Enough is enough with the redshirting!

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Anonymous wrote:There are two ten year olds in my child’s third grade class. When will a school draw a line with this?

In practical terms, how does this impact you?

I'm not someone who redshirted BTW.

In practical terms, my kids school offers advanced math and ELA to the top 25% of the grade. And that group is like, every single red shirted kid plus maybe 10 others. (Not NP). My kid is fine and is in the advanced group anyways, but you shouldn’t take an advanced spot away from a child if you were made to repeat K or held back from K voluntarily. You’re not an advanced and gifted learner you’re just supposed to be in the next grade up.

But they are doing the same academics as the other kids. They haven’t had an extra year of learning just an extra year of playing in preschool.

Because developmentally it’s a lot easier for a kid a year older especially in the elementary years. You understand that right? If you’re telling yourself they are gifted consider that. They probably aren’t.

But if you push your 4 yr old into kindergarten and they aren’t gifted you surely tell them it’s just their age, right? Let the excuses begin.

It’s not “pushing in”‘it’s sending them on time based on their birth date.

But you didn’t have to. You could have waited a year if being the youngest was going to be so upsetting. Others made different choices, the 4yr old kindergartener is there because of his parents decision to send him that young. Don’t do that then cry about how much easier the other kids have it.

And what about the April, May, early June birthdays that have 10 year olds in their 3rd grade class. I’m the OP. I think it’s completely reasonable to send a June 1 birthday. We didn’t know he would be the youngest. June seems reasonable to send. But he’s still 18 months+ younger than some peers.

At my kid’s private school there are no 10 yr old 3rd graders in his class. If this is a common problem at your private school find a school that better aligns with your values.

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Anonymous wrote:Sure you can do it but why do you want a way older kid in the grade? It’s just annoying

A ten year old doesn’t make sense. Redshirting gets you to 9 years old not 10 unless they are ten for like, a week in June or something.

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A 10yo 3rd grader is not even redshirting- it is well beyond that. Nearly all redshirted 3rd graders would be 9 for the whole school year (unless possibly they have a May-June birthday or something).

Are you sure these kids do not have other special needs or circumstances? Or had to repeat K, maybe? I do know a family whose child is one year behind in school (so he would’ve turned 10 in Jan of 3rd grade) - but that is because he had cancer when he was preschool/K age and they started him a year late in the first place.

Pretty sure I do not know any other kids who turned 10 during the school year in 3rd grade- and we know a lot who were redshirted.

At Gilman (har har!) they have a pre first grade that a lot of the younger boys do after K. I know a boy in 4th grade there who is turning 11 within the next 1-2 months. So that child turned 10 mid way through 3rd.

A pre first grade is the same as a pre junior K and still just adding one year making them 9 not 10.

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Anonymous wrote:The current third grade cohort is tough. A lot of kids who should be in 4th, but either had such a terrible virtual kindergarten experience that their parents retained them, or they were redshirtted to avoid virtual school entirely.

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Strange how it seems so many of you don’t understand how cutoff dates are arbitrary. There will always be someone on the edge of the cutoff who will either be the oldest or the youngest. Whining about how it’s not fair serves no purpose and doesn’t even make logical sense.

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Anonymous wrote:There are two ten year olds in my child’s third grade class. When will a school draw a line with this?

In practical terms, how does this impact you?

I'm not someone who redshirted BTW.

In practical terms, my kids school offers advanced math and ELA to the top 25% of the grade. And that group is like, every single red shirted kid plus maybe 10 others. (Not NP). My kid is fine and is in the advanced group anyways, but you shouldn’t take an advanced spot away from a child if you were made to repeat K or held back from K voluntarily. You’re not an advanced and gifted learner you’re just supposed to be in the next grade up.

But they are doing the same academics as the other kids. They haven’t had an extra year of learning just an extra year of playing in preschool.

Because developmentally it’s a lot easier for a kid a year older especially in the elementary years. You understand that right? If you’re telling yourself they are gifted consider that. They probably aren’t.

But if you push your 4 yr old into kindergarten and they aren’t gifted you surely tell them it’s just their age, right? Let the excuses begin.

It’s not “pushing in”‘it’s sending them on time based on their birth date.

But you didn’t have to. You could have waited a year if being the youngest was going to be so upsetting. Others made different choices, the 4yr old kindergartener is there because of his parents decision to send him that young. Don’t do that then cry about how much easier the other kids have it.

And what about the April, May, early June birthdays that have 10 year olds in their 3rd grade class. I’m the OP. I think it’s completely reasonable to send a June 1 birthday. We didn’t know he would be the youngest. June seems reasonable to send. But he’s still 18 months+ younger than some peers.

At my kid’s private school there are no 10 yr old 3rd graders in his class. If this is a common problem at your private school find a school that better aligns with your values.

Yes this is just such an unusual issue that goes well beyond redshirting. Find a new school.

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Anonymous wrote:Two of my neighbors have kids in third grade. One repeated K because of terrible virtual K in 2020-2021, the other went on time in fall 2021. So you have a kid with a September 2014 birthday in the same class as a June 2016 birthday. That age spread is wild to me.

I get it, Covid virtual school was a mess. I'm glad I wasn't faced with that decision. But I can't imagine how challenges it has been for teachers the past few years to manage this unexpectedly large cohort of 3rd graders with a significant age spread.

FWIW, I kind of get a kick out of the two moms because they're always complaining about the other kids. Mom of older kid complains about how immature the younger 3rd graders are and how its holding her child back. Meanwhile, mom of younger complains about the older 3rd graders being feral hobgoblins who suck up all the teacher's attention.

You don’t have a leg to stand on if you hold back your September birthday! Assuming this is an Aug 31 cutoff. You can’t complain kids are immature if you redshirt a fall birthday. That’s outrageous

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Anonymous wrote:Two of my neighbors have kids in third grade. One repeated K because of terrible virtual K in 2020-2021, the other went on time in fall 2021. So you have a kid with a September 2014 birthday in the same class as a June 2016 birthday. That age spread is wild to me.

I get it, Covid virtual school was a mess. I'm glad I wasn't faced with that decision. But I can't imagine how challenges it has been for teachers the past few years to manage this unexpectedly large cohort of 3rd graders with a significant age spread.

FWIW, I kind of get a kick out of the two moms because they're always complaining about the other kids. Mom of older kid complains about how immature the younger 3rd graders are and how its holding her child back. Meanwhile, mom of younger complains about the older 3rd graders being feral hobgoblins who suck up all the teacher's attention.

I have a September 2014 birthday kid and an August 2016 birthday kid. I can't imagine the two of them being in the same class.

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Anonymous wrote:Two of my neighbors have kids in third grade. One repeated K because of terrible virtual K in 2020-2021, the other went on time in fall 2021. So you have a kid with a September 2014 birthday in the same class as a June 2016 birthday. That age spread is wild to me.

I get it, Covid virtual school was a mess. I'm glad I wasn't faced with that decision. But I can't imagine how challenges it has been for teachers the past few years to manage this unexpectedly large cohort of 3rd graders with a significant age spread.

FWIW, I kind of get a kick out of the two moms because they're always complaining about the other kids. Mom of older kid complains about how immature the younger 3rd graders are and how its holding her child back. Meanwhile, mom of younger complains about the older 3rd graders being feral hobgoblins who suck up all the teacher's attention.

You don’t have a leg to stand on if you hold back your September birthday! Assuming this is an Aug 31 cutoff. You can’t complain kids are immature if you redshirt a fall birthday. That’s outrageous

I know a lot of September redshirts - cut off where they live is oct 1.

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Anonymous wrote:Strange how it seems so many of you don’t understand how cutoff dates are arbitrary. There will always be someone on the edge of the cutoff who will either be the oldest or the youngest. Whining about how it’s not fair serves no purpose and doesn’t even make logical sense.

Maybe you would feel different if your own kid was having issues that were caused by people holding their kids back. If your kid can start but you hold back then you are gaming the system in order to benefit your own child at the expense of parents who didn’t play games like that. That is inherently unfair.

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Anonymous wrote:Strange how it seems so many of you don’t understand how cutoff dates are arbitrary. There will always be someone on the edge of the cutoff who will either be the oldest or the youngest. Whining about how it’s not fair serves no purpose and doesn’t even make logical sense.

Maybe you would feel different if your own kid was having issues that were caused by people holding their kids back. If your kid can start but you hold back then you are gaming the system in order to benefit your own child at the expense of parents who didn’t play games like that. That is inherently unfair.

And maybe you would feel different if your kid was having issues that cause you to hold back, issues that aren’t obvious and are private not shared with the other parents.

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I have a Covid K kid. The year was a waste.

I enrolled her in 1st grade anyway figuring she would catch up.

She did.

I figure those that redshirted wanted to anyway and were just looking for an acceptable social excuse.

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Anonymous wrote:Strange how it seems so many of you don’t understand how cutoff dates are arbitrary. There will always be someone on the edge of the cutoff who will either be the oldest or the youngest. Whining about how it’s not fair serves no purpose and doesn’t even make logical sense.

Maybe you would feel different if your own kid was having issues that were caused by people holding their kids back. If your kid can start but you hold back then you are gaming the system in order to benefit your own child at the expense of parents who didn’t play games like that. That is inherently unfair.

DP and parent of two kids who could have easily been redshirted. I don't feel like my kids are disadvantaged at all (and I have one with an older-in-the-year birthday too, so I know both sides). There will be a few hiccups along the way, but that's literally always going to be the case for one reason or another. Make your decision based on your kid, own your decision, move on. Yelling endlessly about things not being fair benefits neither you nor your kid.

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Anonymous wrote:There are two ten year olds in my child’s third grade class. When will a school draw a line with this?

So they'd have Oct-Dec birthday in 2014? That's 11-9 months older than the oldest regular 3rd grader. My son had one in his class, the kid was fine except a little better at sports/leadership esp during recess, which was the daily social life of DS. But I think if they misbehave, they'd misbehave even without being redshirted.

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Anonymous wrote:Two of my neighbors have kids in third grade. One repeated K because of terrible virtual K in 2020-2021, the other went on time in fall 2021. So you have a kid with a September 2014 birthday in the same class as a June 2016 birthday. That age spread is wild to me.

I get it, Covid virtual school was a mess. I'm glad I wasn't faced with that decision. But I can't imagine how challenges it has been for teachers the past few years to manage this unexpectedly large cohort of 3rd graders with a significant age spread.

FWIW, I kind of get a kick out of the two moms because they're always complaining about the other kids. Mom of older kid complains about how immature the younger 3rd graders are and how its holding her child back. Meanwhile, mom of younger complains about the older 3rd graders being feral hobgoblins who suck up all the teacher's attention.

You don’t have a leg to stand on if you hold back your September birthday! Assuming this is an Aug 31 cutoff. You can’t complain kids are immature if you redshirt a fall birthday. That’s outrageous

I know a lot of September redshirts - cut off where they live is oct 1.

You realize that’s very different right?
I said an Aug 31 birthday is outrageous. She mentioned the kid was Sep 2014 in the 3rd grade. Redshirting a birthday a month before the cutoff is very different than redshirting a child a month after the cut off. One to two months before the cut off is a normal red shirt practice.

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Anonymous wrote:There are two ten year olds in my child’s third grade class. When will a school draw a line with this?

So they'd have Oct-Dec birthday in 2014? That's 11-9 months older than the oldest regular 3rd grader. My son had one in his class, the kid was fine except a little better at sports/leadership esp during recess, which was the daily social life of DS. But I think if they misbehave, they'd misbehave even without being redshirted.

Yes. This is OP. We expected summer redshirts but we did not expect this. It’s gotten so out of hand.