Enough is enough with the redshirting!

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Anonymous wrote:Also unsafe for adults to be tackling kids in HS football

So you’re kicking off seniors with October birthdays even if they’re sent on time? They’re adults after all.

I love that now the people pathetically arguing about redshirting have also decided they are experts on high school football. As if they would ever let their kids play football or have ever seen a game themselves.

you’re so weird
we have season tickets to college football

Yet you think "adults" can't play in HS. Weirdo.

I think 20 is different than 18 especially for sports and coaches would agree

If you knew anything about football you would know there are already rules around this.

Most locations ban high school players from football at age 19.

Not exactly. It's like 19 or younger before the cutoff date. 19 yr olds can play.

And it’s governed by the state and there are lots of workarounds and appeals

Sounds like, again, people hate others playing by the rules. Nobody is being sneaky or underhanded.

oh you’re right. nothing sneaky or underhanded.. are you really trying to say some people don’t redshirt in the ES, MS or HS years for a sports advantage ??? You really believe that?

I think the sports advantage issue tracks very specifically to boys, and studies suggest boys benefit more than girls from redshirting. So while I think this probably happens, I am not losing sleep over it because the odds are that was the better decision for the child anyway, even if his parents made it for the “wrong” reason.

I just generally don’t care to control the decisions parents make for their kids, within the rules.

that’s great you’re not losing sleep over it but you’re an idiot if you don’t think it impacts younger athletes competing with someone with a large age advantage

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Anonymous wrote:Also unsafe for adults to be tackling kids in HS football

So you’re kicking off seniors with October birthdays even if they’re sent on time? They’re adults after all.

I love that now the people pathetically arguing about redshirting have also decided they are experts on high school football. As if they would ever let their kids play football or have ever seen a game themselves.

you’re so weird
we have season tickets to college football

Yet you think "adults" can't play in HS. Weirdo.

I think 20 is different than 18 especially for sports and coaches would agree

If you knew anything about football you would know there are already rules around this.

Most locations ban high school players from football at age 19.

Not exactly. It's like 19 or younger before the cutoff date. 19 yr olds can play.

And it’s governed by the state and there are lots of workarounds and appeals

Sounds like, again, people hate others playing by the rules. Nobody is being sneaky or underhanded.

oh you’re right. nothing sneaky or underhanded.. are you really trying to say some people don’t redshirt in the ES, MS or HS years for a sports advantage ??? You really believe that?

I think the sports advantage issue tracks very specifically to boys, and studies suggest boys benefit more than girls from redshirting. So while I think this probably happens, I am not losing sleep over it because the odds are that was the better decision for the child anyway, even if his parents made it for the “wrong” reason.

I just generally don’t care to control the decisions parents make for their kids, within the rules.

that’s great you’re not losing sleep over it but you’re an idiot if you don’t think it impacts younger athletes competing with someone with a large age advantage

Perhaps the fact that I don’t think sports competitiveness should be a reason to constrain school decisions of parents is why I’m not, in fact, an idiot.
Food for thought.

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Anonymous wrote:Also unsafe for adults to be tackling kids in HS football

So you’re kicking off seniors with October birthdays even if they’re sent on time? They’re adults after all.

I love that now the people pathetically arguing about redshirting have also decided they are experts on high school football. As if they would ever let their kids play football or have ever seen a game themselves.

you’re so weird
we have season tickets to college football

Yet you think "adults" can't play in HS. Weirdo.

I think 20 is different than 18 especially for sports and coaches would agree

If you knew anything about football you would know there are already rules around this.

Most locations ban high school players from football at age 19.

Not exactly. It's like 19 or younger before the cutoff date. 19 yr olds can play.

And it’s governed by the state and there are lots of workarounds and appeals

Sounds like, again, people hate others playing by the rules. Nobody is being sneaky or underhanded.

oh you’re right. nothing sneaky or underhanded.. are you really trying to say some people don’t redshirt in the ES, MS or HS years for a sports advantage ??? You really believe that?

The rules allow it, dumbass. I don’t plan in doing it and don’t cate if others do.

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Anonymous wrote:Also unsafe for adults to be tackling kids in HS football

So you’re kicking off seniors with October birthdays even if they’re sent on time? They’re adults after all.

I love that now the people pathetically arguing about redshirting have also decided they are experts on high school football. As if they would ever let their kids play football or have ever seen a game themselves.

you’re so weird
we have season tickets to college football

Yet you think "adults" can't play in HS. Weirdo.

I think 20 is different than 18 especially for sports and coaches would agree

If you knew anything about football you would know there are already rules around this.

Most locations ban high school players from football at age 19.

Not exactly. It's like 19 or younger before the cutoff date. 19 yr olds can play.

And it’s governed by the state and there are lots of workarounds and appeals

Sounds like, again, people hate others playing by the rules. Nobody is being sneaky or underhanded.

oh you’re right. nothing sneaky or underhanded.. are you really trying to say some people don’t redshirt in the ES, MS or HS years for a sports advantage ??? You really believe that?

I think the sports advantage issue tracks very specifically to boys, and studies suggest boys benefit more than girls from redshirting. So while I think this probably happens, I am not losing sleep over it because the odds are that was the better decision for the child anyway, even if his parents made it for the “wrong” reason.

I just generally don’t care to control the decisions parents make for their kids, within the rules.

that’s great you’re not losing sleep over it but you’re an idiot if you don’t think it impacts younger athletes competing with someone with a large age advantage

So redshirt your kid. Otherwise be content that they aren’t going to go far in their sport. School is more important anyway.

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Anonymous wrote:Also unsafe for adults to be tackling kids in HS football

So you’re kicking off seniors with October birthdays even if they’re sent on time? They’re adults after all.

I love that now the people pathetically arguing about redshirting have also decided they are experts on high school football. As if they would ever let their kids play football or have ever seen a game themselves.

you’re so weird
we have season tickets to college football

Yet you think "adults" can't play in HS. Weirdo.

I think 20 is different than 18 especially for sports and coaches would agree

If you knew anything about football you would know there are already rules around this.

Most locations ban high school players from football at age 19.

Not exactly. It's like 19 or younger before the cutoff date. 19 yr olds can play.

And it’s governed by the state and there are lots of workarounds and appeals

Sounds like, again, people hate others playing by the rules. Nobody is being sneaky or underhanded.

Regarding football specifically, people are definitely being sneaky or underhanded. Kids who play football at a high level and get recruited by college teams wind up in all kinds of wild schemes to improve their chances. People have falsified birth certificates, found unscrupulous doctors to diagnose non-existent disabilities to be held back, switched schools multiple times in order to redshirt multiple years, etc. I wouldn't say this is the majority or even a substantial minority of football families but it happens and not infrequently. The looser and more flexible the rules are, the more it happens, which is an argument in favor of tightening up the rules to prevent it even if this limits the options of people who aren't being sneak or underhanded.

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Anonymous wrote:Also unsafe for adults to be tackling kids in HS football

Adults are always on football teams because even non redshirted kids will turn 18 senior year.

We are trying to explain to you that that is not true.

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Anonymous wrote:Also unsafe for adults to be tackling kids in HS football

So you’re kicking off seniors with October birthdays even if they’re sent on time? They’re adults after all.

I love that now the people pathetically arguing about redshirting have also decided they are experts on high school football. As if they would ever let their kids play football or have ever seen a game themselves.

you’re so weird
we have season tickets to college football

Yet you think "adults" can't play in HS. Weirdo.

I think 20 is different than 18 especially for sports and coaches would agree

If you knew anything about football you would know there are already rules around this.

Most locations ban high school players from football at age 19.

Not exactly. It's like 19 or younger before the cutoff date. 19 yr olds can play.

And it’s governed by the state and there are lots of workarounds and appeals

Sounds like, again, people hate others playing by the rules. Nobody is being sneaky or underhanded.

Regarding football specifically, people are definitely being sneaky or underhanded. Kids who play football at a high level and get recruited by college teams wind up in all kinds of wild schemes to improve their chances. People have falsified birth certificates, found unscrupulous doctors to diagnose non-existent disabilities to be held back, switched schools multiple times in order to redshirt multiple years, etc. I wouldn't say this is the majority or even a substantial minority of football families but it happens and not infrequently. The looser and more flexible the rules are, the more it happens, which is an argument in favor of tightening up the rules to prevent it even if this limits the options of people who aren't being sneak or underhanded.

Only false birth certificates is wrong. So what if a quarterback jumps around to get more play time? I know a kid who did just that and is now recruited to a top football school. He and his family knew what they were doing. How is this different than people lying about their address to attend a school they aren’t zoned for? There’s a lot more of that going on and little appetite to fix it.

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Anonymous wrote:Also unsafe for adults to be tackling kids in HS football

So you’re kicking off seniors with October birthdays even if they’re sent on time? They’re adults after all.

I love that now the people pathetically arguing about redshirting have also decided they are experts on high school football. As if they would ever let their kids play football or have ever seen a game themselves.

you’re so weird
we have season tickets to college football

Yet you think "adults" can't play in HS. Weirdo.

I think 20 is different than 18 especially for sports and coaches would agree

If you knew anything about football you would know there are already rules around this.

Most locations ban high school players from football at age 19.

Not exactly. It's like 19 or younger before the cutoff date. 19 yr olds can play.

And it’s governed by the state and there are lots of workarounds and appeals

Sounds like, again, people hate others playing by the rules. Nobody is being sneaky or underhanded.

Regarding football specifically, people are definitely being sneaky or underhanded. Kids who play football at a high level and get recruited by college teams wind up in all kinds of wild schemes to improve their chances. People have falsified birth certificates, found unscrupulous doctors to diagnose non-existent disabilities to be held back, switched schools multiple times in order to redshirt multiple years, etc. I wouldn't say this is the majority or even a substantial minority of football families but it happens and not infrequently. The looser and more flexible the rules are, the more it happens, which is an argument in favor of tightening up the rules to prevent it even if this limits the options of people who aren't being sneak or underhanded.

Only false birth certificates is wrong. So what if a quarterback jumps around to get more play time? I know a kid who did just that and is now recruited to a top football school. He and his family knew what they were doing. How is this different than people lying about their address to attend a school they aren’t zoned for? There’s a lot more of that going on and little appetite to fix it.

Because families that don’t manipulate the rules should be able to compete fairly for those spots at top schools. We should support people who compete fairly on the field based on skill over people who use age advantage schemes.

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Anonymous wrote:Also unsafe for adults to be tackling kids in HS football

So you’re kicking off seniors with October birthdays even if they’re sent on time? They’re adults after all.

I love that now the people pathetically arguing about redshirting have also decided they are experts on high school football. As if they would ever let their kids play football or have ever seen a game themselves.

you’re so weird
we have season tickets to college football

Yet you think "adults" can't play in HS. Weirdo.

I think 20 is different than 18 especially for sports and coaches would agree

If you knew anything about football you would know there are already rules around this.

Most locations ban high school players from football at age 19.

Not exactly. It's like 19 or younger before the cutoff date. 19 yr olds can play.

And it’s governed by the state and there are lots of workarounds and appeals

Sounds like, again, people hate others playing by the rules. Nobody is being sneaky or underhanded.

Regarding football specifically, people are definitely being sneaky or underhanded. Kids who play football at a high level and get recruited by college teams wind up in all kinds of wild schemes to improve their chances. People have falsified birth certificates, found unscrupulous doctors to diagnose non-existent disabilities to be held back, switched schools multiple times in order to redshirt multiple years, etc. I wouldn't say this is the majority or even a substantial minority of football families but it happens and not infrequently. The looser and more flexible the rules are, the more it happens, which is an argument in favor of tightening up the rules to prevent it even if this limits the options of people who aren't being sneak or underhanded.

Only false birth certificates is wrong. So what if a quarterback jumps around to get more play time? I know a kid who did just that and is now recruited to a top football school. He and his family knew what they were doing. How is this different than people lying about their address to attend a school they aren’t zoned for? There’s a lot more of that going on and little appetite to fix it.

Uh lying about your address to attend a school you aren't zoned for is also wrong. I don't know anyone who thinks that's fine.

Also a football player moving schools to get more playing time is fine -- that's up to his family if they want to jump through the hoops to make that happen. I'm talking about families that move schools to redshirt their kids multiple times. So moving to a new school so their kid can repeat 6th and then moving again to repeat 9th, so that he can be a senior at 20 and boost odds of recruitment. The reason they are moving schools is because the old school won't allow them to repeat the grade.

Though fortunately that's largely an issue with privates, as public schools have rules that prevent that kind of thing (as well as rules to prevent people over 18 from competing in football). It's not that hard to avoid the kind of private school that allows that sort of behavior. This is one reason why I don't send my kids to sports-obsessed schools -- it leads to all kinds of bad behavior among parents, administrators, and sometimes kids. No thank you.

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Anonymous wrote:Also unsafe for adults to be tackling kids in HS football

So you’re kicking off seniors with October birthdays even if they’re sent on time? They’re adults after all.

I love that now the people pathetically arguing about redshirting have also decided they are experts on high school football. As if they would ever let their kids play football or have ever seen a game themselves.

you’re so weird
we have season tickets to college football

Yet you think "adults" can't play in HS. Weirdo.

I think 20 is different than 18 especially for sports and coaches would agree

If you knew anything about football you would know there are already rules around this.

Most locations ban high school players from football at age 19.

Not exactly. It's like 19 or younger before the cutoff date. 19 yr olds can play.

And it’s governed by the state and there are lots of workarounds and appeals

Sounds like, again, people hate others playing by the rules. Nobody is being sneaky or underhanded.

oh you’re right. nothing sneaky or underhanded.. are you really trying to say some people don’t redshirt in the ES, MS or HS years for a sports advantage ??? You really believe that?

I think the sports advantage issue tracks very specifically to boys, and studies suggest boys benefit more than girls from redshirting. So while I think this probably happens, I am not losing sleep over it because the odds are that was the better decision for the child anyway, even if his parents made it for the “wrong” reason.

I just generally don’t care to control the decisions parents make for their kids, within the rules.

that’s great you’re not losing sleep over it but you’re an idiot if you don’t think it impacts younger athletes competing with someone with a large age advantage

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I am genuinely confused as to how this matters at all in elementary school. None of my kids elementary schools had sports teams, and their outside teams (e.g. Little League) have age cutoffs unrelated to a kid’s grade in school.

For school sports this won’t matter until middle school/high school, and after kids go through puberty any perceived advantage due to age alone will disappear.

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Anonymous wrote:Also unsafe for adults to be tackling kids in HS football

So you’re kicking off seniors with October birthdays even if they’re sent on time? They’re adults after all.

I love that now the people pathetically arguing about redshirting have also decided they are experts on high school football. As if they would ever let their kids play football or have ever seen a game themselves.

you’re so weird
we have season tickets to college football

Yet you think "adults" can't play in HS. Weirdo.

I think 20 is different than 18 especially for sports and coaches would agree

If you knew anything about football you would know there are already rules around this.

Most locations ban high school players from football at age 19.

Not exactly. It's like 19 or younger before the cutoff date. 19 yr olds can play.

And it’s governed by the state and there are lots of workarounds and appeals

Sounds like, again, people hate others playing by the rules. Nobody is being sneaky or underhanded.

Regarding football specifically, people are definitely being sneaky or underhanded. Kids who play football at a high level and get recruited by college teams wind up in all kinds of wild schemes to improve their chances. People have falsified birth certificates, found unscrupulous doctors to diagnose non-existent disabilities to be held back, switched schools multiple times in order to redshirt multiple years, etc. I wouldn't say this is the majority or even a substantial minority of football families but it happens and not infrequently. The looser and more flexible the rules are, the more it happens, which is an argument in favor of tightening up the rules to prevent it even if this limits the options of people who aren't being sneak or underhanded.

Only false birth certificates is wrong. So what if a quarterback jumps around to get more play time? I know a kid who did just that and is now recruited to a top football school. He and his family knew what they were doing. How is this different than people lying about their address to attend a school they aren’t zoned for? There’s a lot more of that going on and little appetite to fix it.

+1 if your kid stands a chance at playing at a big football college and maybe even being drafted into the NFL, you will move heaven and earth for that kid. It comes across as weird or “why would you do that” for a non-football kid, but it’s pretty routine for that sport.

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Anonymous wrote:Also unsafe for adults to be tackling kids in HS football

Adults are always on football teams because even non redshirted kids will turn 18 senior year.

We are trying to explain to you that that is not true.

What’s not true?

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Anonymous wrote:Also unsafe for adults to be tackling kids in HS football

So you’re kicking off seniors with October birthdays even if they’re sent on time? They’re adults after all.

I love that now the people pathetically arguing about redshirting have also decided they are experts on high school football. As if they would ever let their kids play football or have ever seen a game themselves.

you’re so weird
we have season tickets to college football

Yet you think "adults" can't play in HS. Weirdo.

I think 20 is different than 18 especially for sports and coaches would agree

If you knew anything about football you would know there are already rules around this.

Most locations ban high school players from football at age 19.

Not exactly. It's like 19 or younger before the cutoff date. 19 yr olds can play.

And it’s governed by the state and there are lots of workarounds and appeals

Sounds like, again, people hate others playing by the rules. Nobody is being sneaky or underhanded.

Regarding football specifically, people are definitely being sneaky or underhanded. Kids who play football at a high level and get recruited by college teams wind up in all kinds of wild schemes to improve their chances. People have falsified birth certificates, found unscrupulous doctors to diagnose non-existent disabilities to be held back, switched schools multiple times in order to redshirt multiple years, etc. I wouldn't say this is the majority or even a substantial minority of football families but it happens and not infrequently. The looser and more flexible the rules are, the more it happens, which is an argument in favor of tightening up the rules to prevent it even if this limits the options of people who aren't being sneak or underhanded.

Only false birth certificates is wrong. So what if a quarterback jumps around to get more play time? I know a kid who did just that and is now recruited to a top football school. He and his family knew what they were doing. How is this different than people lying about their address to attend a school they aren’t zoned for? There’s a lot more of that going on and little appetite to fix it.

Because families that don’t manipulate the rules should be able to compete fairly for those spots at top schools. We should support people who compete fairly on the field based on skill over people who use age advantage schemes.

You’re advocating for people who already know how to play the game and figure this out.

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Anonymous wrote:Also unsafe for adults to be tackling kids in HS football

Adults are always on football teams because even non redshirted kids will turn 18 senior year.

We are trying to explain to you that that is not true.

It quite literally is.

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Anonymous wrote:Also unsafe for adults to be tackling kids in HS football

So you’re kicking off seniors with October birthdays even if they’re sent on time? They’re adults after all.

I love that now the people pathetically arguing about redshirting have also decided they are experts on high school football. As if they would ever let their kids play football or have ever seen a game themselves.

you’re so weird
we have season tickets to college football

Yet you think "adults" can't play in HS. Weirdo.

I think 20 is different than 18 especially for sports and coaches would agree

If you knew anything about football you would know there are already rules around this.

Most locations ban high school players from football at age 19.

Not exactly. It's like 19 or younger before the cutoff date. 19 yr olds can play.

And it’s governed by the state and there are lots of workarounds and appeals

Sounds like, again, people hate others playing by the rules. Nobody is being sneaky or underhanded.

Regarding football specifically, people are definitely being sneaky or underhanded. Kids who play football at a high level and get recruited by college teams wind up in all kinds of wild schemes to improve their chances. People have falsified birth certificates, found unscrupulous doctors to diagnose non-existent disabilities to be held back, switched schools multiple times in order to redshirt multiple years, etc. I wouldn't say this is the majority or even a substantial minority of football families but it happens and not infrequently. The looser and more flexible the rules are, the more it happens, which is an argument in favor of tightening up the rules to prevent it even if this limits the options of people who aren't being sneak or underhanded.

Only false birth certificates is wrong. So what if a quarterback jumps around to get more play time? I know a kid who did just that and is now recruited to a top football school. He and his family knew what they were doing. How is this different than people lying about their address to attend a school they aren’t zoned for? There’s a lot more of that going on and little appetite to fix it.

Uh lying about your address to attend a school you aren't zoned for is also wrong. I don't know anyone who thinks that's fine.

Also a football player moving schools to get more playing time is fine -- that's up to his family if they want to jump through the hoops to make that happen. I'm talking about families that move schools to redshirt their kids multiple times. So moving to a new school so their kid can repeat 6th and then moving again to repeat 9th, so that he can be a senior at 20 and boost odds of recruitment. The reason they are moving schools is because the old school won't allow them to repeat the grade.

Though fortunately that's largely an issue with privates, as public schools have rules that prevent that kind of thing (as well as rules to prevent people over 18 from competing in football). It's not that hard to avoid the kind of private school that allows that sort of behavior. This is one reason why I don't send my kids to sports-obsessed schools -- it leads to all kinds of bad behavior among parents, administrators, and sometimes kids. No thank you.

I don’t know where you live but this isn’t allowed in my state. You are disqualified from school sports for a year if you are an athlete in one area and then transfer. All sports, not just that one. I think that’s fairly standard.