again, that's GOP policy. Tax cuts and policies for the rich and "trickle down" that never trickles down.

2008 financial crisis came from a whole bunch of things like predatory lending, housing bubble, excessive risk-taking by lenders, along with Bush-driven deregulation. The dismantling of Glass Steagall was spearheaded by REPUBLICAN Phil Gramm.

As for "idiotic policing policies" you seem to forget that the BLM protests and "defund" talk happened BECAUSE OF idiotic policing policies. And for all the "defund" talk not much of that actually even happened in most of America. And where it did, it would be something like a 5% budget cut but suddenly the arrest rate dropped by 40% completely out of whack with the budget cut, and crime went up not because of policy but because many in police departments just stopped doing their jobs in silent protest because they had their feelings hurt by people saying mean words and cutting their budget a measly 5%.

Undercut the working class with migrant labor? Really? Migrants are filling demand NOT filled by American workers. Americans don't want to be out working in hot fields picking produce, cutting meat in a processing plant, and so on. Employers can't get Americans to take those jobs. The only place where they are actually undercutting American labor is in places like the tech sector where they snub qualified Americans to hire cheap Indians to write code.

As far as I'm concerned a whole lot of your ranty blame is entirely misplaced and whoever filled your head with all these ideas is misleading you.

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Anonymous wrote:NP. Yeah, I’m not so sure MAGA are the ones in the bubble. Or rather, they are in a bubble, but the people in the DCUM bubble are equally sealed. Why were so many DCUMs shocked at Trump’s win? That he was going to easily win was obvious to those of us who don’t rely solely on DCUM approved media sources.

I am a moderate, Harris-voting Democrat. (I would never vote for Trump.) I make it a point to consume both right and left wing media sources as well as MSM. And it is weird, what I read on DCUM sometimes. There is as much of a bubble here as you accuse the MAGA of living in.

FYI the right wing media is covering the protests. They aren’t hiding it. So this whole idea that Fox isn’t covering the protests, well that’s the product of your bubble, not reality. But you’d have to actually make a point of consuming right wing media sources to know that.

PP, go to the Fox News website right now and see what they are covering. Tell me if it’s even close for the biggest news stories affecting America right now.

Also how is a moderate Dem so attuned to how they covered protests that happened yesterday? Seems odd, as the only people who actually put that channel on that regularly are those who watch it.

Oh my God, can you even read? I told you in my post that I make it a point of consuming right wing media! Yes of course know how they covered it — I deliberately went to watch it, as I indeed regularly do, which I specifically told you. I go out of my way to consume right wing media specifically so I am not in the DCUM bubble. That is what I told you!

Jesus sometimes some of you here are so slow.

Sorry, but i honestly don’t believe that you spent an otherwise beautiful weekend watching Fox News. I am not slow, I think you are a typical maga-pretending to be moderate dem.

I do have to watch news occasionally because it’s all my dad will have on at his nursing home. It’s the same 7 stories repeated every hour, and most of them are not about the major issues impacting our country. I can tell my dad things that are going on in the world and he has no idea, because fox isn’t covering it. And their main website reflects that. That’s what a bubble looks like.

Pretending minor events are major stories and thereby ensuring your viewers are not well informed is what creates a bubble.

You are so sealed off and determined to remain that way that is amazing. And yes, I believe you are on the slower end. You couldn’t understand my post because the concepts in that post, the idea of deliberately consuming media outside the DCUM bubble, those concepts are complex and hard for you to understand.

Let’s break it down a bit more concretely: Did you believe Harris was going to win? Did you believe her message of joy was resonating? Did you think Biden was competent, just a little tired? Were you shocked by the debate performance? Did you believe Iowa had a chance of going blue? Did you believe abortion would win the election for Harris?

You don’t have to tell me that your answer to all of these is yes. I know it is, because you live in a tightly sealed bubble.

But my answer to all of those questions is no, of course not. I knew months before the election that Trump was going to win, probably easily. I knew Biden was seriously incapacitated. I knew abortion wasn’t resonating as an issue. I knew the idea of Iowa being in play was laughable. Etc. Why? Specifically because I make efforts to consume media outside of DCUM-approved media. I listen to Rogan. I watch Fox. I also read the NYT, listen to Ezra Klein, etc.

You cannot understand what is going on in this country if you consume DCUM-approved media only. They lie, they cover up, they have a clear ideological slant. Of course Fox is the king of that, but to pretend Fox is alone in that is just deliberate blindness.

Take the issue of Biden’s incapacity. That should have been front-page, investigative journalism for DCUM media. But it wasn’t — in fact, they actively hid how incapacitated he was, choosing not to cover it. And yet, all the books coming out are proving what Fox (yes, Fox) and right wing media were saying about Biden months and months before the debate. There were videos of Biden clearly impaired available for months before the debate. But those videos only showed up on right wing media. If they showed up in left wing media or MSM, it was only to claim that they were manipulated videos. Spoiler alert: they weren’t.

I saw all that because I consume media across the political spectrum. So the debate performance was what I expected; I knew by then that Biden was seriously impaired. But you don’t have to tell me how shocked and horrified you were by that performance, because you are like all the other DCUM Democrats determined to remain in the bubble.

PP, you seem a bit deranged and again, I do not believe you are a moderate Dem based on this post.

I don’t need to consume conservative media constantly to reach my conclusions. My dad, uncles, aunts, half my cousin and two of my dearest fiends voted for Trump. We do talk politics and I am well aware of why they voted the way they did. But they are in a news bubble. They are not informed about the major national or international news stories impacting our country.

People who do know about major news events or understand major policy decisions are not in a bubble. It’s a false equivalence to claim that. Whether they understand the depths of the news bubble that surrounds conservative voters is a different question. I think too many well educated Dems approach Trump voters as if they are well informed and actively rejecting basic economic and moral principles. I disagree, and believe Trump voters are in a bubble and completely uninformed, to the point where it’s currently hard to even discuss major news stories or policy issues.

Take tariffs. Conservative media, to the extent they choose to cover tariffs, are claiming they are good and will bring manufacturing back to America. But they won’t discuss the nuances is Trump’s policy or dissenting views. They won’t cover the conflicting message from the administration, or concerns from business about the loss of capital due to the stock market crash or uncertainty related to unclear policy statements. And if they don’t hear these things from their news sources, they refuse to believe them. I know this because I had conversations on these topics this past week with my friends and family. I don’t need to consume right wing media to understand the bubble, I get a front row seat.

Fine, stay clueless and uninformed, since that’s what you obviously want. Continue to be shocked by election results that should have been blindingly obvious. That’s your choice. But don’t criticize MAGA for doing exactly what you do. You are in as much of a bubble as the people you criticize, but even worse than them, you are actively choosing to stay in that bubble. You could educate yourself. But you choose to remain ignorant.

I know why you won’t answer the questions I asked: because your answer would have been yes to every single one of them, and you can’t admit that, because it shows how isolated in your own bubble you are.

+1000 MAGA consists of poorly educated, typically innumerate people who don't understand logical reasoning. Democratic cultists, however, are willfully ignorant and lazy minded hacks. They have the education and resources to debunk the lies they believe, but are too morally bankrupt and obsessed with attacking those outside their cult to care about truth.

The DC-area UMC Trump-hating AUSA with two trans kids and a $1m+ home their parents gave them a downpayment for is as much a lost cause as any southern Trump-loving MAGA.

Yup. And they are as destructive as the MAGA, in their own way.

Really? what has the progressive left done on any scale similar to J6, crashing the US Economy and global economy and dismantling our government?

Run up the deficit, destroyed rigor in education, exacerbated the wealth gap, caused the 2008 recession with their idiotic home loan policies, drove crime up because of their idiotic policing policies, undercut the working class with migrant labor, etc.

J6 was an insurrection and Trump is causing the next Great Depression. But the idea that the progressive left isn’t harmful is blindly partisan.

W and Trump together are responsible for 58% of the deficit. Did you not know that?
Bush, W and Trump left economic disasters that Clinton, Obama and Biden fixed - fact.
Wealth gap is exacerbated by W and trump tax cuts, full stop.
2008 crash was caused by greedy bankers and predatory loans - fact.
Crime was down under Clinton, down under Obama and down under Biden. What are you even talking about?
The GOP business hire that migrant labor at slave wages. Blame the issue at its source. Why did the GOP tank every immigration reform bill brought in the modern era?

+1. It is so disturbing to read posts like that and then also be accused of being in a bubble. All of us are in our own cultural or community bubbles. That’s pretty normal. But those “facts” (really, disinformation) are provable things, though we may disagree on policy and best methods to achieve goals.

Reality is still a thing, right? This isn’t a simulation?

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Anonymous wrote:These people are living in a bubble. They only consume information that supports their beliefs. No facts can sway them. Sadly they represent large communities so the bubble is very large. In this bubble, Trump is smart, tariffs are good, firing Government workers is OK, and Putin is favored over their own fellow Americans, who are Democrats.

Nothing can burst their bubble as it is so comfortable to have a community that agrees with all of your views. It does not challenge you.

You got things flipped

The bubble is the inside the beltway crowd and the McLean/bethesda urban elites

The servants are revolting and they can’t figure out what is going on

But the McLean/Bethesda "urban elites" aren't the ones who will suffer.

I’m not the PP but my God the DCUM bubble is strong.

You do not understand. The jobless, underemployed working class men of all races who voted Trump into office are already suffering. They were suffering under Biden. They suffered under Trump v1. They suffered under Obama.

They’ve reached the “smash it all up stage” because they do not have any hope. And of course McLean/Bethesda elites suffer if the stock market is destroyed. How could they not? They’ll lose value in their market holdings.

My guess is that if you polled that group, Trump’s favorability ratings under the tariffs have gone up, not down. What do they care if the stock market is destroyed? Their lives are already miserable.

DCUM Democrats struggle to understand that Trump represents a class struggle moment, in which DCUM Democrats are seen as the bad guys.

Maybe these men wouldn’t have needed up in this situation if they had gotten a damn education or been willing to relocate for a job. Instead they were the types who goofed off in high school and made fun of people who studied hard. No one owes you a well paying job in the small town you grew up in. Smart people know you get an education and move to where the opportunity is. It’s the ultimate entitlement to think someone should bring opportunities to you. Times change and you adapt or get left behind. Screw them.

It actually doesn’t matter how much you or other elites look down on and despise a group of disposessed young men who think they don’t have a future. It doesn’t matter how much you scorn them, how much better you believe you are than them. All you are doing with your derision and scorn is hardening the group, building it up, making it stronger.

And once you create that group, everyone experiences the consequences, because societies that have large groups of disaffected young men who feel they have nothing to lose will suffer. And make no mistake, you and other DCUM Democrats created that group as much as the wealthy Republicans did. Your scorn and derision after your support of policies that hollowed out their opportunities is just making that group stronger, little by little.

Im a lefty liberal, and I totally agree with you. It's shameful how the Dems have left labor behind. All those MAGAs used to be Democrats. The scorn and derision heaped on working class families by Democrats (starting with Hillary) is despicable. Democrats' insistence that all Democrats embrace the entire Democratic agenda is the opposite of inclusive. I'm ashamed to be a Democrat, ashamed of my party's failure to read the room and see what Trump means to MAGAs. This has to change, and it has to change now, before our democracy is lost to the fascist oligarchs.

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Anonymous wrote:These people are living in a bubble. They only consume information that supports their beliefs. No facts can sway them. Sadly they represent large communities so the bubble is very large. In this bubble, Trump is smart, tariffs are good, firing Government workers is OK, and Putin is favored over their own fellow Americans, who are Democrats.

Nothing can burst their bubble as it is so comfortable to have a community that agrees with all of your views. It does not challenge you.

You got things flipped

The bubble is the inside the beltway crowd and the McLean/bethesda urban elites

The servants are revolting and they can’t figure out what is going on

But the McLean/Bethesda "urban elites" aren't the ones who will suffer.

I’m not the PP but my God the DCUM bubble is strong.

You do not understand. The jobless, underemployed working class men of all races who voted Trump into office are already suffering. They were suffering under Biden. They suffered under Trump v1. They suffered under Obama.

They’ve reached the “smash it all up stage” because they do not have any hope. And of course McLean/Bethesda elites suffer if the stock market is destroyed. How could they not? They’ll lose value in their market holdings.

My guess is that if you polled that group, Trump’s favorability ratings under the tariffs have gone up, not down. What do they care if the stock market is destroyed? Their lives are already miserable.

DCUM Democrats struggle to understand that Trump represents a class struggle moment, in which DCUM Democrats are seen as the bad guys.

Maybe these men wouldn’t have needed up in this situation if they had gotten a damn education or been willing to relocate for a job. Instead they were the types who goofed off in high school and made fun of people who studied hard. No one owes you a well paying job in the small town you grew up in. Smart people know you get an education and move to where the opportunity is. It’s the ultimate entitlement to think someone should bring opportunities to you. Times change and you adapt or get left behind. Screw them.

It actually doesn’t matter how much you or other elites look down on and despise a group of disposessed young men who think they don’t have a future. It doesn’t matter how much you scorn them, how much better you believe you are than them. All you are doing with your derision and scorn is hardening the group, building it up, making it stronger.

And once you create that group, everyone experiences the consequences, because societies that have large groups of disaffected young men who feel they have nothing to lose will suffer. And make no mistake, you and other DCUM Democrats created that group as much as the wealthy Republicans did. Your scorn and derision after your support of policies that hollowed out their opportunities is just making that group stronger, little by little.

Im a lefty liberal, and I totally agree with you. It's shameful how the Dems have left labor behind. All those MAGAs used to be Democrats. The scorn and derision heaped on working class families by Democrats (starting with Hillary) is despicable. Democrats' insistence that all Democrats embrace the entire Democratic agenda is the opposite of inclusive. I'm ashamed to be a Democrat, ashamed of my party's failure to read the room and see what Trump means to MAGAs. This has to change, and it has to change now, before our democracy is lost to the fascist oligarchs.

How exactly did the democrats leave labor behind? This has been stated time and time again with zero facts to back up the statement.

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Anonymous wrote:These people are living in a bubble. They only consume information that supports their beliefs. No facts can sway them. Sadly they represent large communities so the bubble is very large. In this bubble, Trump is smart, tariffs are good, firing Government workers is OK, and Putin is favored over their own fellow Americans, who are Democrats.

Nothing can burst their bubble as it is so comfortable to have a community that agrees with all of your views. It does not challenge you.

You got things flipped

The bubble is the inside the beltway crowd and the McLean/bethesda urban elites

The servants are revolting and they can’t figure out what is going on

But the McLean/Bethesda "urban elites" aren't the ones who will suffer.

I’m not the PP but my God the DCUM bubble is strong.

You do not understand. The jobless, underemployed working class men of all races who voted Trump into office are already suffering. They were suffering under Biden. They suffered under Trump v1. They suffered under Obama.

They’ve reached the “smash it all up stage” because they do not have any hope. And of course McLean/Bethesda elites suffer if the stock market is destroyed. How could they not? They’ll lose value in their market holdings.

My guess is that if you polled that group, Trump’s favorability ratings under the tariffs have gone up, not down. What do they care if the stock market is destroyed? Their lives are already miserable.

DCUM Democrats struggle to understand that Trump represents a class struggle moment, in which DCUM Democrats are seen as the bad guys.

Maybe these men wouldn’t have needed up in this situation if they had gotten a damn education or been willing to relocate for a job. Instead they were the types who goofed off in high school and made fun of people who studied hard. No one owes you a well paying job in the small town you grew up in. Smart people know you get an education and move to where the opportunity is. It’s the ultimate entitlement to think someone should bring opportunities to you. Times change and you adapt or get left behind. Screw them.

It actually doesn’t matter how much you or other elites look down on and despise a group of disposessed young men who think they don’t have a future. It doesn’t matter how much you scorn them, how much better you believe you are than them. All you are doing with your derision and scorn is hardening the group, building it up, making it stronger.

And once you create that group, everyone experiences the consequences, because societies that have large groups of disaffected young men who feel they have nothing to lose will suffer. And make no mistake, you and other DCUM Democrats created that group as much as the wealthy Republicans did. Your scorn and derision after your support of policies that hollowed out their opportunities is just making that group stronger, little by little.

Im a lefty liberal, and I totally agree with you. It's shameful how the Dems have left labor behind. All those MAGAs used to be Democrats. The scorn and derision heaped on working class families by Democrats (starting with Hillary) is despicable. Democrats' insistence that all Democrats embrace the entire Democratic agenda is the opposite of inclusive. I'm ashamed to be a Democrat, ashamed of my party's failure to read the room and see what Trump means to MAGAs. This has to change, and it has to change now, before our democracy is lost to the fascist oligarchs.

How exactly did the democrats leave labor behind? This has been stated time and time again with zero facts to back up the statement.

Yes, I would also like to see the receipts? Where are these speeches given by Dems condemning the working class?